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Robb Wolf discusses the Paleo diet and health issues

I urge everyone to actually listen to the clip.

Robb Wolf - “I became very ill eating a vegan diet. I had ulcerative colitis, IBS and a host of other problems. I had started eating a vegan diet thinking this was a healthy way of eating. At the time, I was a research biochemist, and someone suggested that my problems might be resolved with the adoption of an ancestral (Paleo) way of eating. Within a few weeks of adopting a Paleo diet, my ulcerative colitis was gone, as were my other health concerns. I’ve been eating this way for 15 years now and have experienced better health than at any previous point in my life. Although the Paleo diet advocates the consumption of animal products, it is a thoughtful way of eating congruent with both ethics and sustainability, and I make this a large part of the education I provide.”



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Deadly Dietary Myths
Premature death is too high a price to pay for bad advice!

by Joel Fuhrman MD
This series of articles is devoted entirely to debunking some of today’s most popular – and potentially most dangerous – diet and nutrition myths. In previous newsletters, and in my book Eat to Live, I have warned readers about adopting fad diets such as The Atkins Diet, The Zone Diet, and Eat For your Blood Type because the scientific data is so clear about the fact that eating more that a few small portions of animal products each week is associated with a host of serious diseases.

Conclusive scientific warnings notwithstanding, people continue to flock to diets like these because a) they reinforce existing bad habits, and b)numerous organizations encourage this behavior. One of the more influential organizations is the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF).
continue article here:
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm

*yawn*

Seriously Davy, you and dinahtab come off as spammers. Someone posts a thread on health and you guys spam the snot out of it with all this McDougall and vegan propaganda. Sorry, but that is not debating and I think you know that...

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calling the kettle black again

and now you're just sooo bored. if i was posting hour long paleo videos like your tag team buddy you'd be all smiles. and now more name calling. a sure sign you're losing confidence in your stance. now down vote me and up vote yourself like you always do. weak.

mcdougall agrees

discussing his elimination diet for IBS, of course meat and dairy along with wheat are often the culprits too. so if dennis reads mcdougall he knows this already.
http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_colitis.html

I'm on that

Pizza, beer, mountain dew, hard liquor, pop-tarts, and waffles, and cigarettes diet. Perfect heart rate no bad cholesterol, and weigh 170lbs. Best. Diet. Ever.

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I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Out of curiousity

How old are you? Just an age range would be fine.

I'm just curious.

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lol

my exact thought. that was my diet, 30 years ago. Youth is the magic ingredient. I found it to be unsustainable, much like Keynesian economics. ;)

Just open the box and see

Same here. We can all eat

Same here. We can all eat like that for some amount of time. Then comes time to pay the bill for it and it can be shocking!

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i have a friend

who eats like that. he calls it the carnival diet, and he seems fairly fit. no ciggies tho.

carnival diet?

Sounds sticky. Am I right?

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hah, i haven't seen him

with cotton candy yet, but garlic fries, donuts, pizza and even slurpies.

i think i've had some influence though since i noticed lately he's eating some fruits and vegetables.

I'm reminded of this song

I'm reminded of this song where she sings that she "likes sticky everywhere"

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yup

and the first cut on sticky fingers is, brown sugar.

Still sounds sticky.

Still sounds sticky. ;-)

That's good on the fruits and veggies.

You might find this interesting.

http://www.coeliacsmatter.com/digestive_conditions_coeliac/g...

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you might find

That's a good link. I think

That's a good link. I think he's underestimating the number of people with gluten issues.

Much more info on the link I posted.

Yeah all that "gluten free" processed crap is still processed crap. I don't mess with any of that stuff.

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she not he

that was written by joel fuhrman's wife. i've read 5% to 10% percent a number of places, but they probably don't know for sure since many have issues and don't know it. i appreciated the list of good grains in the article you posted, although i'm tending to avoid them as well, and we all agree that processed food is the worst. what about all the powders and energy bars and crap i see sold as paleo? is that considered processed? surely no cave man had them. after a good look around dr. fuhrman's eat to live plan makes the most sense for me, but i like to hear about other approaches as long as the messenger isn't all pushy about it.

here is a funny bit by fat man comedian john pinette. i love him, but like other great fat funny men i fear for his health. anyway i believe that maintaining a sense of humor is one of the great gifts for our well being.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDh_cTOive8

"is that considered processed?"

Yes. Same as all the high carb bars and powders are considered processed. Processed is processed. No matter what the label tries to convince you of.

Edit: And keep in mind, I'm not doing the Paleo thing. I eliminated the foods that were problems for me and my diet most closely resembles that one, as far as I know.

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eatng plan

Edit: And keep in mind, I'm not doing the Paleo thing. I eliminated the foods that were problems for me and my diet most closely resembles that one, as far as I know.

makes perfect sense. same here, that is i'm in the process of elimanating. i definitely feel best eating mostly vegetables (cooked and raw) and fruits, and near zero junk food. i love some sockeye salmon when i can find it, so not 100% vegan. curious about beans. fuhrman includes them on his G-BOMBS as slow burning micro nutrients, but hey the guy on the radio interview you started this thread with said that some folks do better with more carbs. so, yep different strokes, but with some common ground too.

B -- Beans

Beans (and other legumes, as well) are a powerhouse of superior nutrition and the most nutrient-dense carbohydrate source. They can act as an anti-diabetes and weight-loss food because they are digested slowly, having a stabilizing effect on blood sugar, which promotes satiety and helps to prevent food cravings. Plus, they contain soluble fiber, which has been shown to lower cholesterol levels.14 Beans are unique foods because of their very high levels of fiber and resistant starch, carbohydrates that are not broken down by digestive enzymes. Fiber and resistant starch not only reduce total the number of calories absorbed from beans but are also fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids that can help to prevent colon cancer.15 Eating beans, peas or lentils at least twice a week has been found to decrease colon cancer risk by 50 percent.16 Legume intake can also provide protection against oral, larynx, pharynx, stomach and kidney cancers.17

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joel-fuhrman-md/gombbs_b_99635...

Edit: And keep in mind, I'm

re: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joel-fuhrman-md/gombbs_b_99635...

B -- Beans

Beans (and other legumes, as well) are a powerhouse of superior nutrition and the most nutrient-dense carbohydrate source.

Speaking of nutrietn-dense...

They can act as an anti-diabetes and weight-loss food because they are digested slowly, having a stabilizing effect on blood sugar, which promotes satiety and helps to prevent food cravings. Plus, they contain soluble fiber, which has been shown to lower cholesterol levels.14

I think the only thing cholesterol levels indicate is a statin deficiency.

Beans are unique foods because of their very high levels of fiber and resistant starch, carbohydrates that are not broken down by digestive enzymes. Fiber and resistant starch not only reduce total the number of calories absorbed from beans but are also fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids that can help to prevent colon cancer.

Fatty acids also available from animal fat. "Resistant starch" doesn't mean very much. Best to simply measure oneself: http://www.bloodsugar101.com/

As Wolf said though, some

As Wolf said though, some people's intestinal lining is sensitive to a compound in legumes. I seem to do better without them.

And yes, the Paleo type of diets and vegan are more similar than they are different. Some people can't handle grains and legumes and some can't handle meat, fish etc.

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http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/08

http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/08/13/ancestral-health-symposium/

Now let’s compare that “avoid” list with what Kurt Harris refers to as the three neolithic agents of disease—the modern nasties driving many of our health woes:

  • Excess fructose
  • Excess linoleic acid (typically from high-omega-6 oils like soybean oil)
  • Wheat or gluten

Ancestral or “paleo” diets specifically eliminate all three. Incidentally, the near-vegan diets with a track record for fighting disease eliminate the first two. And in many cases, they inadvertently slash wheat intake by promoting a more diverse spectrum of grains, tubers, and legumes than the average person on an industrialized diet consumes (in which grain products are overwhelmingly wheat-based).

Who cares.

Posts like this seem like an attempt to coerce others into changing their behavior, diet in this case.

I'm sure there are plenty of vegans who aren't ill from anything.
Like a previous poster stated, not every human is the same.

furthermore, most vegans chose not to consume animal products for the animals, not for their health. They are free to do so.

This post is to inform those interested, not coerce anyone.

If you don't care about the info, why bother to comment??

Clearly you didn't listen to the clip.

The clip has to do with health issues, not religious or moral beliefs. If vegans don't want to consume meat due to moral issues, or because of their religion, that's wonderful. This post has nothing to do with that. And if the vegan diet works well for someone health wise, that's wonderful too. This post is for those suffering from health issues due to grain and dairy intolerance.

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I did listen to the clip

but I didn't read all the comments here before I posted.

"was never intended to generate any of this "my diet is better than your diet" stuff. Simply an FYI for those it might help. And I agree completely that what works for some people may not work for others."

Had I read this before, I probably wouldn't have posted.

In the clip, he suggests that

In the clip, he suggests that those with health issues try different diets, doing each for 30 days and seeing how they feel. Paleo, vegan, vegetarian, etc. So he feels that many would do well going Paleo, but said if you find a diet that makes you feel better than that one, then all the better. The idea is for each individual to figure out what works for them.

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I think people here are forgetting

I see a ton of posts saying this way is better than that way, going back and forth ad naseum. But there is something you all are forgetting. Humans are not clones of each other. Every single person is unique. Their bodies work in different ways, their metabolisms go at different rates and what they can metabolize efficiently varies greatly. In short, there is no "one size fits all" diet. One person might benefit tremendously from a vegan diet, and another might be harmed, and the same goes for the paleo diet.

My diet is atrocious by many people's standards, and yet I am perfectly healthy. I eat fast food every day, burgers, lots of chicken, fries, steak, rice, pizza, not to mention all sorts of sugary items. I barely eat any vegetables aside from potatoes, pizza sauce and whatever is inside of an egg roll. But my blood work shows all my nutritional levels to be perfect, and I can barely even seem to add weight (about 133lbs now). Given my sucsess, would I recommend this diet to everyone? Of course not! My body has been specially adapted to this eating style, and most people would wind up seriously overweight and unhealthy. So maybe we should all cool down all this "my diet is best" talk and try "this is the diet that worked for me" instead.