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Manchin-Toomey GunBan WORSE than Feinstein's! Limit FIVE Guns Per Yr, Perpetual Record!

Senate Fine Print: 5 guns per year, all sales through FFLs, perpetual records

We apologize for the diversions into gun politics lately. Not our bailiwick, others do it better and the NRA is going to be all over this like ugly on an ape, but there are some really insidious things in the Manchin-Toomey deal just struck.

The deal includes permanent retention of records (a step closer to the ATF’s long-lusted national registration scheme), a requirement that all private transfers except inter-family ones go to FFLs and have a 4473 executed (not sure if the gun must also be entered in the Bound Book — most likely that is left to ATF whim and whimsy), and, most alarmingly, a five-gun-per-year limit on internet sales. (Again, it’s not clear if this affects buyers, sellers, both, or is one other thing left to the political appointees at ATF).

Why is the deal so bad, when Manchin (D) faces reelection in gun-happy WV, while Toomey faces reelection in Pennsylvania, where outside of the Philly metro area the 1st day of hunting season is practically a state holiday? Because Manchin is not his own man. He had to take the deal to his Great White Father in New York, Chuck Schumer, who rewrote it for him. Toomey, perhaps trying to reduce the bollocking he’ll inevitably get from Philadelphia’s two Democratic newspapers, basically challenged the NRA to correct his undeserved A rating by signing on. (Manchin, never a friend to gun owners, also holds an undeserved A). They expect the NRA to roll over. Says (thoroughly anti-gun) Politico:

Schumer negotiated several changes to the initial Manchin-Toomey proposal, including striking language from the agreement allowing concealed permit holders to carry their weapons in other states, and limiting Internet sales to five guns per year. He also worked to make sure there is a 72-hour window for performing background checks except for gun-show sales, which will be cleared in 48 hours initially.

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Original POLITICO article:

Senators Manchin, Toomey unveil deal on background checks

By: John Bresnahan and Dan Berman and Reid J. Epstein
April 10, 2013 08:29 AM EDT

Sens. Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey unveiled a bipartisan deal to expand background checks for commercial gun purchases — including those at gun shows and online — Wednesday morning, opening a pathway for the biggest change in U.S. gun laws in nearly two decades.

The two lawmakers said the tragic shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in mid-December, which left 20 young children dead, had changed the debate around guns and gun ownership, and convinced them some new gun control measures were warranted.

“I have to tell you candidly that I don’t consider criminal background checks to be gun control,” said Toomey, who has a lifetime “A” rating from the powerful National Rifle Association. “I think it’s just common sense.”

Toomey said he and Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) will back the measure, but he would not predict whether other Republicans would back it as well.



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"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Clearly the tyranny of the

Clearly the tyranny of the majority is driving political decision making in Washington (no difference than before, really)...

Speaking of 'the majority'

if Boehner, Reid's backstop, brings this bill to a vote in the House, I'd say all bets are off. Every 'man' for himself.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Gun Owners now feel the oppression gay people feel

This is the DOMA against gun owners. An area of governance where the federal government should have no say and no opinion the feds instead crush the liberties of individuals and the rights of states to ensure freedom. It's not tyranny of the majority, it's tyranny of the elitists, tyranny of the government against the people--a government which tries to rule us when it is supposed to serve us.

My frequent challenge as a libertarian is that I'll support a pro-gay marriage liberal over a conservative, and support a pro-gun conservative over a liberal.

Issues like this, where legislators cross the aisle, make it easy. Show me an anti-gay, anti-gun Democrat or Republican and I know he or she is unambiguously an evil tyrant.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

EVERY Traitorous gungrabber who votes for this will be

committing political suicide. Period.

So why are they doing this, outside of their spineless, politically expedient bribe-prone selves? Who is ensuring them that they can do this and get away with it? A simple quid pro quo campaign funding from Gloomberg et al? Or more than meets the eye??

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

They do it because they think the endgame is near

Either they back soon-to-be crowned Chancellor for Life in all his schemes, or they dig their own graves when the purge happens.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

You may be right. I feel the

You may be right. I feel the future of America is vanishing right in front of us, despite our best efforts. My ability to even imagine an America 10 or 20 years hence diminishes at the mere mention of every new incursion against us by the unthinking lawmakers.

well,

bring on the Nuremberg 2.0!!!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul