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How far are we willing to legalize drugs?

Dr. Paul advocates ending the war on drugs. Let's say the war on drugs ends tomorrow and all states legalize all drugs.

Do members believe these business enterprises that pop up should be able to buy billboards or air time stating, "Buy the most pure heroin at ___" ? What about marketing that entices younger adults (18 or 19) to use drugs? Should this be legal? Should the market weed these companies out? Or do you feel governments should intervene and prevent advertisements to the public?

I have my own ideas, what are yours?



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Yes, advertise to their heart's

content...tastefully. Doesn't mean I have to buy it.

McDonalds, Burger King, Hardees, et al advertise extensively (the Hardees commercials are disgusting - not tasteful at all) and according to the Superbrochure I just received yesterday, the number 1 killer of Americans is heart disease.

I choose not to eat at those places because the food is unhealthy (and I wouldn't give Hardees one thin dime if I was starving to death).

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i believe the market will correct itself

At first there will be a huge public out-cry. People will at first continue to demonize it and want to keep it as how they've seen it while illegal, out of sight. But at the same time it will be a huge economic boom. Depending on the types of people who decide to market it it will vary. Over time though the use of it will drop and marketing will drop significantly. Eventually becoming just an everyday thing and people will look at it like alcohol.

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No offense, but how is this

No offense, but how is this even a question on a liberty site? If you are still struggling with reconciling this question, you're still at square one.

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Some people

on here are libertarians, others are constitutionalists, while some are anarchists. I just want to hear individuals' opinions concerning the subject.

Like I said in the post, I have my own opinions. I didn't state my opinions, so how you can extrapolate that I am struggling with an issue, I don't know. Read more carefully before you comment please.

i think the

marketing to minors might still be an issue worthy of discussion. Part of a legal contract is being able to grasp the brevity of its stipulations and consequences. Can a kid grasp addiction?

Legalization is a lot like

Legalization is a lot like the immigration issue. I don't care who smokes what. I've been known to take a puff or two myself. But subsidizing the smoking or snorting or whatever people are doing through welfare programs is unconscionable. When people are faced with the very real possibility of starvation when they act irresponsibly, they will either starve or in most cases I think, become responsible. End wealth redistribution and you will dramatically decrease demand for drugs of all kinds. Even the cool ones. Advertisement will be much less of an issue in such a world, I think.

Drugs don't need to be legaized..

They need to be decriminalized.

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Its already legal according

Its already legal according to natural law. Im just hoping we can stop the illegal armed thugs from putting people into cages for what they choose to put into their own bodies.

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I nominate yours as best post of the thread

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The act of buying, selling,

The act of buying, selling, or using drugs does not infringe upon any one else's life liberty or property so I support legal availability of any/all drugs to those that want them.

Can you imagine the amount of

Can you imagine the amount of public outcry that would happen if billboards like that went up? It's the same reason you only see sex shop billboards in more obscure parts of the highway. People don't want to see that shit.

So what?

Who cares what the sheep think? Media created sheeple cry about every non-pc thing, so what, let 'em cry.

My point is they probably

My point is they probably wouldn't last very long if they're built because people wouldn't approve of them.

Even if there were ads for heroin

the transparency in public conversation would be beneficial in reducing its use by making it more addressable as a public health problem.

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If you've ever known someone damaged by illegal drugs, I almost guarantee you there was some kind of delay in them seeking help or getting the right kind of help because they didn't want to admit the drug use to the medical people. How much of that was fear of the legal consequences and how much of that is the amount of stigma that would still be there if it were legal, I don't know.

I'm right smack in the middle of this regarding a loved one. This one was nearly fatal and the doctors absolutely could have prevented the extent of brain damage had they known what really happened sooner. This isn't speculation on what an alternate course of events would have looked like. The course of treatment for someone presenting with those symptoms was different than the course for someone with those symptoms right after an exposure and the former is what was followed and not aggressive enough.

As it is, the kids who need to hear that the medical warnings are not just hype will attribute this to a mystery, something that just happens to young people sometimes. No! They absolutely have more control of their health than that and they need to know this, but they won't because of the legal consequences.

And that's not the only case I personally know of where these "mysterious" health problems among young people were presented to the acquaintances as "just one of those things."

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If a billboard is on private

If a billboard is on private property, they may do what they wish. The market will weed these companies out if consumers do not value the companies' service. The government should not charge us to listen to its own propaganda.

If anyone or any company Lies...

About its product, then that is a crime which we call fraud.

If corporations erect billboards which say: "Try Healthy Heroine, 9 out of 10 doctors agree!!"

Well do I even have to finish the argument?

I mean corporations have and are doing this with legal substances which are "dangerous or unhealthy". We don't need to enforce ridiculous tyrannical prohibitions, lets just keep people honest by going after those who use their money and influence to cover up the real dangers of the product they push.

I'm more concerned about the forced fluoridation of our water then the perceived threat of heroine.

All "drugs" should be legal.

All "drugs" should be legal. End of discussion.

They are already illegal and kids still get their hands on them, so what's your point?

Would YOU go out and do heroin if it was legal? Probably not. So what's the big deal? People who were going to do it anyway can do it and possibly get help without having their lives ruined by the fascist police state.

We see advertisements for sex, violence, and harmful substances such as cigarettes and alcohol every single second of our lives. You're claiming that doing it with "illegal drugs" is somehow unacceptable? Ha!

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This is the wrong question.

The question contains an assumption.

The assumption is erroneous.

The right question is, "What are the substances that my neighbor might want to ingest that I would pick up a gun, point it at him, and order him into a cage for 20 years and shoot him if he did not comply?"

If the answer is none, then you are thinking right.

When you say "legalize" you are assuming that it is moral to do this in the first place. That you have this moral authority which you can then delegate to a paid enforcer, the police. Though paying someone else to do it is a bit more cowardly.

I would say to all the drug warriors, ok brave man, if you feel so strongly about what other people ingest I suggest you pick up your own gun and go stop people. Don't have such "high" moral ideals but be afraid to act on them.

Tough question

Honestly I don't know how to exactly answer this question. If I'm truly a liberal and all drugs are legalized I would have to agree with allowing them to advertise their product. If drugs are indeed legalized I think the best approach would be to install government funded Harm Reduction programs, but only for a short time being. After such period of time they should be shut down or turned over to private hands (yes that's a form of socialism I'm sorry) I just don't see a market for helping drug addicts, how could an addict pay for it. So concluding with my previous sentence I think the only ways to pay for a program like that would be through taxation or charity. Or we could just say screw it let the invisible hand figure it out.

Just imagine a commercial for crack

Advertising was never a problem before

Drugs are already legal as per the constitution

I believe in your right to do drugs even buy and sell drugs so long as you do not cause any physical harm to others.

The constitution guarantees every American the right to pursue happiness however an individual wants, if acquiring and ingesting drugs makes someone happy that is their right, but if the same drug lover goes out and hurts someone while on drugs, that person should be prosecuted.

Before prohibition America functioned just fine even though the constitution was still the prevailing 'law', and ALL drugs were completely legal.

Advertising dangerous chemicals for human consumption to me falls under the equal protection under the law provision, even though that doesn't stop pharmaceutical companies and alcohol companies from advertizing.

States, counties and municipalities

will implement their own way of dealing with things. I'm sure certain places will be a lot more liberal about the use of drugs, and drug use utopias will open up kind of like Vegas did in the middle of the desert. But I suspect most places will be able to control the situation and have communities and groups dedicated to making sure that people are healthy and not ruining their towns with drug use. The answer is community in this case.

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    Anyone should be able to do

    Anyone should be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as they aren't harming others. They should be allowed to advertize heroin to children. It's up to the community to do something about it by shunning their business.

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    If you think it should be legal

    to market and sell heroin to children then it should also be legal for me to blow your retarded head off for doing so. That is exactly what I would do if I caught you selling heroin to my kids.

    Get outside your head. This

    Get outside your head. This is a completely false made up scenario. Someone could sell 90 alcohol to your kids as well. You are being emotionally manipulated. Probably in some discussion somebody will say:
    John : I am for legalizing all drugs.
    Jane (who thinks this is wrong) : I oppose that drugs are unhealthy etc.
    John : Yes but people have liberty, etc. etc. etc.
    Jane (feels she is losing the argument and makes an emotional rather than a rational argument to manipulate everyone else present): What is somebody sells heroin to your kids (very improbable scenario, just an argument geared towared emotional people).
    Adam : Imagines this completely fake scenario blows off, gets angry, and thus agrees with prohibition.

    No one would do it because

    No one would do it because it's wrong. Gangs do it now because it's a black market item. If it was something that was just another item on the shelf in a pharmacy it wouldn't need to be marketed towards them. I don't think someone who would sell heroin to kids would have a sense to even start a successful business in the first place. My point is that the problem wouldn't exist or be very rare so we don't need a law for it. It would make more sense to press charges against something like that. Killing someone for it is retarded.

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    Maybe...

    Then you should teach / supervise your kids better...

    You having kids is nobody's problem but your own.

    However, on a personal level, I too would boycott a business that sold heroin to children.

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    What an idiotic response

    Put children under constant supervision? We already have that in this police state. Don't have children if you don't want them to be coerced into using drugs? You know nothing of parenting or environmental influence.

    I suppose you agree with the other guy that it should be ok to sell heroin to kids as long as it doesn't hurt any one. What a stupid statement. Apparently you know nothing of the dangers of heroin or the fact that using heroin is harmful so the whole premise of his statement is flawed. Safe heroin is an oxymoron.

    If laws were made for the right reasons instead of to ensure the flow of money then we wouldn't have a drug problem because people who sell dangerous drugs to kids would all be dead.