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The Will of God in Christ Jesus Concerning You!

Good morning Friends of Liberty. I am addressing Believers, so as not to offend anyone. But you, if you are not a Believer, are welcomed to take a look and comment as well if you like. Peace.

In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you! I Thessalonians 5:18

What a rich chapter 1 Thessalonians 5 is!

Look what else it says:

verse 15:

See that non render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

It is not just our Christian brothers and sisters to whom goodness is due. We are to do good among ourselves and ALSO TO ALL!

Chapter 5 starts with these words:

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with childe; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

continue reading: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-thessalonians/5.html

or listen: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-thessalonians/5-audio.html

I was just overwhelmed at the words this morning while preparing to teach that I wanted to share with my Friends of Liberty here at the Daily Paul.

I leave you with vs. 14: Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. (I couldn't help but add vs. 15 again.)

Those sound like marching orders to me. What a wonderful Lord we serve. We are bound but by 2 laws. The first to love God and the 2nd to love people. (read about it in Matt 22:35-40) What is so hard about that? It is pretty simple language isn't it.

What if all Christians -those who have placed their trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin- had forgotten everything else and just followed those 2 rules? What would the world be like today?

What if we started now?



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I think of this too though

Matt 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

I do share your concerns. And they are very concerning to me.

Indeed

But I am not Jesus. :o)

That you and I are moving in the same direction is not necessary, but in whatever direction we are moving, that we are moved by God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Romans 14:12,13

If you are being led by the Spirit to persevere within this movement, may the Lord bless you and keep you. You have my prayerful support.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Yes,

"That you and I are moving in the same direction is not necessary, but in whatever direction we are moving, that we are moved by God."

You are right. I just have a burden for these here at the DP. I have only been here a year. I only found Dr. Paul during the 2012 Primaries. I am a late comer. You have been such an encouragement to me recently, I hate to be left here alone. I also wonder whether Christians are being divided out of the Liberty movement on purpose. It is hard for me to understand all that is going on. There seem to be alot of dynamics at work. I appreciate your prayerful support.

You are not alone. :o)

And I will keep you in my prayers, I'm putting you and a few others in my journal tonight just so I don't forget.

When I first began to post again here at the DP (I took a long hiatus when Dr. Paul dropped out last year) I was going through some personal struggles which are now mostly resolved. Your words have been very encouraging to me as well during this time. If God has burdened your heart for the members here, then bear it gladly, with all the patience and loving kindness that He so graciously provides. Burdens bear fruit, even if we may not always be priviledged to see it for ourselves. Be of good cheer, the Lord is working in and through your faithfulness. God bless you Bear.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Thank you!

I needed that "You are never alone." What was I thinking?

Matthew 28:20 KJV
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

"God haters"? Please.

Don't be ridiculous. Every so-called "minority" group feels they are oppressed by the "majority". Christians have been sure the end of the world was just around the corner for many hundreds of years.

And I don't "hate God," I hate ignorance parading as truth.

Velveeta

It has only been two days since Christ came. Jesus even asked if there would be faith on the earth when he returns. Sometimes I wonder what those words mean. I do know that God waited while Noah prepared the ark and only 8 people cared to board it before the earth was flooded. Your word ignorant made me think of this passage:

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last
days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

We are mere mortals bound by time.

...

No need to preach to me,

No need to preach to me, bear. Been there, done that and don't need to do it again.

OK Velveeta

I am refraining right now :)

Sounds like good advice,

Sounds like good advice, Christian or not (Minus the love God 1st part). This is a good Christian post. Its not an attack against anyone, nor is it presumptious. To me, this is the "good" part of Christianity.

This is what you are to me MagWan77

http://www.dailypaul.com/279404/rand-pauls-staff-complicit-i...

A foul mouthed and profane Anarchist.

You are "the profane" and a profane person will always end up reveling in their nature because that's all they have. You are devoted to only one thing Anarchist, yourself.

Please, stop pretending you have any love inside you. You've made it perfectly clear that you reject God and see people of faith as brainless morons worshiping a spaghetti monster. You'll get what's coming to you.

"Minus the love God 1st part"

Love "yourself" first I take it?

You Anarchists are like an open book, and it's a trashy paperback novel I've had the misfortune of reading too many times. I have no more tolerance for it.

"You'll get what's coming to

"You'll get what's coming to you."

What exactly is that Mr. Love? Ohh... right... you're cosmic monarch is going to put me into a torture chamber and light me on fire until the end of time. That'll teach me to have opinions and not bow to ficticious authority figures. Or maybe you'd like to clap me into some thumb screws to speed things up and teach me how to "love" like a good Christian?

Why don't you quit pretending to be libertarian or invidivualist? You're a totalitarian theocrate and want everyone who doesn't worship your supreme leader to die in a camp. Only your supreme leader is "god" and your camp is "hell."

The OP is everything you are not. He's posting some uplifting scriptures meant to teach tolerance. He says nothing in his post to cause conflict with those who don't believe. Its wonderful. In response, you primates have to bash him because you can't handle those who don't tremble before your make-believe tyrant. You make me sick. I can almost see you salivating at the idea that your "enemies" like me are going to burn in your fantasy land by the decree of your super-king.

I may not be a christian, but I sure the hell don't want to physically harm anyone whom I disagree with, and Id say that puts my "love" a notch or two higher than your's pal.

For the record, yes I put my own personal self interest in the #1 spot (which predominantly means my wife and daughters as I place a higher value on them than I do myself). The reason I do this is because im not lying to myself and pretending to love my choosen diety or the state more than my own self interest.

P.S. Thanks for reposting that other thread. I got another upvote out of it. I was spot on on that one.

You were sick before I got here.

"You make me sick."

You were sick before I got here. Don't blame anybody but yourself Magwan77. I didn't chose this path for you.

You CHOSE to live a life filled with sickness and hate.

You will ALWAYS try and use me as your mannequin and dress me in everything you hate even though it has nothing to do with reality. You are why people shouldn't bear false witness. Being a Godless and hate filled liar ends badly for you.

Magwan77

Here is another verse about love:

For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

I hope that is not offensive to you. It is not my intent. I am just wanting to show that the reason Christians are supposed to love others is because God loves people. If there is anyone who wants people to burn in hell, it is the devil.

I have nothing but respect

I have nothing but respect for Christians who don't try to force their will on others through coersion. Bear you make a post with some uplifting scriptures and try to sell your religeon based on the merits you see in it. Nothing wrong with that. When someone doesn't agree, I have yet to hear you threaten them with eternal torture for not submiting.

Its the guys like douchebag above you who are the ones I take issue with. For the horrible crime of disagreeing with him and refusing to believe in the illusion of statism, he threatened that his master was going to send his demons to grab me, lock me in a cage and torture me for trillions of years. What kind of Piece of @#$% wants to do this to other people? Oh he'll pretend im "dressing him up," but lets be real. When a Christian says; "you'll get what's coming to you!" We know what they are talking about. Hell. The fact that you can almost feel the smug satisfaction dripping off that turd when he talks about how im going to get mine, is the most sickening part.

Much like some brainwashed subject in N. Korea turning in a thought criminal to the glorious leader's secret police, he is every ounce culpable for supporting and condoning the actions of a sadistic tyrant. The fact that he calls it "love" just makes it Orwelleon on top of evil.

His biggest gripe with me seems to be that im not opposed to giving volunteerism a try without governments. This "anarchy" which he finds so terrible is the reason he was calling Ron Paul a traitor in the post he linked too. Of course volunteerism has nothing to do with anarchy, as anarchy is the absence of laws, wheras volunteerism is a society ruled completely by the rule of law, just without corrupt governments with a monopoly on force. Its no suprise that a man who already worships a tyrant king believs in the system of collectivist rulership and finds individual freedom deplorable. My big question is, what is he doing here other than trolling our forums and insulting the hero of this movement, while at the same time, giving decent Christians like you a very bad name?

You don't respect people of faith Magwan.

You call them chimps who worship a flying spaghetti monster, and you know very well that Ron Paul is an Anarchist.

You need Christian allies to push your agenda. You need people to use, and your foul mouth is a hindrance to that purpose. So now you're playing nice because you're starting to realize how it ends for you.

You need somebody to hide behind. You don't respect Bear. You think she's soulless chimp, and you don't want her to freak out when she realizes that Ron Paul is an Anarchist and fraud.

"Ron Paul may be an anarco capitalist, or a "volunteerist" which might be a better way to term the ideology so that fear-filled primates don't start flipping out and shaking their bannana trees because someone uttered a term which sounds like "Anti-Christ" even if it has nothing to do with cartoonish belief systems based around cosmic collectivism."

We wouldn't want Bear to start shaking her banana tree now would we?

"Its fiction. Not real. There are no gods, angels, bigfoots, tooth fairys or flying spagetti monsters. Grow up and start using the brain the Flying Spagetti Monster gave you."

That's something beyond your vision, but that won't stop you from running your mouth and passing off your belief system as truth. You know NOTHING of God. He's a stranger to you.

I can respect an Agnostic, but not somebody like you because your whole existence is about trying to discredit something beyond your vision. You are an anti-evangelical who proselytizes her faith while running her foul mouth about chimps and spaghetti monsters. It's called faith for a reason, and people keep the faith because they recognize that the world is more than it appears to be.

I respect plenty of people of

I respect plenty of people of faith, I just think that the crap they buy into is ridiculous. Ron Paul(a devout Christian) is my personal hero whom I reguard to be one of the best humans on earth, and my best friend is a Lutherin pastor, so dispite your tendency to believe in things without need of reason or proof, you're (once again) incorrect.

I think religeon is dumb. I think it breeds collectivist minds like yours which will lock-step default to collectivism as your primary method of organizing. I think it is why we may never be rid of the horrors of government or the illusion that some people have the authority to violate other's rights because of their big hats/badges.

While I may think that a person like Bear's belief's are ridiculous, much in the same way I believe someone who does drugs or listens to smooth jazz makes bad choices or has bad taste, it is their right to do as they wish, and so long as they don't force them on me, I don't care what they do. In my Ron Paul group out here, we have many Christians whom I work beside to route the GOP and take our local party over. I consider them friends.

Im not sure where you get the idea im playing nice, I said you were a disgusting nazi who makes me sick with your collectivist, coersive drivel. I mean every word of it. I have no respect for anyone who threatens me with imprisonment and torture for not buying into their horse-shit religeon. Esspecially stooges like you who can't even own up to it and admit that its what you're saying. You call me hateful, I would never hurt a hair on your head over a disagreement. Your entire belief system is an orwelleon contradicton based on the fact that you aknoweldge that hell exists and that non-believers are sent there to be tortured until the end of time. You call coersion, free will. You call hate and xenaphobia, love. You call natural human impulses, sin. Your religeon is devisive and collectivist. It teaches that the greatest system of government is Monarchy ruled by an all powerful dictator.

Many people who believe dumb things are still good people. Hell most of the world is like that. Most people you know believe in government statism, collectivism and whatever silly diety they choose, that doesn't make them bad people. However I have no patients for idiots like you throwing around your threats of hell to anyone you don't agree with. Mindsets like yours are behind witch burnings, thumb screws and crusades.

You keep blubbering about how anyone on this website is going to be shocked or dismayed to find out that Ron Paul may be a Volunteerist. Why would anyone who has a shred of understanding of Austrian Economics, human reason, or the philosophy of liberty have a problem with a stateless society? Some of us may debait on wether its the best answer or not, I myself am not wholly sold on it. I sure the hell don't consider it to be an insult, or some great betrayal.

I don't see Bear or other christians on here baying like asses that Ron Paul may favor a society without governments, so clearly they aren't the primates shaking their bannana trees. You are. I was dead on with that assessment and I stand by it 100%. Most of us with minds free of collectivist brainwashing understand that a statless society does not equivicate to a Satanic hell on earth because we have IQ's over 20.

For Posterity

nfm

Ae You A Bible Thumper?

Look, one could teach a parrot to memorize the words in the bible, but it doesn't make it a Christian.

Christianity is a way of life, not a religion.

I think you're a bit confused and fanatical. You really don't know what you're talking about.

How DARE YOU INSTRUCT US on how or what to believe!!

Jesus: "All those that are of the truth hear my voice"... How do you know this statement is true?....Is it because it is in the bible or is it because you (the holy spirit) realize it is true. Only through realization can you know this. Only if the holy spirit which is in ever man and woma (some to greater or lesser degress)reveals it to you in a wordless way. (Some call this the ah ha experience.

Jesus said, "The letter killeth" I can tell you if you get caught up with words, without the temperance of that which is inside you, you will never realize anything for yourself. Reading Maos little "Red Book" and putting it to memory makes you a good communist and a good slave.

The "LETTER KILLETH" Realization is how God or Jesus speaks to you in a wordless way. It doesn't come from words in a book or from your pastor, it comes from the inner wordless voice..

Many of us have been tricked into receiving knowledge, the knowledge of good or the knowledge of evil, which comes through study or learning. But study or learing doesn't make you anything unless you can realize or temper what you have learned.

Discover for yourself weather the words in the bible make sense. Many or most of what was cannonized in the bible came from letters the apostles and believers wrote to one another in their journeys and experiences with people places and things.

Remeber the great question Jesus asked of Peter: Who do you say that I am?

Peter: "You are the Christ, the son of the Living God"

Jesus: You are blessed for no one has revealed this to you except my Father in heaven. You are the rock in which I will build my Church (Following of believers)

Peter was the first true believer in the truth by revelation of the holy spirit, not by what anyone had told him...

We must all learn to be aware of that little wordless voice inside of us, guiding us in each momment of time.

Lie down upon your bed, commune with your heart - "Be still and know that I AM God" ~ King David, Psalm

Who is instructing who, here,

on how or what to believe????

No, I am a Believer in the Lord Jesus Christ

"How DARE YOU INSTRUCT US on how or what to believe!!"

Are you talking to me?

I Am Talking To Those That Believe Because The Bible Said So...

If the cap fits, wear it!

Most of us come into the world, born of the seed of Adam, the first fallen man, who by denying or doubting the wordless word and listening to the woman, lost his bright nature and thus became suject to that woman. We have become suject to the woman ever since, because of the curse of the original disobedience.

Christ came to die for that original sin. Only a perfectly obedient man could be an exceptable sacrifice. That is why Jesus had to be born of the spirit and that is why God sent a man, not a woman. God sent a man to do a mans job. But this man had authority become he was connected, always, to his father. He was perfectly obedient even as he was dying. The devil took what didn't belong to him and the curse was broken. So now everyone has access to God throught the sacrifice of one man, a man who was innocent of sin and was murdered because the sinners couldn't bear to be exposed for the hypocrisy of their living..

A littile child comes into the word and is almost immediately slapped down because his or her innocence is a threat to those that hear it.

"Unless you return as a little child, you can no wise see the kingdom of heaven. One must be born again, of the holy spirit through the renewing of your mind from within, lest anyone should boast.

Meaning of ourselves we can do absolutely nothing, it is the spirit of God through the sacrifice of his beloved son that moves inside you.

It was through suffering that I awoke to my evil ways and it was throught yearing to become a better person that I was choosen.

I won't go into it now, but years ago I had a exorcism and something very dark and evil came out of me and I wrote an article on it and it was published. Sine that day, I have been different. A new creature, but not yet saved, but I know about things that others don't.

It may take me years to become whole but I know a bible thumper when I hear one. Those that have Christ don't need to pretend they know him. If you have Christ my friend then keep it to yourself for a time until you know when to speak of it and when not to. Timing is essential. Everything in life is about timimg.

The difference between getting a flat tire in a dark alley at night or a flat tire in your drivway during the middle of the day.

The day you become an saved soul - You will know it without words..Until that day, please be silent and work on your own self salvation. You can't help others if you are not saved or confused..

Respectfully submitted,

"E"

The Bible is not something I Thump. It is something I Eat!

spiritually that is! It is nurishment!

My Friend, You are supposed to know if you have eternal life!
1 John 5:13 KJV
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may knowthat ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

I am sorry you think me to be a Bible Thumper as a derogatory term. But Jesus said these words:

Luke 4:4 KJV
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

I did not mean to be offensive by passing the dish here on the DP. I mean to share with my friends. I do think of you all as my friends :)

The

I'm confused E

What in Bears post did you take such exception to. You speak as though you know something of the word, why then do you single out Bear for criticism? Why have you chosen to question Bears faith and salvation? Bear chose to share the word of God today, and to encourage acts of love and kindness. With what exactly are you finding fault? I am sincerely curious?

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Each Person Should Read The Bible For Themselves

I Expressed an opinion based on my intuitive nature. Sharing chapter and verses insn't expressing ones own understanding, its just parroting something in the bible.

My intention was to express how quoting chapter and verse without ones own inner light is useless. Many will understand others may not. Many are turned off by someone having to read chapter and verse to express the joy they feel in their heart.

The bible is something I would encourage people to read when the spirit moves them to read it..

I'm not keen on religion because religion in itself is a dead end - It doesn't go far enough. Christ came to complete the missing pieces, in my opinion..

The authors of these scriptural quotes were inspired men and women. It doesn't mean that by quoting them that one have spiritual discerment. The letter killeth, that is why Jesus never wrote books for us to read. He relied on his father (spirit light) not words, although his revelations were put into words as her heard them from his father.

Be careful about quoting scripture to those that are not ready to hear it or understand it. There have been many religious hypocrites through the ages that loved quoting bible verses to justify their action mostly for the wrong reasons - To get some kind of high, like a drug. Be careful you're not getting a hight on anything, including chapter and verse (ego fufillment)

I have know many men and women in my many years that love sharing bible quotes, because they think if they know the bible from an intellectual point of view, it makes them a Christian.

NOT SO!

Many call themselves Christians and there are many different religions out there in the world that claim to know the truth because they know it intellectual. Intellectually knowing chapter and verse doesn't mean you are a Christian (Have Chrsit in your heart) if you don't have the calm and peeaceful nature of the savior in your heart.
If people can get under your skin and get you to resent them, you are not yet there, although you may be moving in the right direction a little at a time.

Now I don't know if Bear has Christ in her heart. I will not judge her, but to caution her in quoting these verses to those that have no understanding and that is why I took excepttion to her posting them on the Daily Paul because I believe one should read them for themselves and only if the spirit moves them to. There should be no pressure or force to make someone read anything, including the bible..

My criticism is meant to be constructive and I hope all of you will understand this.

I'm not am mean person but I wanted to express my opinion to her and you out there in cyberspace that if you don't have understanding you have nothing but empty words - No spiritual understnding of those words.

Orthdox religion teaches that we read the bible, but I say to all of you: read the bible without pressure and only when the spirit moves you, not because any man or woman says you must...

Learning anything must be without outside pressure from your parents,
teachers or religious leaders or friends.

Learning by discovery leads to the principles of understanding. If one does not learn by discover, it is of no use to learn it by wrote memory..

It might be a better idea to express you hapy or joyful thoughts in non biblical way. In this way one might appreciate those words from the heart, rather than biblical quotes from the bible.

I caution once again, not to study the bible. The bible wasn't meant to be studied. Personally, I would encourage you bible lovers to read a setence or paragraph evr once in a while, refect on it and put it away until the spirit moves you to open it up to read another passage. But to study and put to memory is an intellectual persuit, not a spiritual one...

That should be enough for tonight my friends. Hope I made myself a little clearer, if I didn't, my apologies...

"Of books there are many, much learning is of great weariness to the mind" ~ Solomon

Thank you E,

you have made yourself quite clear. Peace to you.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Jesus didn't sleep with

Jesus didn't sleep with women.

From the illustrations, it looks like he had a killer dressing sense.

He always hung around with 12 dudes.

He 'appeared' to them at night and gave them a 'revelation'

I think its safe to conclude Jesus was gay (and into some extreme BDSM)

Jesus

knew that he was going to be crucified (Matt. 20:18-19). He would not have married a woman knowing he would not be able to provide for her later. Also, the Lamb, who is Jesus, will attend the wedding feast as the bridegroom later (Rev. 19:7; 21:9). So, we could say he will be “married” in the future.

My Friend, that is not a safe conclusion

The safe conclusion is this:

Acts 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34 And the eunuch answeredvPhilip, and said, I prayvthee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip openedvhis mouth, and beganat the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

If I didn't care, I wouldn't say so.

You have a serious issue with

You have a serious issue with taking things you read too seriously lil' doggie...

And I'm not just talking about my comment =P

Come off it already bear, its just some stories. They aren't even the best written.

Check out the Mahabharata if you really want to read an incredible story, holding incredible philosophy written in the most complex meters imaginable. You will really believe it might be divinely inspired.

I was in a catholic school and read the bible. The stories are just meh to be honest.

The world is dirty, messy and really scary at times but we can deal with it as long as we have each other. Just some advice from one monkey to another ;-)