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The Will of God in Christ Jesus Concerning You!

Good morning Friends of Liberty. I am addressing Believers, so as not to offend anyone. But you, if you are not a Believer, are welcomed to take a look and comment as well if you like. Peace.

In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you! I Thessalonians 5:18

What a rich chapter 1 Thessalonians 5 is!

Look what else it says:

verse 15:

See that non render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

It is not just our Christian brothers and sisters to whom goodness is due. We are to do good among ourselves and ALSO TO ALL!

Chapter 5 starts with these words:

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with childe; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

continue reading: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-thessalonians/5.html

or listen: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-thessalonians/5-audio.html

I was just overwhelmed at the words this morning while preparing to teach that I wanted to share with my Friends of Liberty here at the Daily Paul.

I leave you with vs. 14: Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. (I couldn't help but add vs. 15 again.)

Those sound like marching orders to me. What a wonderful Lord we serve. We are bound but by 2 laws. The first to love God and the 2nd to love people. (read about it in Matt 22:35-40) What is so hard about that? It is pretty simple language isn't it.

What if all Christians -those who have placed their trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin- had forgotten everything else and just followed those 2 rules? What would the world be like today?

What if we started now?

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The Wings of the Amighty!

You must have never slept in the Wings of the Almighty! I can tell you from personal experience, serious experience in this dirty messy scarey world that there is not place safer and more comforting in all of my experience.

Psalm 57:1 KJV
Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.

You mean the world of make

You mean the world of make believe?

No, not that one. I mean the world of faith!

Hebrews 11:1 KJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Bear with me mama bear, but

Bear with me mama bear, but using the bible to prove the bible is what is called circular reasoning.

Yes, I have heard that before,

but you asked me if I was in a make believe world, and I gave you the definition of faith. It is a faith world.

The definition is not just found in the Bible:

But this is:

Hebrews 11:6 KJV
But without faith it is impossible to please him [God]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I am happy being a God pleaser. All it takes is faith, and I have a place of comfort in an uncomfortable place!

There is nothing like the shelter in the Wings of God. I was able to experience that when I had a very difficult and painful pregnancy. My husband and I had been married almost 20 years without any children and then one day...it happened!

Anyways, I had to stay in bed for 5 months. I had to go to the hospital multiple times. My pain was so severe I didn't know if I would live and I certainly didn't know if the child I had never had a chance to have would live either. That is how I found a place under God's Wings. And when I found it, all of my fears were released and I was at peace.

There is another scripture that became alive to me during that time:

His name shall be called COUNSELLOR.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

He gave me counsel when no one else could. The only cost to me? Faith.


I'm sorry bear. If you had

I'm sorry bear. If you had read the Qur'an as a child or the bhagwad hits, you would have found passages to that would have made equal sense in that time of your life.

I am sure if you are intellectually honest you will accept that people have found equal meaning in other religions as well.

I find any such philosophy abhorrent that, without evidence, condemns half the human population to hell for refusing to believe without evidence.

I can declare that I am God bear, and that this knowledge was revealed to me by myself I.e. God but it would be ridiculous for me to expect others to take this as truth.

Congrats for the baby, did you consult with a fertility specialist or did it happen on its own. Anyway, happy for you x

Oh, well, we had the plumbing checked...

just to know whether there was a physical issue. Then we waited 10 or so years, and it just happend. :)

I listened to this this morning it is short and sweet. I think it answers the question posed about the rediculousness of expecting other people to take the Bible as truth.


Ok I'm glad it worked out for

Ok I'm glad it worked out for you. The kid will have a really sweet and loving mommy.

But teach him both sides of the argument. Seeing the world as it is without any superfluous layers also leads to a rich and wonderful life, without having to believe in things for which there is no proof. Try it bear, just once.

Thank you for your kind words

I cannot try it. Their very eternity depends on it. [Yes, they, you see, I had surgery to fix my problem and the Lord gave me a 2nd child 4 years before ovarian cancer took the ability away!] They each already know their Creator. I would not deny them that opportunity. I pray that they will be more in love with God than I have ever been able.

They are kind, generous, and loving. Their faith is from their heart, not from a rule book or outside constraint. Each in their own time yielded their hearts to God. It is something we all have a chance to do everyday.

I appreciate the kind way you have interacted with me. I enjoy talking with people and batting around ideas.


Bear, allow me a chance to

Bear, allow me a chance to show you the error of your beliefs.

Firstly, do you speak to god? Does he answer back?


I have his Written Word and He also has a still small voice which I have never heard with my ears.

You will not be able to show me the error of my beliefs:

Jesus is speaking:
John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers...27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father areone. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Full context http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/john/10.html

Oh that is such a wonderful chapter! I am going to paste you some more. I just love it. He is speaking to me now!

9 I [Jesus] am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


If anyone can speak to god

If anyone can speak to god what then is the use of prophets?

Why don't you ask god to send you down a new book because the old one is just not cutting any mustard with the science guys?

With god's help I'm sure you could get it done within a year. Or if you're too busy, maybe ask your pastor to get on the line and tell him its not really working out fella, got to release the new edition?

Good Morning :)

I could have gone on and on, but have limited the information. If there is something that intersts you, let me know and I'll get your more.

Mark 8:17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not?

Jeremiah is called the weeping prophet. He had some hard things to repeat. The people were not talking to God.

The science guys get censored. There are many scientists who profess the God of the Bible. http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2012/09/12/w...

Why do you suppose they are sensored? Is there someone who doesn't want people to hear about God? Why?

Study the World Wide Flood and hydrodynamics and you may see why the earth appears old.http://www.answersingenesis.org/search/?q=hydrodynamics

These are scientists here: http://unmaskingevolution.com/29-100_scientists.htm

"One time an atheist friend of [Sir Isaac] Newton’s came over and saw this scale model of the solar system that Newton had. He remarked at how beautiful it was and asked who made it. Newton nonchalantly replied that no one did; it just made itself. The atheist asked again, got the same answer, and started to get angry. Newton replied, “if you cannot believe something as simple as this model cannot make itself, how can you believe the heavens made themselves?”"

Romans 1:19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Full context: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/romans/1.html

I Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preachChrist crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Full context: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-corinthians/1.html

Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/
Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Professor Stuart Burgess, Engineering Design
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. Rob Carter, Marine Biology
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Timothy C. Coppess, M.S., Environmental Scientist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Dr. Andrew J. Fabich, Microbiology
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Dr. Kenneth W. Funk, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Chemist
Dr. Vicki Hagerman, DMV
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. Mark Harwood, Engineering (satellite specialist)
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. William F. Kane, (Civil) Geotechnical Engineering
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Dr. Johan Kruger, Zoology
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John G. Leslie, Ph.D., Biochemist, Physician, Archaeologist
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. Ronald C. Marks, Associate Professor of Chemistry
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell, Physician
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Kenneth Royal, Psychometrics
Dr. Ron Samec, Professional Astronomer
Dr. Joachim Scheven, Palaeontologist
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
George S. Smith, M.S., Chemistry
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr. Stephen J. Vinay III, Chemical Engineering
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Gordon Wilson, Environmental Science and Public Policy
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology


Bear, I'm sorry but could you

Bear, I'm sorry but could you answer in your own words please. As per your understanding of the issue.

Scientists to be published need to go through a process of peer review. A blog or opinion doesn't matter to the world of science.

Hi, yes, I 'm happy to give you my own words.

"If anyone can speak to god what then is the use of prophets?"

Not everyone can speak to God because sin separates man from God. God choose to speak thru the prophets. If a prophet was not 100% accurate, then that prophet was not speaking for God. The penalty for falsely claiming to speak for God was death according to Old Testament Law
"Why don't you ask god to send you down a new book because the old one is just not cutting any mustard with the science guys?"

That is a false statement. Only some scientists reject the Word of God. Jesus said that man should not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. I have the utmost regard for the Bible. It is light. Psalms 119 tells all the benefits of the word of God. Two of my favorite verses say that it is a lamp and a light. I memorize it so that I have power to keep from doing what is wrong. You could say it reinforces the conscience in a sense.
"With god's help I'm sure you could get it done within a year. Or if you're too busy, maybe ask your pastor to get on the line and tell him its not really working out fella, got to release the new edition?"

The Bible is 66 books written by 40 different authors over a period of 1500 years and is in complete harmony. There is no need to ask God for another Bible. Jesus said you have the law and the prophets and if you will not hear them, then you will not hear even if a man comes back from the dead.
"Scientists to be published need to go through a process of peer review. A blog or opinion doesn't matter to the world of science."

The news media censors the news and the GOP censored Ron Paul. What do you not understand about censorship? What benefit might the ptb in supporting false science and rejecting God as the Utmost Power of Authority and Truth?
Do you have a particular concern with certain words or facts in the Bible? Your statements regarding its utter failure are pretty general. If there is something in particular that you find hard to believe, or that you find as contradictory, or that does not line up with science, I'd be glad to help.


You just claimed that you

You just claimed that you could speak to God, but now you say he chooses to communicate only through prophets. Are you a prophet? Would you like to be?

A points that no scientist with agree with the bible:

Age of the earth.

The list of scientists you gave above contains exactly 1 astrophysicist, which is the relevant field when it comes to creation of the universe.

Lets take the conversation to the first page in a new post. Too narrow (ahem!) here =)

Post your reply as a new comment.


"Lets take the conversation to the first page in a new post. Too narrow (ahem!) here =)

Post your reply as a new comment."

New Comment is currently the first one in the post.

Remember what I said about tolerance?

You sound like you're trying to preach nihilism through Christ. Did Christ NOT convey his love through a whip?

"See that non render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men."

Is serving justice evil or good? Is it evil or good to put a whip on a conman's back?

Tolerance makes tyranny possible, not love.

Yes, the whip was a conveyance of Love

Love for God and Love for people. If Jesus did not love God and did not love the people he would have never used the whip in His Father's House.

How do you read Paul's words:

Romans 12:19 KJV
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

I am not preaching at all. And I am certainly not speaking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

I am speaking about the way people are supposed to treat one another on a daily basis. Jesus said: By this will all men know that you are my disciples, if ye have love one for another.

You keep referring to Jesus with a whip. Jesus used that whip as follows:

John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; 16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Jesus also told Peter to put away his sword. There is a balance to the message. Jesus did not take a whip and drive the Romans out of Jerusalem. Jesus did not call the angels to take him down from the cross. While they were gambling for his clothes, Jesus said Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Have you ever heard of Dirk Williams? http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/dirk-willems.htm

So don't support nihilism in thought, merely in action?

Again, is serving justice evil or good? Is it evil to turn a blind a eye to injustice, or is it good to turn a blind eye to injustice?

Do you mean the word antinomianism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinomianism ?

I really cannot understand what nihilism has to do with justice or injustice.

You don't understand?

I say that you do, and that you're bordering on exposing yourself as a dishonest person.

If there's no objective basis for truth, there is no objective basis for people to judge the difference between good and evil.

Are you able of judging anything as good or evil? Are you capable of judging when somebodies liberty is being taken by force? Is that an evil thing? (Thou shalt not covet) Yes.

You wouldn't be here if you couldn't. Defending liberty is the only justice mankind is capable of.

A nihilist is incapable of rendering judgement upon good and evil, because in their mind, there's no objective basis for truth. Should I shower injustice with love? Yes. Was Jesus using a whip to convey his love? Yes.

Jesus was not a Nihilist. He was the opposite of a nihilist. He was the truth walking and talking. The problem is there's no winning with just a whip, a sword, or with love. I can love a butcher and slaver, but they have free will, and they've chosen to live a covetous life.

I can either reject nihilism and serve justice by imposing a negation upon injustice or turn a blind eye to it. I WILL NOT turn a blind eye to it or let people turn Jesus into a nihilist. As you can tell, there are many people who want to do exactly that, because they want to turn a blind eye to evil.

Why is that?


You owe Bear and a lot of other people an apology. I won't demand you apologize to me, as I have a pretty thick skin, and can generally "take" what others dish out. But my impression of Bear is that she is quite a sensitive woman, and I don't doubt you might bring her to tears if you persist in these attacks.

I would recommend you see a psychiatrist. I am not saying this as someone who thinks he is better than you, I am saying this as someone who is schizo-affective and whose wife is bipolar. I have experience with mental illness, and can often spot someone who is at least partially psychotic by their words.

When someone becomes obsessed with hatred over labels (in your case "anarchist," "nihilist," etc.) it can be an indication of some very deep seated problems. And when this obsession develops into a pattern of insulting and condemning others, unless someone who cares about them intervenes, it can end in disaster.

I will say a prayer for you, as I am sure Bear has already. God's love is not nihilism, it is a very deep and forgiving love which can overlook our faults when seen through the lens of Christ's sacrifice.

I owe you nothing. You're no victim.

"You owe Bear and a lot of other people an apology."

I owe you nothing.

"When someone becomes obsessed with hatred over labels (in your case anarchist, nihilist, etc.) it can be an indication of some very deep seated problems."

That means I oppose Anarchism and Nihilism, and it doesn't mean I hate Anarchists. It means I recognize Anarchism and nihilism as worthless to liberty. I pity Anarchists and I'm doing my best to make sure I owe them nothing. In fact, I'm trying to make them some money.


Opposing Anarchism and nihilism is not indicative of a mental illness. I can explain my position. An Anarchist can't, and a nihilist wouldn't even try.

All it indicates is that I have an opinion (which most likely stands in opposition to yours) and I can defend it while you're left talking about psychiatrists.

If you have something to say about Anarchism and nihilism say it. Don't pretend like you know anything about me.

You owe bear an apology, FreedomsReigning

"I say... that you're bordering on exposing yourself as a dishonest person."

I say that I have had the pleasure of conversing with bear on many occasions, and I have always found her to be not only honest, but a sweet and gentle Christian lady.

You owe bear an apology for your unjustified attack on her character.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand


She didn't discuss nihilism at all other than to post a wiki-link, and in fact tried to change the subject. She then finished off by inserted some ridiculous straw argument into my mouth about wanting her to serve injustice.

After that she went on the attack asking me if I was the guy who said Ron Paul is an Anarchist, as if she hasn't noticed that the Daily Paul is filled Anarchists who say Ron Paul is an Anarchist. Ron Paul is the guy who said Ron Paul is an Anarchist when he said he's a Voluntarist.

Which is he, a Libertarian, a Republican, and a Constitutionalist or an Anarchist?

I made my case very clearly, and still got no response.

I have no problem apologizing when I'm wrong, but I don't think I am wrong about Bear because I've NEVER heard Bear talking about justice. I hear her talking about tolerance and love. Tolerance and love are big sellers here at the "do what thou wilt club" er I mean "Daily Paul".

It's another costume for a Libertine Anarchist to hide in while they "do what thou wilt".

The love that bear is advocating is not licentiousness...

... but the love of God, compatible with justice:

Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished...” - Exodus 34:5-7 (NIV)

This love is sacrificial...

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. - 1 John 4:10 (NIV)

... and upholds the law by defeating sin and death:

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. - Romans 8:1-4 (NIV)

This love enables true righteousness...

Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.) - Revelation 19:6-8 (NIV)

... and the final victory over evil:

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars -- they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” - Revelation 21:1-3, 8 (NIV)

Therefore, this love will endure to the end:

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails... And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. - 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13 (NIV)

Study the attributes of love in the above passage with care; if you understand this love, you will understand bear, for she embodies these qualities more than I, and most of us, do.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

I believe that Christians are called to L O V E

that does not mean that I do not believe in objective truth or the rule of law.

God is Just

I have no interest in being injust or serving injustice. Why do you think that? I am talking about people spewing love instead of spewing hate. There is a time and a place for law and consequences of actions. That is not the topic I am speaking on with my post.

Should I get my whip out and go over to my neighbor's house and "take care of business?" No, not in my mind. That is not my job to do. It is my job to help my neighbor so that he doesn't have to wallow in his business. However, if he gets himself into trouble with his business he will pay for it himself. I wont be taking a whip over there though.

Are you the same person that says Ron Paul is an anarchist and a communist? Or was that another ID I was talking to?

If it was you, it seems like you think I should act like an anarchist and get a whip and take care of matters personally outside of law and order. I can't understand what you are getting at.


He is an Anarchist masquerading as a patriot.

"Are you the same person that says Ron Paul is an anarchist and a communist? Or was that another ID I was talking to?"

Is Ron Paul NOT an Anarchist? I'd love to hear him say that. I'd also love to hear him tell people what's wrong with Anarchism.

I don't need to worry about that happening though do I? He is what he is.

I don't "bear" false witness, and I know Ron Paul is an Anarchist, because that's what he calls himself. He calls himself a Voluntarist, and Voluntarism is called Anarchism. Those who advocate Anarchism are called Anarchists. Anarchists are idealists who lead people towards broken ideas that don't work in the real world, because evil exists in the real world.

Anarchists need to pretend that evil doesn't exist. To destroy an Anarchist and their ideas, all you need to do is play devil's advocate, and to play devil's advocate you need to know thyself.

I know Anarchism fails, because evil would use it to serve mans covetous nature. I have a covetous nature, but I also have free will. I can choose to see you as non-prey.

Ron Paul says his ideas are perfect. That makes him an idealist, and at this point in our history we should ALL recognize idealists for what they are; self aware liars and Judas Goats.

Did you NOT know that Anarchists are mostly just Communists and idealists leading people towards something they know will fail?