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The Will of God in Christ Jesus Concerning You!

Good morning Friends of Liberty. I am addressing Believers, so as not to offend anyone. But you, if you are not a Believer, are welcomed to take a look and comment as well if you like. Peace.

In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you! I Thessalonians 5:18

What a rich chapter 1 Thessalonians 5 is!

Look what else it says:

verse 15:

See that non render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

It is not just our Christian brothers and sisters to whom goodness is due. We are to do good among ourselves and ALSO TO ALL!

Chapter 5 starts with these words:

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with childe; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

continue reading: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-thessalonians/5.html

or listen: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-thessalonians/5-audio.html

I was just overwhelmed at the words this morning while preparing to teach that I wanted to share with my Friends of Liberty here at the Daily Paul.

I leave you with vs. 14: Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. (I couldn't help but add vs. 15 again.)

Those sound like marching orders to me. What a wonderful Lord we serve. We are bound but by 2 laws. The first to love God and the 2nd to love people. (read about it in Matt 22:35-40) What is so hard about that? It is pretty simple language isn't it.

What if all Christians -those who have placed their trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin- had forgotten everything else and just followed those 2 rules? What would the world be like today?

What if we started now?

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"Perfect" Paul???

You said, "Ron Paul says his ideas are perfect." Living in Texas, I became aware of Dr. Paul's career in the late ‘80’s as a public servant in the HOR and have never heard him claim anything that could be remotely interpreted as “his ideas are perfect.” To establish your credibility on the DP ReigningFreedom, I ask that you provide a citation, audio or video link to any such a statement by Dr. Paul. Failure to support your assertion will be understood by all that your claim that Dr. Paul says his ideas are perfect was in reality your invention to support your unfounded accusation that is an "idealist", and an "anarchist" and an....
Waiting for your support!

"I am an imperfect messenger, but the message is perfect.”

Ron Paul - "I am an imperfect messenger, but the message is perfect.”

Ever hear that one?

What's Ron Paul's perfect message? Liberty? Wow great one...

Now what are you going to do to defend liberty in a world filled with covetous people who want (and NEED) what injustice offers? Preach Voluntarism, Anarchy, Anarchism, and create a free market of collective force replacing government with an Anarchists wallet?

I don't think so. That sounds FAR FROM PERFECT.

Even "the message of liberty" isn't perfect because the world is filled with imperfect people.

What perfect message is he offering? Justice? Nope.. He calls himself a Voluntarist, so what else can that mean other than him selling Anarchism as the perfect message?

Anarchism is far from the perfect message. It's a worthless message aimed at destroying our Republic, and that's why he hangs out with guys like Lew Rockwell who want to do exactly that.

Lew Rockwell: "I think it would be a great thing to break up the US, just like it would be a great thing to break up the European Union."

You don't hang out with guys like that for 40 years without seeing them for what they are and understanding their true agenda.

You really think he is an anarchist?

Do you ever listen to him? He is a libertarian.. libertarians are not anarchists, they are minarchists. He also says he is a voluntarist. This does not mean he believes in no laws. Where do you get your information? Do you know what an anarchist is? How many anarchists are in the government? Does he not believe in a strong national defense? How is this anarchism? How is states' rights, which Ron Paul believes in, anarchism? Please show me the proof instead of merely assuming these things.

-Matthew Good

I agree that Anarchists aren't Libertarians.

Anarchists are WORTHLESS to liberty, and they always masquerade as something they aren't because they need a crowd to hide in. Anarchists need a mob. I'm a Libertarian, a Republican, and a Constitutionalist.

I don't appreciate Anarchists putting on my political coloration's and trying to sell Anarchism.

Tom Woods: "We're saying its immoral to initiate force"

I don't know what country Tom Woods lives in or wants to create, but in my country, justice begins by initiating force against an innocent person.

"Innocent until proven guilty."

Knowing what you know bear, secure in my salvation also...

...INVESTING much of my own time, talents, and treasures into this Liberty Movement I can tell you that it is also imperative that we believers be more concerned with defending the Bill of Rights than shoving the Ten Commandments down everyone's throat(lesson learned!)

Understanding this, being buffeted by this dictate in order to achieve genuine American Liberty once again; I want to let everyone know I have been invited to HOST a Daily Paul Radio Show.

The news, the warnings, the knowledge that tyranny is continuing to strengthen it's death grip upon our Republic; more than aware that our ideas, yearnings, objections are SOUND, moral, well-founded, and ripe to be implemented by the candidates we hope to put in representative government in 2014 & 2016...my opportunity begs a response.

Certainly, us believers get it JUST AS WELL as the non-believers as to how late we are in our united response to the evil upon us; and, granted, 4 decades of Christian Republican hypocrisy and arrogance has so tainted the reputation of the truth of the Gospel and the Christian religion as a whole...I ask you....is this an opportunity I could court financial support for from the DP community, especially from the believers here!

Certainly the Creator is well aware of our circumstances, our history, every last evil transaction in thought, word, and deed that has triumphed over our objections or our good intentions and patriotic concerns...in my eyes, He has equipped and strengthened Congressman Ron Paul, granted him courage and an international stage/spotlight for HUMAN Liberty...with that belief, that He was present and active in our founding, as much as He is now...should we press forward publicly and boldly, adding another media voice; or should we hide, withdraw, and just pray?

The knowledgeable believers, and the Thomas Paine/Thomas Jefferson skeptics of Christ and the whole story are in this TOGETHER; and our impact has been huge and influential across this nation and the world since Ron Paul has stepped up and stepped out as a unique Statesman; but this battle and our goals are going to require much in resources, and trust, and dedication, and determination, and personal sacrifice and giving...I'm just one soul, with one individual perspective and a willingness to take the risk of FAILING on a radio show...

What do the believers of the DP say? What do the non-believers say?

Hi Patriots!

I read your comment this morning and didn't quite know what to make of it.

"be more concerned with defending the Bill of Rights than shoving the Ten Commandments down everyone's throat(lesson learned!)"

I have no desire to shove anything down anyones throat. I do hope that is not the way I come across because it is not my intent. My intent was to encourage Believers to be kind to everyone. Really, if people could just be kind we would needn't a bill of rights or the 10 commandments. lol

I'd like to know more about your radio opportunity!

There is a phrase that perfectly describes this.

"Preaching to the choir."

Why must you continue to spread your personal religious beliefs here? The preaching and proselytizing are exactly what disgusted me most about Republicans. "Live and let live" is a fine attitude to have, but how about limiting the Sunday sermons to Christian web sites... Unless you're OK with the Daily Paul being bombarded with threads devoted to Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, witchcraft, chanting techniques, telepathy, levitation exercises, animal sacrifice and selected quotes from the Satanic Bible.

As a matter of fact, here are a couple of choice ones:

“Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!”
― Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible

“When a Satanist commits a wrong, he realizes that is it natural to make a mistake―and if he is truly sorry about what he has done, he will learn from it and take care not to do the same thing again. If he is not honestly sorry about what he has done, and knows he will do the same thing over and over, he has no business confessing and asking forgiveness in the first place.”
― Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible

Never.

Eternal Vigilance.

I'll stop when there are no more Atheists spreading their profanity and self worship.

Pretending evil doesn't exist doesn't make it go away Velveeta. It simply gives evil free reign on earth while surrounded by blind men.

I guess you have accomplished your goal.

"I'll stop when there are no more Atheists spreading their profanity and self worship." -- Great, that has happened, umm...., never. So, I guess you are good to go.

"Profanity" is subjective and based on language, you can't actually "spread" profanity, it is an individual act.

Athiest do not "self-worship" - that is just a moronic statement and shows you have very little cognitive ability.

So, as I said, you have accomplished your goal by doing nothing. Well done.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Sure they do.

"Athiest do not "self-worship" - that is just a moronic statement and shows you have very little cognitive ability."

You're a perfect example of it. There's nothing left for a godless person to devote themselves to. Why devote yourself to a bunch of moronic sheep who have very little cognitive ability? You're something more than all the morons and retards right? They're NOTHING compared to your greatness...

Spreading profanity and self worship is all that you do Mohusk.

Fine then

Nothing left for a godless person to devote themselves to?

How about a high moral standard?
How about freedom and the concept of liberty?
How about the American Enlightenment?
How about not killing little brown children? - You Fundamentalist Christians seem to be have the other opinion locked up.
The American Enlightenment
Children
Taking care of parents
Electing Ron Paul
Organic and Healthy Food
Loving Neighbors and helping society
Being a good drinking buddy

Nevermind.....you are right. Without your pretend Jesus guy my life is completely worthless.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

"Profanity" is subjective... No objective basis for reality.

"How about a high moral standard?"

You think you have a high moral standard? Think again. You can say a lot of things about me, but saying I lack cognitive ability wouldn't be an honest assessment. I would say that's a very dishonest and self aggrandizing assessment from an immoral person. I would say your knee jerk reaction is to always insult a persons intelligence because you see yourself as something more.

"How about freedom and the concept of liberty?"

What about it? Are you ready to serve justice and bring your moral code to bare. Are you ready to defend your principles? I'm not sure about that, and I'm not sure you have any principles I'd stand by and watch you defend, because your knee jerk reaction is to call people morons believing they lack cognitive ability. You're NOTHING more than the people around you when it comes to cognitive ability.

Stop flattering yourself.

What principle do you primarily serve? What I see is somebody who thinks they're surrounded by people who lack cognitive ability. Why would you want them to have their liberty?

"How about the American Enlightenment?"

You aren't enlightened. You're blind. Show me your "American enlightenment".

"Children"

Are you passing on your "American enlightenment" to your children? Are you teaching them that they're surrounded by soulless animals and morons who lack cognitive ability? That doesn't sound like a good thing to me.

In fact, it sounds pretty evil to me. I'll pray for your children.

"Electing Ron Paul"

Not even Ron Paul thought that was going to happen, and that was NEVER the plan. If you were part of the campaign, you'd know what his plan was, and I don't need to go into the self defeating nature of Ron Paul's campaign. People can blame Jesse Benton if they want, but I'm done with it.

"Organic and Healthy Food"

Great. Eat up, be healthy.

"Loving Neighbors and helping society"

I'm your neighbor and you don't love me at all. Don't even try and pretend you give a damn about your neighbors or helping society. I have no doubt that you see society as something filled with morons and sheep who lack cognitive ability. I'm sure you see society as filled with people like me.

"Being a good drinking buddy"

Reveling in your nature through booze? One needs to have goals I suppose.

"Nevermind.....you are right. Without your pretend Jesus guy my life is completely worthless."

I didn't say 'you're life is completely worthless', but than again, "honesty" didn't make your list-of-things.

"Profane"

1.characterized by irreverence or contempt for God or sacred principles or things; irreligious.
2.not devoted to holy or religious purposes; unconsecrated; secular ( opposed to sacred ).
3.unholy; heathen; pagan: profane rites.
4.not initiated into religious rites or mysteries, as persons.
5.common or vulgar.

What about the Buddhists,

What about the Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, agnostics, Deists, etc., etc., etc.?

What about them?

Is this where you try and blame all war on faith rather than man's covetous nature?

You're free to follow the teachings of a fat ass con man who preyed on people from under a tree. You're free to preach Godless nihilism and self worship. You're free to pretend that you can just snap your fingers and make evil go away because it never existed.

Just know that I'll point you out for what you are, blind rather than enlightened.

It seems to me that we all have the opportunity here to share

what we want to. I wanted to share with other Christians that the idea is to love ALL people and do good to ALL people. Doing good to all people includes doing good to you. I am sharing the Golden Rule. Ron Paul didn't mind speaking about it in a televised debate. He was booed for asking why we don't follow it concerning our foreign policy.

I am in Michael's living room just like you are. If he tells me to shut up, I will honor his desire regarding my words here. Until then, if you feel like I am preaching or proselytizing, you have the freedom to voluntarily remove yourself from the place where I am speaking.

Please know, it was not my intent to offend you. I tried to make that clear in the opening words of my post:

"Good morning Friends of Liberty. I am addressing Believers, so as not to offend anyone. But you, if you are not a Believer, are welcomed to take a look and comment as well if you like. Peace."

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You asked, I answered.

"...if you are not a Believer, are welcomed to take a look and comment as well if you like. Peace."

I agree with the "peace" part, I do not agree with the mystical gift wrapping. Especially since the foundation of Libertarianism is rational, not magical or emotional.

To the theist...

Reason itself is foundational to everything, not just to Libertarianism. I don't agree that Reason, Person, Love can arise from chain reactions of non-reason. I see the existence of Reason at all as evidence that it came first, along with Person and Love, all of which uphold and nourish Liberty.

It is completely rational for me to look around myself

and know the Creator as explained in the Bible. Who is to say what embodies rationalism?

The Bible is a collection of

The Bible is a collection of contradictory stories, opinions mixed with elements of historical record keeping. Most of it is inaccurate because it assumes an underlying belief system is true instead of theorizing, analyzing and testing. It isn't rational. As a book of folklore, it is an interesting document worthy of study, to be sure.

The Bible is a collection of scientifically accurate statements

You said the Bible is a book of “contradictory stories….” I see this statement over and over on blogs and forums, yet no one ever cites a genuine example of such “contradictions.” The Bible has been despised throughout history for sure, and we’re witnessing this more & more on the DP ever since the new audience arrived here after the election fiasco! The Bible’s reputation rests it what it says, not what people say it says. It’s scientific accuracy defies human explanation, declaring the earth to be spherical in shape (Isaiah 42:40) 2,100 years before “scientists” confirmed that the world was not flat. My favorite is the “folklore” story of Noah’s ark, the dimensions of which were confirmed in the early 1900’s as ideal length, height, width ratios for large cargo vessels by the U.S. Navy’s studies. A genuine scientific contradiction would be the flood story of the “Gilgamish Epic” which has a flood and a boat to save creation, yet is a cube. The cube will not float safely for the cargo but will roll and flip as science confirms.

Here's just one "short list" of Bible contradictions:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-cont...

Additionally, Bible scholars have been aware of the many historical inaccuracies for a long time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_criticism

The translations errors alone keep scholars quite busy:
http://courses.missouristate.edu/markgiven/rel102/bt.htm

"Short list" is so short it has no contradictions cited!

I read the Wikipedia link you posted to support your argument that the Bible contradicts itself, but alas, not one contradiction was cited, What?
The only thing close is "but these critics found contradictions and inconsistencies in the text that they concluded made Mosaic authorship improbable." Improbable? Matter of opinon and lacks scientific support.
Textual Criticism is not a definitive science and was born of German "theologians" seeking to dismiss the Bible in the 1800's.
Blogs, forums, university coffee shops are rampant with the "Bible is full of contradictions" rhetoric, yet most cannot present a single verified scientific contradiction. I honestly believe the majority are parroting what a prof or classmate said and run with it as "gospel".
What are your impressions regarding the scientific evidences of Biblical accuracy (sphericity of the earth, Noah's ark cargo capacity)?

We aren't talking about

We aren't talking about scientific contradictions because the Bible presents no "scientific" evidence. They are stories largely.

Somehow you managed to miss the first link I provided also.

The reason that...

...you arrive at the conclusion that it is inaccurate and contradictory is because you assume a different underlying belief system to be true, which then dictates that the contents of the Bible must be irrational. A person who declares the miraculous to already be impossible, will of course think any account of any particular miracle foolishness. A person who is hostile to any possibility of the contents of the Bible being true, will of course call the various complementary accounts 'contradictory'.

I can open a science book and look at 'contradictory' ideas that light is a wave and light is a particle. I don't see these as contradictory; I see them as complementary, with a deeper underlying truth tying both perspectives together. Same thing with apparent tensions between quantum theory and large-scale relativity -- there are underlying realities which resolve these tensions, which may not yet be visible to us (perhaps string theory addresses this, etc.)

The label 'contradictory' as applied to the Bible, I think carries with it a prior maliciousness and intent to discredit it, rather than an open mind willing to see how it all might fit together.

Religious beliefs are

Religious beliefs are inherently not scientifically testable.

Everyone has...

...a core religious or philosophical belief and then proceeds to judge whether things are rational or irrational or consistent or inconsistent with that axiomatic idea.

If one believes that Reason, Person, Love are fundamental reality, the lack of the miraculous or 'supernatural' would be irrational within that context.

If one believes that non-reason, non-personal is fundamental, then the idea of the miraculous or 'supernatural' being real would be irrational within that context.

Ultimately, this is indeed testable: every day there are millions of such tests occurring as people die and cross into the next phase of life. If these ideas of the miraculous and 'supernatural' are true, then everyone will know this soon enough. If they are not true, well then nobody will be around to know anything anyway, as that view consigns everyone to the hell of nonexistence.

" that view consigns everyone

" that view consigns everyone to the hell of non-existence."

You are implying that the 'view' or opinion is somehow complicit in doing so. Should we all resort to escapism and wishful thinking because the truth is unpalaptable?

All of us experience a form of non existence when we fall asleep. I would certainly never compare it to the christian conception of hell. In fact there is a sort of peace within oblivion.

By...

...'that view consigns', I mean that if the view is correct as it claims to be, then the nature of that reality dictates that every person's fate is non-existence.

I would not compare sleep with non-existence, as there is a lot of thinking and processing of information that occurs subconsciously in that mode. When I was in college, there were many occasions when I would fall asleep on my bed, textbook in hand, having been stumped on a particular physics problem, and then wake up in the morning knowing the solution from my mind chewing on it in sleep mode. Annihilation is final nothingness, a black hole that sucks all ultimate meaning and reality of Reason, Person, Love out of everyone and everything -- a yawning, dark chasm of obliteration.

To be fair, annihilation is actually one of the three Christian views of hell; so there is a direct comparison there, except for the scope of who this fate applies to: atheists would say all, annihilationist Christians would say some. The other two views are eternal, conscious torment (I do not agree with this view), and universalism or ultimate reconciliation (which I do hold, as I think it best fits with Love being greatest, all things being reconciled, preservation of human and divine free will, etc.).

I do not find any solace in the idea of annihilation as everyone's destiny. A reality that would have non-reason and non-person as fundamental, and have person, love, reason be mere illusions arising from non-personal chain reactions, like a passing cloud that looks like a sailing ship but isn't -- this is horrific. Line up Hitler's brain next to Da Vinci's brain next to Pol Pot's brain next to Jefferson's brain. Where is the sense of right or wrong in that picture? All just different arrangements of dead, meaningless, purposeless stuff--grey matter--stuck in the meaningless, non-personal flow of cause and effect. The Holocaust is no better or worse than the Mona Lisa; the Declaration no better or worse than the killing fields -- all just rearrangements of stuff.

That view of nihilism that sucks the life, love, joy and meaning out of everything does not resonate with my being at all. It is not mere wishful thinking that compels me to reject it. In general, people get hungry. There is such a thing as food. In general, people desire physical intimacy. There is such a thing as sex. In general, people desire rest. There is such a thing as sleep. In general, people desire beauty. There is such a thing as music, art, etc. In general, people hunger and long for transcendent meaning and purpose and for Love to be real. Given that all the other desires of people are fulfilled by reality, I follow the pattern and feel a resonance with a fundamental reality of Love, Person, Reason transcending all else. It also does not resonate with me that Reason would arise from a chain reaction of non-reason. The very existence of human knowing and reasoning compels me to see Reason as original and fundamental, and with it, Person and Love. If I am wrong, then what does it matter, anyway? If I am right--surely the joy and peace of knowing Love is real and pre-eminent is better than the black hole of nothingness?

False

I can name 20 facts of science that were once what you call "religious beliefs." The link is in my signature.

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Exactly!

And they actually left out about 42 books because the early church felt like those books didn't suit them.