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A Daily Paul Post gone horribly wrong

I'm not a big poster here - with all the insight and up to date news it's sometimes hard to fit something in, but occasionally I try. When I do post, I might get a comment or two, or maybe a whole bunch and some +1s for it, but for the first time I wrote an original (a parody) and got nothing, nada, zip. Where did this post go wrong?

http://www.dailypaul.com/281412/the-quran-9-11-and-gun-control

Perhaps it struck too close to sensitive subjects here (Islamaphobia, 911, religion) but I thought my thought process of comparing a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment's protections to the attacks on the 2nd Amendment was pertinent. Thoughts? I'm looking for critique but feel free to flame away if you feel I deserve it.



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Your posting original writing to a mob

Your posting original writing to a mob, and getting paid in nothing but thumbs.

Your problem is a lack of market payment - like MONEY.

Yes, your facing a problem a lot of the original thinkers are facing here. You need to learn to get paid - and "thoughts" like "the thumb" is not it. What are you - a gladiator fighting for nothing but to stay alive, for the joy of the spectators who have never lifted a pen?

Learn to fight back against the mob, collective, herd, etc. Learn - how to really get paid. How to avoid the non-thinking collective. etc.

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it's called

competition.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

You know the Daily Paul is dead when...

...you post a comment about the Austrian perspective of the recent gold and silver price dives and it gets down-voted.

What happened to this place?

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
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Criticizing certain aspects

Criticizing certain aspects of Austrian Economics is against the manifesto?

Haha, I understand what you're saying.

No one should blindly follow any doctrine. But precious metals as a means of exchange, unit of account, and a store of value isn't a mere ideological quibble, it's the cornerstone of Rothbardian voluntaryism and modern American Libertarianism.

Gold and silver being down-voted here doesn't bode well for the backbone of the movement. If CNBC pundits can convince people here that silver and gold are down because "the rock-solid purchasing power of the dollar is proving itself," I'm genuinely scared for the future of liberty.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

Well, I haven't studied

Well, I haven't studied Austrian economics like I have conventional economics, but gold isn't a convenient method of exchange.

And as long as a currency is backed in gold, you cannot really grow your own economy except by impoverishing other nations. Maybe its my ignorance about Austrian economics talking.

Competing currencies I'm fully on board with but something like the dollar which is backed by all the wealth and power of the United States does seem to be, in my eyes, almost immune to failure bar an extinction level catastrophe.

I see someone has already recommended Hazlitt...

...which is certainly a good place to start in studying the Austrian school.

Due to my own ideological predispositions, I tend to gravitate more towards the Rothbardian school of anarchocapitalism, and because of this, my first recommendation when anyone asks about Austrian economics is What Has Government Done to Our Money? by Murray N. Rothbard.
Audio Book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFz6nXUmLdY&list=PL5FD601742...

Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" is also a great short read.

Though, allow me for a moment to refute your statement about a gold-backed currency not being able to sustain economic growth, as I feel American history is a perfect example of how your analysis is patently untrue. The most unfettered period of growth in terms of economic and social progress in the history of Man took place in an era virtually devoid of imperial aggression within the context of 19th Century America, which, not coincidentally, had a gold and silver backed currency.

As for gold not being a convenient means of exchange, I'd also heartily disagree. It's fungible, easily divisible, and has intrinsic value, which satisfies literally all the needs of money. There's a reason that America operated on the Gold Standard for nearly two hundred years with a great degree of success and prosperity. What Has Government Done To Our Money? goes into great detail about precious metals as money with a specificity and eloquence I couldn't hope to match in a brief forum post.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter after listening to/reading the Rothbard link above. I'll spare you my technical analysis until then :P

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

I'll try to cover the

I'll try to cover the material over the weekend.

That's an over simplistic analysis I think. You could say that America was more prosperous after the formation of the federal reserve than before and on the face of it, it would be true, but underlying reality would be different.

A more rigorous approach would be appreciated =)

Anyway, I'll read/hear the books and we can come back to it.

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A great intro to the Austrian School of Economics

is Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics". Written for the layman, it lays out the Austrian view of business cycles, talks about commodities as money (such as gold) vs fiat money and the dangers of market manipulation (such as interest rates by the Federal Reserve). Written I think in the 1940s but still very, very pertinent. Here's a link to a free copy courtesy of the Mises Institute: http://mises.org/document/6785/Economics-in-One-Lesson

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Thanks man, I appreciate it.

Thanks man, I appreciate it. Should get some time over the weekend to read it.

Could you address my questions in brief or should I get back to you after reading the book?

So so needy man =P

So so needy man =P

The best way to get lots of

The best way to get lots of comments is to make a title that stretches the truth beyond reason and sounds scary. Read some tabloid covers and modify them. At least, that's the game that people are playing here now.

But major event posts get a lot of attention too, like a video of the latest Ron or Rand Paul speech.

My posts get few or no replies, so don't feel bad.

I read it when you posted it.

It was good. Some things just don't gain any traction. Perhaps it wasn't subtle enough to provoke much thought for this audience. Remember that you're kind of preaching to the choir here, at least when it comes to liberty. Maybe try a different forum and let us know how it goes over.

A Daily Paul Post gone

A Daily Paul Post gone horribly wrong

I'd say that description is applicable 99% of the time on here, no?

Rarely are the posts themselves the best part of this site. Typically, the discussion stimulated by the posts is whence the productivity really originates on DP. Often, the best posts are nothing but a branched-off response to another otherwise value-less post.

And as a parting shot: If this post would also have fallen flat, would you have created another to complain about that, too?

That's rhetorical, of course.

This second post -- about the first post -- has received enough responses that it should serve to put the pacifier in your mouth.

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No pacifiers around so I'm making do with a couple Altoids :)

I wasn't fishing for compliments, sympathy, complaints, critiques, etc. but trying to identify if I'd crossed some line in the title or body that just put people off. I love this site and have seen some amazing works here that I'll never come close to - but if I can do a better job of getting my thoughts across in a way that spurs some conversation I'd love to hear it and I've never known the members here to be shy about offering their opinions :)

The analogy here to print media is interesting to me - I find myself grabbed by headlines, frequently in the right column and you're right - the responses are the meat of the site - and that's what I hope to generate when I do write something up.

Wit that said I do feel that I am entitled to the same number of likes and comments as everyone else that posts here - if they get more than me that's just not fair. I am going to write my Congressman to see if we can get legislation to guarantee equal post likes and comments for all - that will be better for...the collective. :)

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Wit that said I do feel that

Wit that said I do feel that I am entitled to the same number of likes and comments as everyone else that posts here - if they get more than me that's just not fair. I am going to write my Congressman to see if we can get legislation to guarantee equal post likes and comments for all - that will be better for...the collective. :)

LOL.

Well played, sir, well played...

Not even gonna read the original or the comments

just wanna say right off the bat i can relate. OMFG. I have really come out with some crappers. And even worse when I was just trying to be whimsical and light hearted. Like the time I did this parody of Noystrom which I actually meant to be complimentary but the community rose up as one in defense of beloved brother Noystrom and pretty much handed me my arse.

And they didn't use the short form. They took their time to tell me in so many words,

that I am dirt.

Just hang in there and see. We are not altogether not understanding.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

hey the upside? When we hit a zinger?

every now and then i bang out a post that resonates and all the sudden like I publish and to to sleep and suprise! it's like a top post and it is really kinda cool.

Like wow, I'm relevant!

It really does feel cool cause then we feel all connected and maybe we aren't such hopeless outcasts after all but.....

BUT....

hey nothing feels better than a pat on the back but it's not our primary function. Our primary function is getting people to face uncomfortable truths. About our society and even ourselves.

So basically the old words of wisdom is you know you are over the target when you are taking flack.

nuff said?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

its partly..

because the election is over and traffic is down.

I didnt start really posting here until after the 08 election. RonPaulForums got to crazy for me and DailyPaul was much more calm. Once the midterms start going the traffic will shoot back up Im sure.

Sometimes threads don't catch traction no matter how good they are. I self 'bump' sometimes or ask a question to try to get the conversation started.

:)

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It's probably

TL;DR.

Which is why I didn't read it. Not saying it was bad or good. Just saying I don't have the time to read it right now, which is probably a lot of people here.

So maybe a better title? Just food for thought.

If your post struck a nerve

You'd know it. Simple answer is that sometimes threads are posted at the wrong time and people don't get a chance to read it or not thought-compelling enough to reply and vote on. Don't expect every thread you post to gain traction.

DP owner

and its core readers (who do most of the collective thumb work) would like you to correct the story and tell the "truth" - Zionists did 9/11, Rothschild did Sandy Hook, 5-6 Khazar mega banks control New World Order.

Individual rights of muslim people violated by Sharia Law, daily, is not important to our "Libertarians." But if you post an article about Zionists violating muslim "group rights", you will get what you are looking for - our collective recognition.

No army can stop an idea whose time has come

Yafa Firster, Hertzilya Dualie, TA provocateur...

We know the score - and so do you, I might add - now shoo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBngrfL0B6U

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Crietmann,

you see, that is the topic that excites our folks and generates thumbwork. Koran cannot compete with Khazars.