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ObamaCare Imploding

Here is what Investors Business Daily has to say about Obamacare.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/041113-651603-obama...

Okay folks, I know you think the C-Span Channel that broadcasts all those Congressional hearings is boring, but, really, you should have been around to watch the Senate Finance Committee's hearing Wednesday on the Affordable Health Care Insurance Oversight.

Folks, you haven't seen so many faces of misery since you watched Les Miserables for three and a half hours...and they were all Democrats. And one of them, Senator Max Baucus, was the primary sponsor of Obamacare in the Senate!

Now, try to follow me here because this gets pretty complicated. (It seems that Nancy Pelosi was right; you DO have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it...and the Democrats are now learning what the Republicans warned them about. It's an unworkable mess that is throwing millions of Americans off the health care rolls!)

Okay, apparently, tens of thousands of American employers began throwing workers off their health care plans and opting to pay the much lower federal fine for not offering health care for their workers. Thousands more are even now converting their full time workers to part time workers by limiting working hours per week to less than 30, in compliance with Obamacare rules. (Remember when Paul Ryan and the Republicans predicted employers would do this? Remember when Democrats were warned that employers would move to save operating expenses by moving their entire work force into federal healthcare exchanges?)

Now, these workers who have lost their health care benefits are busy trying to sign up for state health care exchanges. (There are Internet sites available if your state has agreed to sign up to Obamacare). However, when these American workers, soon to be without employee provided health care, go to the Health Exchange to sign up, they are finding they are not qualified! It seems that during the signup process, applicants are required to fill in various income and benefit data, which then flows over to IRS computers who then are to spit out what your premium costs will be and how much federal tax credits you'll receive in order to receive subsidies to help you afford health care premiums that are as much as 30% more than you were paying under your employer’s plan!

Big Problem! The IRS is only allowing somewhere around 9% subsidy support for Obamacare Health care Exchange premiums that are priced so much higher than the worker was paying under his employer plan! (Surprise, Surprise! Remember Republicans warning that forcing working Americans to pay for the 30 million leaches who pay nothing for their health care under Medicaid would drive the premiums of working Americans higher?)

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Gilligan's picture

thx, emalvini,

for the excellent summary!

Google is government.

Please do not refer to my

girlfriend as a "leech." We all use government services, and we have all paid into them. Why aren't you referring to those who use government roads and those who attend government schools as "leeches?" What about all those collecting Social Security Retirement benefits? What about Goldman Sachs, for God's sake?

No one in this society can completely extricate themselves from government, and the fact is, government has so destroyed the economy, it is almost impossible to truly get an honest job and afford health care. People collecting government benefits are VICTIMS of the system. You've heard the old Christian adage, "Hate the sin, love the sinner"? Well how about "Hate the government program, love the recipient"?

Thick Skin with a Soft Spot for Violet!

You said:

"No one in this society can completely extricate themselves from government, and the fact is, government has so destroyed the economy, it is almost impossible to truly get an honest job and afford health care. "

You are exactly right.

Most Americans pay 60% in taxes and regulations people might be able to survive but when healthcare has to come out of the 40% that is left that doesn't leave much for gas, food, water and electricity.

It is disheartening. We pay $1500 a month out of pocket for healthcare because my husband is "self-employed"

I kinda think if everyone just quit having insurance all at once, we might all be better off! Let the insurance companies have a taste of their own medicine! Blowback to Obamacare?

Anyways, I am here because I read your other post about you leaving. I hope you won't. You have been an encouragement to me. You have thick skin, but a soft spot for your wife. Exactly as it should be. She is very fortunate to have you come to her defense.

As far as I am concerned, if you have a job, just pretend like the 60% you are paying in fees and taxes is paying for her medicaid. And if you are not working...well then...pretend like our 60% is yours. That would make me feel better anyways, knowing it is going to sweet lady named Violet, instead of buying a war!

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Cyril's picture

"Disheartening" is a weak qualifier.

"Disheartening" is a weak qualifier.

When it's not the self-employed plundered, it's the employee AND their employers.

No matter what the unintended consequences on the latter's capabilities of employment can - AND WILL - be.

Thank socialism.

Next milestone with crony big pharma, crony big insurance, with buddies in public offices, you can rephrase it into:

Thank fascism.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infected_blood_scandal_%28Franc...

Yes, the only ones who got away with it were government officials.

You can't expect otherwise. They'd be pure idiots to let themselves caught, when they have enough power in offices to not be.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

You are right, I toned my word down quite abit.

It is absolutely sickening because it is fraud and abuse. I wonder what the excuse was to not have been heating the HIV blood? Another step to costly for the system to absorb? Truth lost in a pile of paperwork? People pushing paper for a government wage and an unending supply of public money so there is no personal accounting? A public held in health prison by its government? Humans relegated to property? (I am in control of my dog’s health care and the dog doesn’t even have to pay for it…but I have the final say between life and death and treatment or no treatment.)

Yes it is more than disheartening. It looks like from the wiki article that the Minister of Health did not get acquitted and was charged for manslaughter. Oh, but I see, he was not sentenced. So I guess he was "reprimanded."

Socialism and fascism. I have a friend who would us the word Criminalism. I think there is power in calling them what they are: Criminals.

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The one thing I didn't like seeing

That phrase "leech" is the one thing in the article I didn't like seeing, and I think it pits people against one another. For us as libertarians to be trying to break down the false left-right paradigm, words like these should not be in our mouths, especially directed at people whom we're trying to convince about the benefits of economic liberty. Those aren't words that draw people in, rather they drive people away.

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you are truly a misguided, big govt lover

People who work and pay taxes pay for the government roads. People who work and pay taxes fund the school system. People who have paid into the system should get their Social Security back and NO ONE ELSE.

People who want the government to give them healthcare - something clearly unConstitutional, are LEECHES!! Get a job and pay for your own health care coverage! Or find a place of employment that offers healthcare and join that system.

The majority of those 30 million uncovered are most probably the ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS you so desperately want leeching off American CITIZENS! Yup, I used what you consider the dirtiest of words - AMERICAN CITIZENS!

Do us a favor, go back in your hole and stay there.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Not only do I wish to end these government

programs, my girlfriend, who is on medicaid, wishes them ended. We both feel that we, as well as all honest people, would do better in a purely free market society. We are not "government lovers." I work like a dog, when I can find work, and have no health insurance. How can you expect the 20% of the working age population who is unemployed and underemployed to even survive if they swear off ever using any existing government benefit? I am not calling for any new expenditures and am in fact calling for total repeal of the welfare state. The fact is that the government has made it impossible, through its economic interventions, for many honest people to survive. Your hypocrisy is quite evident, if you feel that it's OK to use government roads, but not government healthcare. There is no way to determine whose taxes went where. It's hypocrites like you who give the liberty movement a bad name.

Why illegal immirgration has to end

The Phoenix area of Arizona has significant and problematic minority populations that are linked to gangs and crime. The violent Latino gangs are the most numerous and dangerous. Arizona's biggest threat is illegal immigration and the future potential of being reclaimed by Latino militants. Its southern border counties are already becoming war zones where the border fence is not complete. Armed human traffickers and even more heavily armed drug runners known as Coyotes invade the Us border areas sometimes accompanied by the Mexican Military. Idiotic rules of engagement inhibit the border patrol from responding with effective armed force so the problem continues.

jhon

"Coyotes"

Coyotes are not drug runners, they are the guys who take illegal immigrants across the borders. They advertise by word of mouth in the poorest of districts. They take these poor schmucks money, promise to get them past the border and into a big city where they can disappear into the crowd and find a good job. Then they rob them blind, leave them in semi-trucks packed in like sardines in 100degree weather to die. The illegals are people too. Never forget that.

PattyFromTexas

illegal immirgrants need to be deported back to mexico

According to professional intellegence officer Dr Jhon Coleman the Us will be flooded by peoples of alien cultures who will eventually overwhelm America, people with no concept of what the Us consitution stands for and who will in consequence, do nothing to defend it, and in whose minds the concept of liberty and justice is so weak as to matter little. Food and shelter shall be the main concern. Legislation has already been passed to open the floodgates. Haitians with aids are currently entering the country in droves. It is becoming necessary to be bilingual to work in Miami. The illegal immigrants from Mexico should not be given citizenship. California is a prime destination for illegal aliens escaping the Arizona crackdown. The word is out that this is a sanctuary state ever since the California Supreme Court overturned the citizen initiative to cut off welfare, medical benefits and public education access to illegals. Mexican illegal immigrants have not only created the largest gangs here, but have also formed radical political organizations such as Aztlan, La Raza, and Mecha intent on fomenting revolution and retaking California. They are also driving many blacks out of the inner cities so they can take over.

jhon

illegal immirgration

Hundreds of thousands of average Americans who are either citizens or green card holders have a lot to complain about, but remain silent when it comes to contacting directly their Senate or Congressional House members in Washington. These usually prudent people put up a merry dance on the internet or even in the print newspapers but do not contact their Representatives at either the federal or state level. Have they no sense of commitment to the honest immigrants, who had to hire an immigration attorney, pay fees, take a medical examination, and check any criminal backgrounds, while illegal aliens are smuggled in and use their children to live of the rest of us. How are they able to do this? By smuggling their unborn or ready to conceive babies into our country through a highly controversial border, or passing undetected immigration agents as tourists, visitors or students. Once inside our nation they claim instant citizenship for the child/children, which give them access to all the citizen rights. Hundreds of billions of dollars in your taxes in education, section 8 housing and health care and free baby deliveries. While citizens work to put food on the table, the illegal mothers are akin to parasites feeding of the host—the United States population. Once here they deliver as many babies as they can, because they know the federal, state and municipal government will support them. Programs included are TANF, (cash payments) SSI, general assistance, Food Stamps, WIC, free/subsidized school lunch, public/rent subsidized housing, and Medicaid. The biggest difference in program use is for Medicaid and food aid programs. For state governments, Medicaid is a particular worry because between one-third to one-half of the program’s costs are on average borne by state taxpayers for the growing number of children, either borne to illegal parents or smuggled across the border, or remaining undetected in the Mother’s womb. The traitors have drafted a law that will give these criminals all a Path to Citizenship, while honest immigrants sit at home in some foreign country sometimes for years waiting to be processed. The gang of 8, is about to sign a financial death warrant, because all these 11 million to 25 million plus illegal aliens, who can later sponsor their aging parents will need welfare, health care and a place to live. According to the reputable Conservative “Think Tank” giving a legitimized path to stay in America will cost us $2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS by the time they have been processed and assigned a Social Security number. Even with that breathless amount of money the hordes that enter America daily is costing the state’s $113 Billion dollars annually, that taxpayers are given the bill. The only winners in this mockery of our “Rule of Laws” are the profit takers, corporations, agriculture who pay nothing for their upkeep. Visas for top skilled workers should be tightly scrutinized and manual Guest labor should be regulated and must leave when their visa runs out. Right now both skilled workers are poorly officially organized and illegal Guest Workers not at all? When the illegal immigration is ignored as it has for decades, the “Cause and effect” is THE DREAM ACT, FAMILY CHAIN MIGRATION, SANCTUARY CITIES and millions of more illegal immigrants feeding off the working taxpayer.

jhon