-1 vote

I Am Probably Out Of Here

All those times I tried to tell people "have a thick skin," and "don't take it personally," when someone attacked their religious beliefs (or lack thereof) or attacked them personally because they didn't agree with something they said, well it turns out I just hadn't been hit hard enough in the gut to understand.

I have been called a "close minded right winger" as well as a "communist" on this forum. I have had people attack me for not being a "true Christian" as well as attack me for being a "theo-slave." I have been attacked for being an "anarchist" as well as been attacked for being a "statist". Those attacks were all well and good, they didn't phase me a bit.

But now I can no longer participate on this forum, because I've been attacked where it hurts the most, you've insulted my wife, who is a consistent libertarian (more consistent, I might add, than the people attacking her) because she is in a financial position where she must use a government health care program to survive. Although she is on medicaid she believes in repealing the program, as well as the entire welfare state apparatus. That doesn't matter to you, you know who you are, you people down voted my request to not refer to her as a "leech." I said not one word that was anti-liberty, but you saw fit to be hypocrites who use government roads, government student loans, and government Social Security retirement payments, but believe your government program use is morally acceptable while hers is not.

Here is a link to my comment, if any one wishes to read it. You may decide for yourself whether or not you wish to condemn me:

http://www.dailypaul.com/282033/obamacare-imploding#comment-...

I don't like hypocrisy, whether in myself or others, and when it is a mean spirited hypocrisy, it is even worse. My wife Violet means everything to me, and you hypocrites have thrust a dagger through my heart by insulting her. I can't take it anymore. It is a waste of time trying to teach good will to people who wish to hate.

My thanks to the consistent anti-statists reedr3v, dabooda, and wolfe, and the true loving Christian bear, who have all treated me with kindness and respect even when we disagreed.

I may come back when I have cooled down, but right now, it is better that I work harder toward my family's survival instead of wasting time on people who desire to hate.



Trending on the Web

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

The worst part about this post

is that the OP has the audacity to feel entitled to other people's property. If in a similar situation maybe I would go on medicaid. I don't know, I'm not there. But god damn it I would feel ashamed of using the government to forcefully take from others for my benefit.

What the hell is this sense of entitlement? God Damn leaches!!!!

And where the hell is the gratitude for taking what is not yours???

Yes, you're a god damn leach. Don't like it then quit stealing from others then telling them too f'ing bad!!

I feel entitled to take back from that which takes from me

The fact that your sputtering (and illiterate) name calling is reaching fever pitch suggests you're a red state troll.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

I don't owe you anything

but you are justifying taking from me. Sorry, but you're the troll.

No, the STATE takes from you

I defend survival, and I defend taking what is offered by the state in order to survive. That's not the same as endorsing the state's taxation of you.

Once you wise up to the fact that it is the STATE, and not your neighbors, that poses the threat to you and your liberty and your property, the sooner we can work together to reign in the state instead of arguing about nonsense.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

I believe in abolishing these programs

Do you use government roads? Then by your own standards, you're a leach. What gives you the right to demand other people's property? At least I'm consistent and wish government roads abolished. I believe in a tax rate of zero? How about you?

consistent. LOL

"give me that medicaid and I don't care if you can afford the taxes. you owe it to me."

Sorry, I don't owe you shit. Especially, when you are so arrogant that you wouldn't even ask first. Just demand I pay up.

Sad you can justify theft so easily and have the balls to complain about your treatment when people object to the theft.

Parasite

Seems like...

...you guys agree on more than you disagree. Why is the vitriol necessary?

I'm not kind or understanding towards people that justify theft

I won't hold any punches towards those that wrap sympathy and guilt around what is theft.

You both...

...agree that the government programs should be ended, and you just said that if you found yourself in the same situation, you're not sure you wouldn't take medicaid -- so rather than bashing a brother in Liberty and his wife as leeches, why not speak truth in Love and discuss positive ways to achieve the goal you have in common? Nothing wrong with a debate, of course -- but do you have to sound like he's your worst enemy on the face of the earth to have a debate?

The OP may have similar views

however, he continues with his attitude that medicaid is owed to him and anyone that objects to that attitude is somehow less deserving of the property that is being taken to provide it. As I said, if I had no other choice but to take it I would most certainly be ashamed of myself knowing that I was using the government to steal on my behalf. And I would certainly feel gratitude to anyone who paid taxes. The OP has no sense of what he demands. No shame, no gratitude. Only weak justifications for theft and no guilt for perpetuating this system.

sorry could you expand upon

sorry could you expand upon how medicaid is exclusive only to certain classes of people that qualify and what property it is exactly thats being stolen? im a little confused...

are those real questions?

medicaid is only available to low income people. Essentially welfare. I am not eligible. But I pay for it with my money (my property) through forced tax collections (ie theft).

i agree with you perhaps in

i agree with you perhaps in some ideological way, but the reality is, you exist in, and utitlize the system, and therefore voluntary concede to providing those funds through your participation. you can feel angry about it (as i feel everyone should) but the people stealing your wealth are not welfare recips, but rather central tax authorities. but again you could never actually claim theft because your participation implies your consent. Its the sad reality but getting angry at the less fortunate (and yes bulked in that category are the 'mooches') will get you or your argument nowhere.

So Ayn Rand and Alan

So Ayn Rand and Alan Greenspan are two of the biggest leaches around?

One made books with the philosophy you describe, and than went on government assistance, and 400,000 thousand copies of her book is given away altruistically each year, foisted on unsuspecting high school students not yet able to discern sophistry from true discussion.

And Alan Greenspan is of course the biggest leach in the world as head of the federal reserve for an enormous number of years.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

what's your point?

I never said I supported or had anything to do with them.

you presume too much

I presumed nothing. I asked

I presumed nothing. I asked a question. You still haven't answered it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

quit with the word games

your question was assuming something and you damn well know it.

I gave you the facts so you

I gave you the facts so you couldn't claim you didn't know their backgrounds; now that you know their backgrounds you can't evade the question.

Is Ayn Rand and Alan Greenspan two of the biggest leeches and hypocrites around?

I won't keep asking. You're simply evading a direct question about exactly the subject you claim to be talking about.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Why waste my time with irrelevant questions?

I don't know any details on the history of Ayn Rand or Alan Greenspan and would not take your word for it that the background presented was accurate. So it is a dumb question intended to get a response you hope to get. Well too bad. Ask that question to someone that cares.

Being head of the federal

Being head of the federal reserve, costing tends and hundreds of trillions of dollars, and in direct violation of my contract that the government not use paper money as a legal tender is not being a leech?

Distributing a philosophy that has destroyed the liberty movement for decades, whose own works says that a bad philosophy can destroy generations, while doing the exact opposite, and going on welfare and accepting handouts - because good books don't need to paid for to get readers to read them, or forced on high school students that can't avoid them, is NOT being a leech?

If these two are not leeches, that has cost the entire world countless amounts in phony money and phony philosophy, don't count with you, then you have no reason to complain about someone that is not counting you more than a 1000th million of a cent.

Mountains and mole-holes. You are straining at gnats to swallow camels, and the intent of this entire exercise in nonsense. Get a real hobby. The system has been messed up by people exactly like you - hypocrites to the extreme. Get a life. Produce something. This isn't it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

the systems has been advanced

by those that continue to use it and demand more of it like the OP. He is responsible for the continuation of this system. Your nonsense about dead people and an almost dead person is irrelevant. The OP is the problem and you are too by being an enabler.

You are likely an agent

You are likely an agent, and are regardless enabling the system.

You constantly strain at gnats, basically poor people that are being forced into it, and overall make a small % of government expensives, while you let the biggest crooks get away.

You have not once said they are crooks or are leaches on this thread.

I have asked you multiple times if they are leeches. Your refusal to answer doesn't mean you just unintentionally enable it. By all criteria, you are an agent. It's your intention. Make sure no one questions the banking system. Make sure no one questions who is behind you.

Focus the problem on people they are harming instead, keep them busy.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

And by the way, you're an idiot

Your fatal flaw, and I suspect one that you believed before they recruited you, is that the system is running on votes, and therefore everyone who votes is responsible for it in some way.

The system is running on money, and the cabal that prints the most phony money is controlling the system, not people.

So run and get your paycheck, or go back to your childhood, and see if you really believed that lie or just accepted it to get back at the people around you.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I feel sorry for you

so confused and full of yourself. You know nothing of me and make outlandish assumptions. What a fool.

My opinion of you is simply

My opinion of you is simply based on what you said, refusing to answer simple questions, and how you treated someone else.

I don't need to know anything else about you. I don't want to know anything else about you.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I answered your question

you just didn't like the answer. that is your problem not mine

Impressive

you have been able to pack such a big ego into such a small mind.

Insult jabs don't impress me

Insult jabs don't impress me as having anything to say.

Conversation is over with. You have nothing to say. I sincerely hope you change, but I don't need you to do so. You are simply someone I no longer will talk to.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

The movement takes hold.

The first thing for movements are gatekeepers, often paid troublemakers.

Some are paid to gather a team of gatekeepers. Atheism seems to be used promote the most reactionary gatekeepers.

Perhaps Christianity does damper more virulent commentary for those hearts touched.

Then they're the statists versus the anarchists. Totally emotional battles with out philosophical arguments or nuance.

There's a handbook and a pay scale.

Divisive issues. How to give your forum wedgies using fear, uncertainty and despair.

Commentators who did not feed the state have no complaint.

Commentators who volunteered to feed the state have no complaint.

Some complainers disguise themselves as commentators.

Free includes debt-free!

That guy that criticized your

That guy that criticized your girlfriend may have filled his tank with gas this week. The price of gas is artificially low thanks to the war and colonization of the Middle East. That to me is a leech.