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whew! glad I got that out of my system...

..that was yesterday!!![ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HySI1B20vqw ]
Sorry if you missed it...my point of view wasn't very popular...oh well...

Back to the grind ...



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Quit being so stupid. Show

Quit being so stupid. Show proof that the DHS hasn't taken significant delivery or that they don't intend to. Maybe the whole reason they are soliciting massive amounts of ammo is just to get AJ worked up? It can't possibly be because they are trying to keep control when the ponzi financial system cracks wide open?

Why the monster gun grab all of a sudden?

Go read the military's document 'Internment and Resettlement Operations'. All made up stuff?

I'll loan you a calculator since you're having trouble putting 2 + 2 together.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

You want me to prove a

You want me to prove a negative? You obviously have no idea how this logic stuff works. :)

"The rounds aren't even

"The rounds aren't even bought, they're just guaranteed prices for up to that many rounds."...

You make statements you can't prove. You have no idea how many rounds they have taken delivery of. They aren't just soliciting prices, they are acquiring ammo.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

So that is something you can

So that is something you can prove. Prove they took delivery. Prove your accusations.

Your second lesson in logic: you can prove a positive.

Next, that wasn't my only statement. You said my statements were false but demonstrated only one statement which you accused of being false.

Do you deny that the 'tanks' aren't tanks?

Oh...sorry... Mine Resistant


Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicle with gunports? Does that make you feel better?



“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

You mean armored troop

You mean armored troop transports.... see, cause the word you guys use is tanks. Big difference....


Armored Truck:

So, have you figured out when someone made 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and sent it to DHS yet? Or have you actually read the source material from the op/ed's you posted and learned that they may purchase these rounds over the next 6 years... might.

here's another 'armored troop

here's another 'armored troop transport'...AKA...'armored personnel carrier'...


How dare someone refer to it as a tank!

Yes...I understand the difference in a Sherman tank and a armored personnel carrier. Both are war machines and neither should be used in a civilized society.

Next, you can explain the difference between the great white shark and a tiger shark. I can't wait! While you can explain the differences...I'll continue to call both of them sharks.

You keep hoping and thinking they 'might' purchase.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Dude... the one I posted is

Dude... the one I posted is the one they actually acquired from the Marines.

The one you posted has nothing to do with nothing.

Also, Sherman tanks are the ones my grandpa drove in WWII. M1A1's are a whole new level.... the Starship Enterprise of tanks.

here are the gun doors

here are the gun doors opened...


It's armor plated, has massive cannons shooting from all sides, and a machine gunner up top.

I posted earlier another carrier. You act like these carriers are Toyota Tundra crew cabs or something...they are all machines of war. Many sites and sources refer to them as light duty tanks...even members of Congress.

Thanks for the lesson on tanks though. It's great to come across people as knowledgeable as you.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Its misleading the way you

Its misleading the way you all usuall present it. A tank could drive over one of these and not even take damage. The truth doesnt seem as bad after you exaggerate. Thats the problem

You think that myself and

You think that myself and others ridiculously overstate the capabilities of these machines by referring to them as 'tanks'...and I think you ridiculously understate their capabilities by simply calling them 'troop transports'. I don't see a transport vehicle with a need to have cannons so wide your fist can fit in them....or ANY type of artillery mounted on or in them for that matter.

I wish you luck as you continue to trust and believe in your government. You're going to need it.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

So now I actually even doubt

So now I actually even doubt they exist... it seems that DHS has 16 of them and they went to ICE. The rest of the retrofit order is likely going to the army reserves. Apparently, DHS doesnt even have enough personnel to maintain 3000 of these, let alone use them.

Some are going to police.

Im not thrilled about it but it's not 3000 tanks. It seems to be 16 armored trucks.

There are different kinds of Libertarians

But populists are NOT Libertarians. Just calling themselves one does not make them such. Alex Jones does NOT want free-market capitalism (same as Blue Republicans.) He does NOT understand that under free-market capitalism banks will get their gold and power back, secret societies will get their real secrecy, Jews will be more prosperous, etc.

Alex Jones populists milk Libertarian name as Oathkeepers milk taxpayers via police trade unions.

Why so many downvotes?

Fact: Alex Jones has done more to inform people about hidden stories and agendas than most via investigative journalism and activism. These are some among other positive attributes.

Fact: Alex Jones has done more to limit the acceptance of the liberty/truther message than most via undue emotionality, a visible lack of listening capabilities (constantly cuts off guests in mid speech), and a generally cavalier persona. These are some among other negative attributes.

These two facts are non mutually exclusive - they are both true at the same time.

So why all the downvotes?

In PatriotsUnderGod's post I see a number of legitimate complaints. To boil those complaints down, Alex Jones, from my own perspective, has made my job in convincing others about the importance of questioning official government accounts of history etc., considerably more difficult. Alex Jones would ideally be more cautious, thoughtful, considerate, deliberative, scientific, agreeable, presentable... HOWEVER that's not who he is, and it would be unfair to discredit the good work he has done just because of the bad work he's done.
But, let's not discredit the opinions of PatriotsUnderGod, myself, and countess others who recognize the obstacle that Alex Jones has created for the liberty/truth movement by diminishing our credibility to some extent. I sometimes wonder if the individuals who are compelled to downvote or otherwise diminish these legitimate concerns are falling into the same trap of undying trust for a figure like Alex Jones that we see so often with other charismatic leaders?

adam t

are you a masochist?

Because otherwise I don't understand this post.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

I chose not to watch

a long time ago. Every time I did listen to him I heard the same things you did. The fear, the megalomania... all of it. I don't mind if other people listen to him, or if he brings people to see the light. I just think that not every huge incident is a false flag, and a lot of it is just fear mongering. I also don't care that I will receive down votes for this post, or any other post for that matter. People died and had their lives changed yesterday. This is definitely a time to come together and be proactive. On the point of Alex Jones' predictive power, it is clearly a sham. If I am always saying that some big event or false flag will happen in the next six months it is bound to happen in some form.

-Matthew Good

Alex Jones...

Has awakened more people than ANYONE...And that includes Dr. Paul...

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!


Good one... that WAS a joke, right?


You were serious?

Well, ****.

Alex Jones has "awakened" more people than RON PAUL?! Alex Jones is only notable because people like Ron Paul - who don't do things like surround a nugget of truth with a load of speculation - get other people to think for themselves. Jones is so out there that if it weren't for sane people, few people would be open-minded enough to critically examine Jones' material.

Upvoting this thread because Jones exhibited no sympathy for the victims at all; premise of the thread is spot on.

I'm 100%...

Dead serious...And Alex Jones is notable...Is what you should have said...Not...Alex Jones is only notable because people like Ron Paul -
Bottom line is...Alex Jones is notable, and relevant, and in the war for Liberty...And he did more today than you or I will be able to do help the Liberty cause...And I can only blame myself for that...Alex has been able to make the case of tyranny and its effects on Liberty across many more social barriers than most, and yes I include Dr. Paul in that group...I'm not saying he is half the man as Dr. Paul...I'm just saying AJ is a real force in the war on tyranny, and an asset accomplishing more to awaken others than ANYONE else has been yet...And no...Alex Jones didn't become notable because of people like Ron Paul...He is notable due to hard work, an annoying delivery, and a shitload of painful truth..

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!



adam t

I personally

can't stand John Stossel. I can't say why, I just don't like him. So when I see a post with his name in it.... guess what, I just skip it.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

stop crrying like a little b

"I can't win neo-cons over because we're tied to HIM; seems like a script and another moat in front of the castle to me...I've gotten some die-hard Republican voters to say "yeah, building 7 collapse looks suspicious", but they WON'T be associated with anything than is Alex Jones related! We need their votes for Ron Paul inspired Liberty candidates, thanks Alex!"

We need their votes
We need their votes
We need their votes

all of our little votes don't matter and never did.... haven't you figured it out yet, the media will never let anyone of real Significance be run as president ,

rove was right , they control the narrative and they tell us how it is to be.

thanks for you crappy p crybaby post

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL


we don't need their votes, we need their minds. We need them to wake up. Alex Jones has helped and hurt that process.

I, for one, am glad that someone posted some legitimate concerns about the obstacles that Alex Jones has created for messaging efforts stemming from the Liberty movement. I mean, it's gotten so bad that a growing number of people actually think Jones works in psy-ops for Israeli intelligence! I'm not making any such claim - just pointing out the extent to which Jones has hurt messaging efforts coming from the liberty/truth movement.

Again, I'm glad we're here in this forum discussing the issue, and I want to thank PatriotsUnderGod for submitting something much more than a "crappy p crybaby post".

adam t

Can't agree at all. I love Alex Jones. Here's who makes me ill:

Glenn Beck
Mark Levin
Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Medved
Hillary Clinton
John McCain
Lyndsey Graham
Nancy Pelosi
Chuch Schumer
Ed Schultz
Rachael Maddow
DICK Cheney
DICK Morris
FOX News

WHY would you bash one of the few truthful people in the media?

I don't get it.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul


Truthful!?!?! The guy makes up shit and spouts it as truth. He is as bad as half the people on that list.

know what AJ has in common

know what AJ has in common with all of these people? They all make a lot of fkin money.

and the 'steins'.... the

and the 'steins'....

the piece of trash Feinstein and Larry 'Pull it' Silverstein.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Why attack each other???

Isnt it the usual story - this guy is attacking AJ who is trying to do something to wake people up. AJ has done more for the liberty movement than this guy ranting away in his car. Stop attacking people in the liberty movement and get in with the task of restoring America. There is more that unites than divides us - REMEMBER THAT.

Hell yeah

I love your last sentence. People have got to stop falling for divide and conquer. It will be too late when most find out our government is no different then any other oppressive government in history.


Why stay silent?

Not to be redundant, but I posted earlier about the fact that AJ has simultaneously done more to help and more to hurt the liberty movement than most people. I think it's proper to bring to light the ways in which he has hurt our messaging efforts, and 'PatriotsUnderGod' has given it a go. No one would argue that Alex Jones, with a huge audience, has not done more to wake people up than 'PatriotsUnderGod' has done. But consider the fact, also, that 'PatriotsUnderGod' and most of us here at the DP have done far less damage than Alex Jones has to the integrity and credibility of our message and efforts to disseminate truth.

Critical, independant thinkers as we are, it should come naturally to give Jones a fair shake before ignoring reasonable concerns such as those highlighted by PatriotsUnderGod.

adam t