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Women and Beauty


It is sad to me, the way humans focus on the physical attributes of women. The sacred role of "mother" has been disgraced, now a wife is expected to have a baby then slip back into her size zero "skinny jeans" in a week, be back on the job in two weeks, and have a permanent "come hither" look tattooed on her face. The expectations have become so ridiculous that now women just assume they are ugly, it seems.

Ladies of the DP, I think you are absolutely friggin' BEAUTIFUL, even if you have warts on your nose, ears that flap in the breeze and a butt that does, too. That love of liberty just looks damn fine on you!

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you watch the NCAAW Bball Tourney?

come on now, it's not that nasty!

"If you must know, I'm getting botox done on my balls to get these wrinkles out." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sn1RUjbL1g

I supect that the biggest difference...

... is that women in developing countries spend, on average, many more years breast-feeding than women in developed countries do.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

bras cause cancer, i heard.

bras cause cancer, i heard.


My article on The family grown by the FED, defined by the state

TITLE: From Coverture to Coureageousness

From covert-baron to coureageous, women of the colonial period America through the 20th century inhabited a universe by which natural laws were valued by a divine patriarch. Since the middle ages, womens' actions were hardly actions at all under the law and most married women's economic or politican actions were pegged to the intent of their husbands. In the late 1700's, if a married woman was injured and sought damages upon a court, an action under the law lacked standing for such women until consent of the claimants husband was first obtained. If the wife chose to rebel against her husbands intent and fulfill economical actions for herself all such actions were voidable by her husband. Upon recourse, a court was insidious enough to investigate the actions of women to ensure the husband played no part; an investigation demoralizing the character of women at the expense of the family. What's worst, a husband could be legally obligated to correct the misbehavior of his wife in the same moderation he is allowed to correct his servants. Domestice chastisement was encouraged by the early colonial state.

Women were considered covert-baron, under the protection and influence of their lord husband. Most states during the ravages of slavery sought to ethnically cleanse the stewardship of slaves by passing acts designed to clarify what is a slave. These acts implied that, upon intermarrying, slaves will come from the women, not the man. Maryland's legislature chose to express their intent to resolve the issue by claiming all woman who intermarry with any slave shall serve the master of her slave husband and all kids born of such free-born women, shall be slaves as their fathers were. These laws enundated the south and further chastised a long felt subordinate role for woman in the American household.

Despite a long history of subjogating women to the constitution of men, historians are still debating whether women carried their inferior status from England to the colonies without normative changes to reproach the issue. Richard Morris, a historian in the 20th century, concluded in his "Studies in the History of American Law", that the economic and social conditions of the colonial period effectuated change to free women from the bonds of English common law. Morris wrote that an action for alimony separate from a suit for judicial separation alowed a married woman to be protected from cruelty and abuse by her husband and enforced humane paternalism for the first time. Many historians would disagree, arguing that when the court proscribed abuse by the husband, the court still enjoined the wife to live with an abusive husband. Many historians would argue real changes to the status of women did not occur until the 18th and 19th centuries.

Marylenn Salmon, in her study "Women and the Law of Property in Early America", stipulated that the role of women during the 17th to 19th century was one of enforced dependence. Salmon exclaimed only at limited times and circumstances did a wife gain partial control over her family's estate while males held the power to manage his own property as well as his wife's. Salmon's view is a repercussion to generalizations made by men like William Blackstones in his essay "Women in the eyes of the law", where he set out to clarify and justify intrusions into a women's capacity as a citizen. Blackstones essay was likely warranted as a judicial response to the Feme-Sole Traders Acts that gained ground in support for a wife's right to exigently manage her husbands estate. As much as early male officials preferred to clarify the fundamentality of a women's status as so different than a mans, womens rights groups in the middle of the industrial revolution were equal to voice their concerns.

A group of widows in New York, in an anonymous letter to the editor of the New York Gazette, wrote disparangingly that there exists atleast some measure for which widows contribute to the support of government, and that such widows ought to be entitled to some of the sweets of government. The letter went on to outline the subtle aspects of male-dominated networks and how widows can network with just as much vigor as men and stand just as tenacious as men in the heat of battle.

During the outbreak of the American Revolution colonialism was rife with a spiritually-oriented protest against the king. Cunning men from New York to Virginia became warriors, under the law, to strike bayonets in the hearts of englishmen. The revolution was spilt with the blood of men, as most revolts are. The bravery and honor of men in these times of war are admirable only for other men whilst women knitted away bullet holes from the vests of male patriots. Only in times of a real renaissance such as the era ending the industrial revolution in the middle of the 19th century could women address the manevolance of the patriarch by spilling the ideas of oppression equal to the blood of their protestant forefathers.

Conditions of the industrial landscape were carved out so the traditional family became more dependent on the market itself rather than the land. Agrarianship in rural areas became replaced with working machines capable of mass production. Labor and goods raced to the cities where speculators were abound. Urban environments cluttered with people unionized under the banner of assembly lines. Children were born out of markets alien to the family and thus became wholly dependent upon the labor of their parents. Husbands and wives were separated by industry into their capacity for labor and only when pressed upon these conditions did the nuclear family emerge. Against this pressure of scarcity, the new industrial model of family constructed an unprecedented pedestal for women to push their legal status.

The Panic of 1837 sparked a cultural change among women. Women groups organized more so than ever before to protest economic uncertainty. In 1848, at Seneca Falls, Elizabeth Stanton and Lucretia Mott organized a convention for which, drawing parallels from the declaration of independence, the two women contrived their sentiments to the patriarch and his unduly reign over gender. Outlining how this patriarch has never allowed women to exercise the first right of a citizen, nor elective franchise. The women go on to list how the patriarch positions females in subordination to males whether in church, in state, in commerce, or even history itself. Stanton and Mott go on in great detail over different aspects of a woman's legal status in relation to men, noting how false public sentiment has been sustained by designing a different code of morals for men and women.

The Seneca Falls declaration was followed by judicial and legislative actions to recognize the fallacies inherit in 19th century jurisprudence. The New York Married Women's Property Acts protected women from spendthrift husbands who forced the family into insolvency. The New York act sought to establish for the first time, separate property for women not commingled into marriage, would be exempt from the debts of the husband. These acts began pushing the new pedestal for womens legal status into contemporary history providing substrate for equity in wives' treatment.

Enforcing equality with men was still amiss. In the supreme court case of Bradwell v. Illinois, Bradwell argued for a women's admission to the bar as a citizen under the fourteenth amendment. Bradwell contended admissions are regulated by the State of the person who requires a license to practice law and such state is bound by the privileges and immunities clause in Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution. Justice Miller, speaking for the courts in an 8 to 1 majority, trunkated the privileges and immunites of citizens from their respective state with a oppresive interpretation of the Slaughterhouse cases. In Minor v. Happersett, the supreme court continued to refuse a women's privileges and immunities in protecting a womens right to suffrage; a testiment to the idea that women had yet to truly declare independence from the king. The case of Susan B. Anthony in 1873 represented the spiritual transformation necessary for the women suffrage movement when Madam Anthony stated "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.".

This case sparked a movement among the growing classes of industrial era feminists to advocate for the right of suffrage until the final ratification of the nineteenth amendment in 1920. Subsequent to the passage of the nineteenth amendment, women have retained nearly equal access to all legislative spheres, juidicial spheres, while lacking progress in executive spheres. In 2013, women continue to press for equal access to modern technologies in forming their entreprenuerships. From coverture to coureageousness, the stoic bravery of past female voices will continue to crack the glass ceiling of the workplace until all people are we the people.

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. -Henry Ford

Nice Piece

Nice piece by Dove. It would probably be the exact opposite if the subjects were men, lol.

A government big enough to provide you with everything you need is powerful enough to take everything away (from you).

The message in the ad is good

The message in the ad is good but be weary of Dove. Unilever is the parent company that owns dove and also owns the AXE line of products that are known for the most lowbrow hypersexualized ads I have ever seen.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

when i was in college, the

when i was in college, the fact that me and my room mate were using axe deodorant drove up the appeal from girls. their very words were "ooooh axe". and they weren't making light of the commercial ads, they were actually buying into the television progamming.

what planet did i land on ?



of course, i'm sure the axe

of course, i'm sure the axe deodorant probably has bad ingredients anyways.


i couldn't watch but 3

i couldn't watch but 3 minutes of it, haha.

everything just reaffirms my celibacy. these dumb b*tches get to vote and take away my freedoms, haha


thank you, fishy--

I sent this to some beautiful women I know who do not think they are--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

not a controlled test

To be controlled, the artist shouldn't have been able to know anything about the test or that the participants were sometimes describing themselves and sometimes describing strangers. He should have simply been incentivized to draw as accurately as possible. Probably should have been multiple artists too. Participant selection also needs to be controlled/randomized. The participants should have been incentivized to be as accurate as possible, to prevent them from being modest and describing themselves inaccurately negatively.

Feels a lot like the people who set up this test started with a premise and then asked the question: "how can we show that the premise is true?" vs "is the premise true?".

Funny thing is the premise probably IS true...which is all the more reason to set up a fair test.

Paleo diet

If women (and men) were eating the paleo way, it wouldn't be any problem to fit into "skinny" jeans... stop eating the simple carbs... eat as much fat as you want, although make sure it is organic, because animals store toxins in their fat, including any stress chemicals they had during their lives.

As for beauty, it comes from functionality... that's why a tiger is beautiful, because it is functional. A wart is not beautiful, that is just pandering.. a wart is not functional. In fact, it is actually caused by a virus, a parasite, kind of like bankers... bankers are not beautiful.

But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem,

weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Reality check

It made me think about when you hear your voice on a recording for the first time.. "That's me?" It's a reality check. It was really interesting seeing how the forensic artist protraied the women.. who were very natural.. any make up was "natural", I think the sponsor, "Dove", wanted to show the complexions of naturally beautiful women who need to work on the inner beauty.

I like the concept, only wish they had included men, because the self perception is is true, especially with bald men..


Thank you fishy...

this has also been on my mind as of late too. I turned 50 last August and it is hard to adjust to changes you simply can not control. Thank God for a wonderful husband who sees beyond the physical.

We are so much more than our outward appearance - and unfortunately our society refuses to acknowledge that and it is definitely effecting the attitudes of both genders. Parents need to teach their sons and daughters that beauty is far more that what one sees on the surface.

I always liked this Scripture:

Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel— rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.

1 Peter 3:3-4

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Ladies of DP...

You are indeed beautiful people. My wife is one of the smartest and most magnificent persons I have ever encountered and no matter what curve balls life throws her she will always be that way to me. She is my best friend.

That being said I feel like this is the perfect opportunity to announce that we found out she is pregnant last Tuesday. She is only like 3 weeks prego so we have not told anybody yet. My friends on the DP are the first to know. Thanks for the post Fishy!

congratulations, indeed!


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--


After my first child, I was pretty bummed out - I had stretch marks from my neck to my knees, and I had done all the "right" things to avoid them. I felt just hideous, could not understand how my husband could even stand to sleep with me and those hideous stretch marks. He wrote me a poem, that is still stuffed between the pages of the Bible. I don't recall it all from memory, but the what sticks with me was how he described the way he saw me: Having lace on my skin, a beauty mark that traced the path that his first born child followed to come into his arms. You be good to your sweet wife like that, and 34 years later she will still be crazy in love with you.... but...
I think you already know that. :)

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Your husband

is a lucky man Fishy.

:) And I am a blessed woman.

When I married him, I thought he was a lucky man, too. ;) Seriously, I turned heads in my youth, my husband was a logger. Shaggy beard, still stained with chainsaw oil fresh out of the shower, he never cared if his socks matched... I was from a well to do little town, and although my family was not rich, we were "well respected." I have something of a "pedigree," he is the grandson of Dust bowl Okies. I was pretty proud of me for getting past "all that" and I had more than one man ask me why I married "that guy."
Well, we have been together almost twice as long as we were apart, as children before we met. Now the shoe is on the other foot. He is an employed man - that is VERY attractive to most women these days. He aged pretty well, still fit and trim, and if you re smart enough to get his humor, he is incredibly funny... I am just a "middle aged woman." Now he gets hit on... but he does not even notice. Silly man looks at me and still sees this 17 year old hottie.... I am a blessed woman.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

My wife is now 52

When we met she (nor I) had a liberty look. Now she is GLOWING with the the look and love of LIBERTY...and she's BEAUTIFUL!

Like fishy has mentioned before...it would be HARD to be in a marriage if one partner understood Freedom and Liberty and the other remained locked into the matrix. I woke up before my wife but she is now wide awake too. Even my 23 year old daughter is FINALLY waking up!

You Have To Forgive Them Fishy!

It is all part of the original sin back when Adam disobeyed God and listened to the woman. Ever since that hour men have been following women around thinking they are God..

Look, but don't touch, touch but don't taste..

It can be a little confusing for some people..


Have a great day fishy!

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Thank you fishy for this start to my day.


Oh jeez, this kind of talk. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but generally having a look of just giving up (getting and staying fat after pregnancy) is a direct indication of what is on the inside. To me it's just a female who has completed the last stages of trapping a man in a situation. You usually see the females who have children outside of marriage (accidents) get fat. People with traditional family structures who got married and then planned to have children usually tend to have attractive skinny wives. Warts have nothing to do with that, but weight always does. If when pretending an ugly chick is beautiful you try to make it also about what's on the inside, you're delusional.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Obviously you are one of

Obviously you are one of those people who judge others based on their looks. When you love someone, they always look beautiful to you. My hubby and I have been married 26 years now, and even though it's been over a quarter of a century, he still makes my heart sing, and it still brings tears to my eyes when I think of how lucky I am to have married this man. Best of all HE thinks I'm beautiful! Someday I hope you find a woman who loves you as much as I love my husband. Then perhaps you'll see that beauty really is all about character. Your looks are fleeting, but your character, your deeds and your humor define you as a human being.


How is it judgement to call

How is it judgement to call someone ugly on the outside? I said nothing relating to it having to do with their inner content. What I did say is that it's retarded to consider a butt person beautiful just because they are nice on the inside. I'm one of these people who can't be attracted to some fat slob just because they may be nice. I hope I never find someone. I'm not looking, and never will. Relationships (of any type) aren't for me and I'm uncomfortable with anything sexual or naked. I'm a ugly person on the outside, and probably uglier inside. I don't need to drag anyone down with me. I'm only for freedom for selfish reasons.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

That was awesome!

Well, it was really sad but your write-up was fabulous, fishyculture.

Hey Fishy,

I remember when my nipples were closer to my nose than my toes, but hey, any living, breathing, working body is an incredible miracle. A gift. So what if it doesn't meet the expectations of the Lads Mags, and the Girly Magazines...every day, my working body amazes me.

My sister sent me a 30th birthday card

assuring me that nipples and kneecaps look fabulous together... lol! (The reward for a lifetime membership in the IBTC - mine will never travel past my navel... if I live to be 1,000 - and yet when I bore children, they functioned perfectly. Weird.)

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.