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Why You NEED more than 7rds: It took a trained SWAT 17rds of .45acp to stop One Sober Assailant!

Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

By Charles Remsberg
April 17, 2013

Before the call that changed Sergeant Timothy Gramins’ life forever, he typically carried 47 rounds of handgun ammunition on his person while on duty

Today, he carries 145, “every day, without fail.”

He detailed the gunfight that caused the difference in a gripping presentation at the annual conference of the Assn. of SWAT Personnel-Wisconsin.

At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

The most threatening encounter in Gramins’ nearly two-decade career with the Skokie (Ill.) PD north of Chicago came on a lazy August afternoon prior to his promotion to sergeant, on his first day back from a family vacation. He was about to take a quick break from his patrol circuit to buy a Star Wars game at a shopping center for his son’s eighth birthday.

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but you know...

gangbangers 'NEVER' attack us mere peons with same weapons, out of a car, in public, driven to a shootout.

nah... never happens.

only in movies....


Also the SWAT sniper and instructor now carries 9mm Glock 17, instead of Glock 21 in .45ACP.

as I always say, with modern ammo, caliber wars are irrelevant, plus, no one ever complained about having more BB's.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul