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CONFIRMED: Identity of the Men In Black and Khaki Uniforms at the Boston Marathon Bombings

Update 3: This article confirms that the 1st, 13th, and 24th CSTs are in fact the men in black and khaki: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/freedom-...

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Update 2: Pictures of current members of the Massachusetts National Guard's 1st Civil Support Team

http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1389663/Photo-Release-Un...

http://states.ng.mil/sites/MA/News/PublishingImages/2012/04/...

Some of these men look to be the same guys spotted in the Boston Marathon photos.

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Update: According to this article from the Air National Guard site: http://www.ang.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123344967

"The Massachusetts team was on duty during the running of the Boston marathon, augmented by similar civil support teams from the New York and Rhode Island National Guards."

So it would appear that the CST team on duty during the explosion was the Massachusetts Army National Guard's 1st Civil Support Team, augmented by New York's 24th CST and Rhode Island's 13th CST.

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They are the New York Army National Guard's 24th Civil Support Team. Massachusetts Army National Guard's 1st Civil Support Team, augmented by New York's 24th CST and Rhode Island's 13th CST.

"A Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil Support Team (WMD-CST or CST) advises civilian responders in the event of a suspected weapon of mass destruction attack. CSTs are federally funded National Guard units established under Presidential Decision Directive 39. There are 57 fulltime teams: one in every U.S. state, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, Guam and the US Virgin Islands, and an additional team each in California, Florida and New York."

Here are more photos of them: http://imgur.com/a/YrTOK

Here is a photo of some of them wearing vests identifying them as CST: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2013/apr/15/boston-m...

The vehicles they are using are identical to those used by other Army National Guard CSTs as well, as can be seen here: http://www.oregon.gov/OMD/pressrelease/2010/feb/2-22/100222-...

http://www.oregon.gov/omd/pages/pressrelease/2010/02-22-10pr...

http://www.dvidshub.net/image/391311/6th-civil-support-team-...

Here is picture of one of the vehicles as seen in this .PDF about CST operations (http://armypubs.army.mil/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/fm3_11x22...): http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/advon-team.jpg

As for their use of non-standard uniforms instead of the Army Combat Uniform, here are earlier pictures from 2011 and 2012 of CST members wearing khaki and black: http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=22521 , http://www.idaho.ang.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123259663 , http://dmva.alaska.gov/content/galleria/Alaska%20National%20... , http://www.dvidshub.net/image/391361/6th-civil-support-team-... , http://www.army.mil/media/235471 , http://www.nationalguard.mil/news/archives/2010/09/090210-CS... , and http://www.army.mil/article/78045/

Here at the marathon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2013/apr/15/boston-m...

Here on duty in Washington D.C.: http://www.idaho.ang.af.mil/news/story_print.asp?id=123237536

Here in black and Khaki and standing next to their vehicles: http://hermes.lssu.edu/~jshibley/Release%20Photos/LSSUSecCon...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenationalguard/3311685893/

Here with a backpack that looks identical to those of the uniformed men in Boston: http://www.dvidshub.net/image/391303/6th-civil-support-team-...

As to why one of them were seen wearing Craft apparel, Craft International provides training programs to police and military, and it is likely that the whole team received training from Craft and received the apparel from them, or maybe just the individual did, or maybe it's even simpler than that, perhaps the man wearing the hat simply likes the hat and purchased it from Craft.

Their presence does lend credence to the idea that authorities may have had prior intelligence of a possible bombing, or were in fact holding a drill that day.

Sources: http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/fort-hamilton-anti-ter...

http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/16/nat_gua...

What do they do?: http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/policy/army/f...



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Honestly, a thorough

Honestly, a thorough assessment of the photographs at the finish line lays out the case by itself, not selective extrapolation. You're welcome.

If it's so obvious that they are mercs...

why can't you just lay out the case for it?

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Because I've never said the

Because I've never said the "support" personnel at the finish line were definitely mercenaries. I've repeatedly said that the "support" personnel were EITHER members of Craft International (paid killers) or a group impersonating them. A thorough examination of the evidence refutes your conjecture that the "support" personnel at the finish line are definitely and totally members of ANG CSTs ... which is HIGHLY doubtful based on the evidence.

Anything else? The sands of time are running out so hurry. LoL

But, you just said....

"Honestly, a thorough assessment of the photographs at the finish line lays out the case by itself, not selective extrapolation. You're welcome."

So if you said you believe the case for mercs lays itself out, then why not share the details which you think thoroughly lays out the case?

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What did I just say in the

What did I just say in the previous paragraph?

Hurry, time is running out.

Okay, I get it.

You believe the case for mercs lays itself out, but you can't verbalize that case that lays it self out.

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We get it. You like to pawn

We get it. You like to pawn YOUR words as the words of others. Again, you have two eyes, a review of the available photographs and montages taken near the finish line will refute your conjecture that the "support" personnel at the finish line are likely members of the ANG CSTs. Time has expired. ;)

Okay...

if "a review of the available photographs and montages taken near the finish line will refute your conjecture that the "support" personnel at the finish line are likely members of the ANG CSTs."

Then why not just lay out the case that they are mercs and not CST if you are so sure of it?

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Worth 1000 words

the bomb exploded from right

the bomb exploded from right where they were standing. Just before the bomb blew they moved away from the area. How were two trained guys not able to notice a bag left unattended when they were standing right there?

More like 20 feet to the right of where they were standing.

"How were two trained guys not able to notice a bag left unattended when they were standing right there?"

Because the bag was in the middle of a crowd that they were on the other side of, nobody in the crowd realized there was a bomb either.

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The bag was not in the crowd.

The bag was not in the crowd. The bag was near the wall of the building about 10 or 15 feet away from them like you said. the burn mark was left on the ground and the crowd was close to the track.

Here are the 4chan images

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA

Also note that the guys they claim are the "terrorists" are not in any of those pictures.

But the only reason they were there in the first place ...

... was to look for such things. Everyone else was there to enjoy the race.

Why were they there if they were not looking for bad guys?

And if they can't find bad guys who are a few feet away, then maybe we need to end this nonsense of a police state because it doesn't seem to work, never mind the violation of rights.

If they are in fact CSTs...

then their job wasn't to look for bombers, but detect CBRN threats.

Furthermore, I am not arguing in favor of a police state.

I am arguing that failure to stop the bombers, does not prove foul play on their part.

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You Should Be Arguing

That failure to stop the bombers warrants immediate rollback of the police state! If their presence does not protect us, then just get rid of them. The growth of government provably harms every citizen (through higher taxes and less liberty), but fails to protect us, every single fucking time!

I'm not afraid of getting bombed by foreign terrorists, or shot by right-wing extremists, or robbed by drug-addicts, my only fear, which grows every single day, is having my money and my rights stolen from me by tyrannical government assholes. When are the dipshits in Washington going to get it? Politicians are the fucking problem, and no matter how many idiotic, and obvious false-flag events they stage, our suspicion of the criminal elites will only grow!

I'm not arguing for their existence...

I'm arguing that failure to stop the bombers, does not prove that they themselves are the bombers.

This is getting old...

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And we are arguing

That failure to stop the bombers...does not give HIGHLY TRAINED spec ops guys the ability to weasel out of why they....failed to stop the bombers.

Something has to give here.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I am a highly trained

I am a highly trained computer professional.

Sometimes I miss problems that are right under my nose. My coworkers do too. It's a human thing I think. If we had perfect knowledge and ability, we'd be perfect.

edit: you live in Norfolk? Maybe is the booze in me talking, but ask your damned neighbor. He probably works for the CIA or FBI.

The merc story never rung true

Why would you dress up in uniform to perform a terrorist act, and then ask everyone and their mother to make the pics public?

Thanks for figuring out who they are.

The reason they are suspect ...

... is the "drill gone live" scenario. One would expect the handlers to have credentials, and they would not be the ones carrying out the act. They are supposed to be the "heros who get their man."

That's the idea, anyway.

its a bad idea then...

I'm thinking by the way you phrased it that you don't subscribe to this bad idea but....

Then why didn't they get their man? If it was so planned out, why did an MIT cop get shot and these dudes never 'got their man'.

Plus, the 'drill gone live' scenario is dumb. From what I understand, the theoretical point is to provide cover to an operative who is caught. The plausible deniability is gone once the bomb is planted. The only way to maintain plausible deniability once a bomb is discovered, is to have a patsy. If these kids were the patsies then why did they shoot back and have explosives ready to fight back with?

I'm sorry but this is a dumb conspiracy theory. Some are good but not this one.

Perfect Execution actually

Did you not see what happened in Boston? They locked a million people into their homes, and paraded a man up and down the street for hours, nude, for no other reason than he broke the lockdown.

No plan survives contact with the enemy. Try this scenario on for size: A drill to live exercise is planed, the patsy's being unaware of the live part. The patsy's, realizing whats happening, try to escape, and consider those who put them in this situation to be an enemy now (can anyone blame them?). Its possible these patsy's were chosen because they might fight back. The resulting chaos, especially if they escape for a time, falls right into the plan, the city of Boston was LOCKED DOWN, and the citizens think this is a reasonable thing to do now. Last I heard one suspect was dead, the other in custody with no rights afforded to him.

Plan complete, sounds like. Do you think the "planners" consider any human loss as significant, even their own?

One question, if its legal to strip a suspect, and march him up and down the street in Boston, how long before that's everywhere?

Just open the box and see

You're on crack.

You're on crack. I doubt you're within 1000 miles of Boston cause you seem to only know rumors.

Why the crack

crack?

dunno. it's whack

dunno. it's whack

not on crack

I am slightly more than 1000 miles from Boston, and I mentioned no rumors.

I simply mentioned a scenario that could be plausible, given certain circumstances outlined in the comment above yours. You can make from it what you will.

The nude man is on video, I didn't make that up. I did say that was done for no other reason than a broken curfew. I do not know why it was done to him, but, that seems reasonable to you? In my mind, no matter the reason, it was a pointless exercise.

My apologies if I started a rumor, if you can explain exactly why that was done to him, and why it makes sense, I will make a post and retract my "for no other reason" comment. ;)

Just open the box and see

I don't know why either but a

I don't know why either but a more obvious answer is because he was running around the streets nude...

normally I would just laugh

but, in this case, I can't. I thought you were following the story.

He was stripped by the cops in the street. For a very short time, he was reported by the cops and the media as being one of the bombers. That one went down the memory hole so fast, many missed it.

Maybe they stripped him nude, then arrested him for public indecency? Can you even be guilty of a crime if the cops make you do it?

Since they did strip him because of being a bomb suspect, its arguable that it may have been reasonable (I would argue against it's reasonableness), but to not toss a coat over him for the walk to the cruiser, or sitting inside it, is just about demoralization, for him and the public.

Since he was apparently not the brother (some web speculation aside), the strip search was completely unreasonable, and if the police can get away with that in Boston, what's stopping them everywhere else?

I did make an assumption that it is, or at least used to be, illegal to strip a suspect in public. Whether the police can or should strip suspects, I believe if that slides in Boston, it won't be long before its everywhere, kind of like the "authorized warrant-less raid's" they managed to make people cheer about.

If you haven't seen the "house search", I highly recommend it. It's terrifying in a "violation of civil rights" kind of way. It's abundantly clear they were not searching for anyone. They wouldn't have found a doughnut in the street.

Just open the box and see

Exactly

If I wanted to conceal the fact that I was paramilitary planting a bomb, why would I dress in a way that would give me away.

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