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We sure are a paranoid bunch...

I mean it.

Whenever anything bad happens, we tend to look to the govt instead of the perpetrators. Do I believe that elements in our govt could do heinous things? Yup. Do I believe that every single time something happens its govt sponsored? Nope.

I find it kinda funny that the same govt we have zero faith in accomplishing anything is capable of pulling off one conspiracy after another.

If its true.. its the ONLY damn thing that they are good at!!!

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Trolling for 5 years, 6 months?

Do you really feel that way, Mister 9 months?

thank you..

jussayin...

I love this place. Troll...? Really...? This post is proof that I stick my neck out to be cut.

Its not easy dealing with the backlash from our community.. but at least Im willing to go against the grain to sharpen our senses.

Like I said.. take what I say like a grain of salt. Its just me being honest.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

sharkhearted's picture

I like how you have a ducks back, P.

Keep up the good work.

Ignore the trolls, who accuse others of being trolls, LOL.

I think RonPaul4Prez remark is the ole pot calling the kettle black.

Ignore him!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Not to be a dick here...

but apparently you haven't been around long. Not trying to discount your service, faith or contributions... but Im the last motherfucker on the DailyPaul to be called a troll.

I want our side to win. Period.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

All populists are closeted progressives

That is why we see their indifference for victims and rooting for police failure. That is why we see postings about clean food, clean air, clean water using the same scare tactics as progressives do. That is why they are against capitalist division of labor and for self-sustaining farming life. In fact, capitalism - the necessary condition of a free society - does not occupy their mind.

First Off

People always assume I jump to conclusions. Or assume the Government is always the bad guy. I look at both sides. I see nothing wrong with questioning our media since they are already proven liars. Once you catch people lying, do you listen to them any more? I sure don't. Second, Bad things like this don't happen regularly. It sure seems like it is now and our Government always has an agenda behind everything bad that happens. I been arguing with my parents for two days over this crap. They are in denial. Nobody wants to think this was a false flag. Well what if they all knew this was going to happen but did nothing to stop it. Hasn't any one ever thought about that? All I ask is for people to question everything. STOP TAKING THE MEDIA/FBI/GOV Word for it. My gosh.

Time is required for the

Time is required for the blinders to fall from their eyes. Take breaks as needed to renew your focus and enthusiasm for the truth. We appreciate your effort. If the government is truly as corrupt as we suspect, patience and the truth is all that is required for eventual success.

sharkhearted's picture

Its not "paranoid" at all.

The US Government has a storied history of various false flag events.

Not "paranoid". Just seeking the truth.

But I hear ya about this might be the only thing the government does well. And its only because they've got billions and billions and billions ad infinitum of institutionalized theft stolen dollars from the taxpayer to spend on black operations and projects.

Governments are nothing but force and power. They bomb people they don't like. They allow themselves to be bought out by corporatist forces. The rob us of the fruits of our labor by taxing us to death. And they run roughshod over our civil liberties. They murder, lie, steal, and cheat. They do NOT protect. They only ENDANGER.

The historical record is clear: Governments, unchecked by the people, naturally tend toward totalitarian, authoritarian, tyrannical, organized crime and destruction.

No secret there.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

So..

How do we defeat our opponents?

Im here for life. This isn't some blue haired granny that shows up to conventions for bonus points.

This is a player that wants the high score on the toughest video game.

There has to be a way we can win. Dividing ourselves over moot points has gotten us exactly.. nowhere.

I appreciate your comment, but I want our side to WIN. We are fighting the best fight. We are the only community standing up for the rights the majority want to take away from us.

There has to be a way we can out maneuver our opponents.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Jefferson's picture

Good question..

We defeat them by empowering ourselves and each other.

We can defeat them by chilling out on the labels. (I'm guilty of it too)

We defeat them by knowing what we are putting in, and subjecting OUR bodies and brains to, so we can be stronger (More importantly what THEY are subjecting us to) People are literally zombified. (and I hate to use that term because because it is what "they" are using to dehumanize a certain segment of the population to make them more expendable.....another "label")

If we can break their stranglehold on the money supply, create our own energy, and be in control of our food, we'll be in good shape. If we can realize that LIBERTY IS OUR COMMON BOND , not religion or any of the other divisive issues that seem to show up on our doorstep like a flaming bag of crap)

Does that sound lofty? Sure it does. All I can control is myself and hopefully positively impact my sphere of influence. The rest as I see it is out of my control.

I think it was Kissinger who said "you want to control a nation, you control its resources. You want to control a people, you control the food."
Liberty for me is learning how to be self reliant so I can somewhat free myself from their tyrannical grip.

That's why "gardening threads" are so popular. They're not just feel good threads in the midst of a world of hurt, they're empowering.

We are facing some very trialling times coming up. I believe there is going to be a convergence of powerful storms on the horizon. We're facing record drought, record food shortages, record corruption, collapsing economies, world war. I could go on and on. We are facing MUCH bigger challenges than just fixing the GOP.

My advice bro, is to brace for impact. Try and be in a situation where you can best protect your loved ones if needed, and brace for impact. I'm weary from the old "red team vs blue team" shit. It's time for contingency plans imho. Try and put the labels aside (that goes for me too) and try and focus on where our energy is best focused right now at this point in history. That's my humble opinion.

Everyone is on edge. We're tuned into the world, and it's like pissing on an electric fence (not that I would know.......;)
It's exciting, fearful, and sometimes wonderful. Most (if not all) people here are good people. (some can be dicks)
We sometimes carry the weight of the world on our shoulders, and there's only so much we can do. I'm not trying to sound defeatist, I'm trying to be realistic. Just be happy to be around other people who care about the direction of this country and their futures. Unfortunately we're a minority.
I've never liked that saying "freedom is popular." People do NOT understand "freedom" until they learn HOW they've been enslaved. The only way to do that is to seek and speak the truth, as ugly as it may be. Live it as best you can.
Peace for me is through preparation, whether it be mentally, spiritually, or physically. I'm at peace with whatever happens. Do I have fears and concerns? Of course. Just like most here. But I'm at peace for the most part. I'm not afraid of death. If it comes, hopefully it will be peaceful or for a good cause.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go all deep on you, but you asked an important question. How do we defeat our opponents? Sometimes we're our OWN worst opponent.
I think there's a difference between "paranoid" and prudent.

Peace

good thinking

Divide and conquer always works and labels are divisive by nature. So, I would like to second your prominence of chilling out on labels.

Also, when you are thinking about self reliance, don't forget to plant a lot of fruit trees.....nuts too.

preach..

brother.

While you are making those insurances.. please let me in, if I come knocking. I will prove to be a valuable asset.

Jussayin...

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

sharkhearted's picture

THE WAY WE WIN...

And I agree with Cyril's comments. And I might add...When you have the truth on your side, you are indestructible. Always side with truth, no matter how far down the rabbit hole it might take you. No matter how much you have to eat crow for being wrong. The truth is indeed liberating and it sets us free.

With that in mind...the way we WIN:

1. Pull the plug on the Federal Reserve and the crime of fractional reserve banking. Without the Federal Reserve, most, if not all of the disastrous wars in the 20th and now 21st centuries, would have never been fought....saving the lives of millions, and preventing the super-rich from profiting on the "business" of war. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS AND CONTINUES TO BE...THE MOST DANGEROUS INSTITUTION IN WORLD HISTORY. Average people...my neocon parents even...are waking up to this. They listen to me. And now, they are convinced too, that skyscrapers don't just disintegrate in mid air and plunge to the earth nearly at the speed of gravity. Which leads me to number 2.

2. Prosecute the cover-up of the 9/11 investigations...government officials, whether the 9-11 Commission, FEMA, and/or especially NIST who repeatedly lied, created sham physical models that defy physics, and omitted damning evidence from the final fraudulent excuses for "reports".

3. They will run like rats from a bright light and take us to the architects themselves of the ENTIRE slate of false flag events in recent history....from mass shootings, to bombings, to starting illegal and unjust wars.

THAT is HOW WE WIN.

This is not a democrat or republican or libertarian or conservative or progressive or anarchocapitalist or anarchist or socialist or even neocon issue.

THIS IS ABOUT THE TRUTH. The question is, where will we side with the truth?

Are we willing...to follow it wherever it leads? No matter how much it shames or rebukes or shocks us?

When we get to that point, and become completely objective and put our egos aside...we can roll up our sleeves and plan out our strategy to win.

Winning is not the end goal. Truth and liberty and the pursuit of happiness, is.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Cyril's picture

"How do we defeat our opponents?"

"How do we defeat our opponents?"

To speak argument-wise, it's very possible we can use sound reason, sound logic, and natural morality, and make a killing among their fallacies - see this, for instance, for some weapons of mass destruction of FRAUDS :

http://www.dailypaul.com/282526/heres-why-i-vomit-group-thin...

(the weapons' ammos are at the links provided at end of post)

I doubt today's statists - all flavors, liberals, neocons, whatnots - could recover very easily from us serving them these bullets of reason, morality, and wisdom now we've got ourselves familiar anew with those.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

My friend...

but how do we UNITE people?

Is it under the banner of conspiracy or unity..? Will freedom and Liberty bring more people to our side? Or will conspiracy and conjecture continue to seperate us from our cause?

How can we convince Americans that our cause is honest and just?

We believe in this message, how can we convey our belief system on our peers?

If not us.. Who?

It is my personal belief that we are the last remnants of a Constitutional society hell bent on protecting what few rights remain. We have the power to change the world.. again.

I remain just as passionate as everyone here but my conviction tells me to do what ever it takes to win!

Lee Atwater was a political mastermind. He was devious. He was cunning. He was ruthless. He was willing to win at all costs. He understood what it takes to win.

It is my sincere hope that our movement recognizes his contribution. If we want to win.. dont expect a fair fight.. fight dirty as hell.

We wont have this opportunity again.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

what do you expect to win by fighting dirty?

if you lie, you chain yourself to that lie. Truth brings freedom in your heart.

Cyril's picture

I don't think we can, or anyone can

I don't think we can, or anyone can, really "unite" consciously, purposely the people. We're not the users of psy-ops or propaganda, precisely, we're in the other camp...

The people are individuals that we can only hope make themselves converge independently to the same simpler, more moral, and more rational also ideas and values that we are the defenders, guardians of - encouraging though: in growing numbers, we are.

It's mostly through education again, that Ron Paul intends to continue this effort, and a bit of politics, why not, but as I pointed out: we will waste our effort, IMO, if we try to do politics without imposing honest, fair debates of ideas and not a false pretense of those.

The people will unite by itself without us having to use any conscious force to control or direct it: by rediscovering these ideas and values in liberty, by itself, values which are in vast, vast majority absolutely natural - non-aggression, individual freedom, respect for private property, for honest work, keeping the fruits of one's own work, or resting on one's own savings, etc.

What we need to do is suggest the people how to UNLEARN that, for some odd reason, their fate was to be managed by a state which knows better than they do - the Superman Idea and its fallacy.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

sharkhearted's picture

Agreed, my friend.

~

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I agree

It has become very fashionable to yell "conspiracy theorist" whenever anybody questions the official versions of current events, history, the failure to resolve problems, official cover ups and so on.

If you can give me ONE example...

...of elements of the government NOT funding, aiding, and abetting terrorists in a major domestic terror attack, I'll concede to being paranoid.

Obviously, the jury on the Boston bombings is still out. But if you don't at least QUESTION government involvement (specifically involvement by the FBI) you're incredibly naiive.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

If you can first prove

I am NOT the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan

Of course if the government

Of course if the government didnt try to keep secrets, this wouldnt happen.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

We can look at both and should

You should never trust anything the government says. I tend to err on the side of the individual at all times. Even here, innocent until proven guilty.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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yep... waiting for the video

yep... waiting for the video showing him placing the bomb....

They've withheld the video

because of the easily recognizable victims clearly visible in the video. I suspect that the jury will be seeing this video.

Pictures of the victims? You

Pictures of the victims? You mean like the pictures the MSM has had all over the TV? Now all the sudden we can no longer see them?

Maybe its just me,

But I know seeing the backpack, suspect, and destroyed family all within 5 feet of each other was pretty troubling.

You don't have to watch the

You don't have to watch the video (if it is ever released). It was disturbing to me to see the photos of the 11 children our country country killed with the drone attack. I'm glad I seen the photos but very disturbed by them.

Even If There Is A Video

Any video showing a bomb being planted is sure to be staged. The suspects, victims, and anyone getting airtime in the MSM are paid actors. This is just another Hollywood production, everything is in the script, except for the info emerging in the real-media (which show "The Craft" agents at the site of the bombing).

The whole point behind the announcement of a bomb-drill was to move actors into place, move the general public out of the blast zone, and get cameras into position for the staged bombing. If you've ever seen what it looks like when Hollywood films in-public, you'll know exactly what was happening leading up to the bombing.

Any video showing a bomb being planted is sure to be staged???

this is the opposite of being a free minded, critical thinker! You just closed the door to any possible explanation other than the one that you made up in your mind. I can't say this enough: just because you believe an alliterative story than the MSM does not mean you are any better than the sheep who watch MSM.

If i was an Obama supporter who said their is nothing u can say or do to make me doubt that Obama is the best president ever, you would call me a liberal sheep.