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To the Minions of Alex Jones

Are there any terrorists in the world or is every single act of terrorism a plot by the New World Order?

And, if there are no terrorists, then how can any of you be a Ron Paul fan when Ron Paul believes that 9-11 was a terrorist attack. Does anybody remember when Ron Paul took on Rudy Giuliani by saying 9-11 was a derivative of our foreign policy? Kind of proves that he doesn't believe Dick Cheney did it, doesn't it?

That being said, I ask the question again. Are there any terrorists out there?

Are Ron Paul and the rest of us still "sleeping?"



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So you believe the Taliban conspiracy theory.

You know the one where the Taliban conspired to scuttle the Unocal pipeline unless they got a fair offer.

Problem is the only evidence of Commercial Airliners where photoshopped images green screened over the skyline.

No plane, no highjackers, means someone invented a conspiracy to fit their needs.

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No

I believe the U.N. Agenda 21 conspiracy theroy that says when Bush signed Kyoto Agreement, buildings like the WTC were unable to be legally demolished.

And yet, there she sat, a big white elephant, bleeding money on prime NY real estate, a perpetual funnel of garbage blown off the ocean was it's confetti parade.. 80% was unoccupied, tourists weren't interested, NY business was not interested, US government was not interested, no one was frankly interested in being occupants of the WTC, and since the Petron towers were standing at the tallest buildings at the time.. WTC needed to come down.

Now if it was an "inside job", the U.N. would be all over it.. USA broke Kyoto treaty. Don't forget, Clinton refused to sign, and conservatives were absolutely SHOCKED Bush signed.. and that signature made it an international job.

Because it is an international job, 911 Truth becomes pawns for the UN.. how? HATE AMERICA

What's GOOD about America? Once you've come to hate your nation, it makes it easier to lose and accept a NWO.

If you don't think you're being brainwashed by YouTubes and conspiracy theory by design, forcing you to stay in a box or be subject to downvotes and bully offenses, personal attacks like name calling and insults.. 911 truth is passion, but not very deep.. loops a lot.. how many times have you watched the towers fall?

So, like the many conspiracy theories throughout history, we have another, that will not be solved, will not bring justice or truth.

It was born on illusion and that's where it remains, kept alive by those who have nothing better to do than watch YouTubes about 911 Truth, and find people to insult who don't agree.

Have you got any proof that

Have you got any proof that kyoto doesn't allow buildings like WTC to be demolished?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

That didn't prove anything.

That didn't prove anything. Where does it say that buildings like the WTC can't be demolished?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

WTC was not sustainable

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FAIL! We The People know

FAIL! We The People know what you are!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Wow, a mindreader.

And to think I actually fell for his argument that 9/11 was blowback from our foreign policy. I mean, he always seemed so sincere to me when he stated that. But, then, I'm not a mindreader.

Military is known for precise

Military is known for precise formulations and crisp language. For these kind of situations military coined word FUBAR.

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Yea I hear you... These nut

Yea I hear you...

These nut jobs will soon accuse the government of conspiring to supply guns to Mexican Drug gangs. Then they will accuse the government of conspiring a country has weapons of mass destruction when they know they don't..... What a bunch of nut jobs!

Then they will accuse the government

of conspiring a country has weapons of mass destruction when they know they don't.

What does this mean ? And what does it have to do with the OP

Your logic matches your use of language.

Basically you are saying.

1 The government did some bad things
2. Blowing up bombs during the Boston Marathon was a bad thing.
3 Therefore the government blew up bombs during the Boston marathon.

--this is faulty logic, if you can't tell.

You appear to be running a

You appear to be running a little low on logic yourself... The thread is very much aimed at why people would believe the government would be behind bombings such as Boston and 9/11. That is what I assumed this post was about "all attacks". As I recall we have only had the Boston attack since 9/11.

It is very well documented Collen Powell was lied to about WMD. It was a conspiracy.

Why do people believe the government to be behind conspiracies? Because they have been so many times.

Cheat me once shame on you... cheat me twice shame on me.

Never once did I say the government bombed Boston please learn to pay attention to what you read and will work on my use of language

There is a difference

Between trusting what the government says, and believing that every terrorist incident is directed by the government. If you look at the first post from this thread, that was the claim.

In response, I asked for just one incident where it was proven that the US government directed the attack, or where the incident lead back to the US government.

The closest we have so far are some cases where it is likely that the US government funded terrorist cells in soviet block countries, but this is not a directed event. Proof is available evidence, like a document, or an arrest of a CIA agent.

You are in a dream land....

You are in a dream land.... Show me one person who believes every single terrorist incident is directed by the government.

answer: Libya alCIAda flags flying over the cities after we back the over throw of the government.

US government is funding Terrorist acts in Pakistan. Just a few weeks ago 11 kids killed by US Drone strike. The total of kids killed is in the hundreds.

Maybe ...

Premise: Government has done a shitload of evil.
Premise: Government seeks to cover up the evil it does.
Premise: Government is not a reliable source of truth.
Premise: If there is any evil and it smells like shit government may have had prior knowledge, complicity, or worst case involvement.
Premise: Government employs people who will use guns on anyone at anytime.

Conclusion: Classified Top Secret

Where do all of these nut jubs get off ...

it's not like benevolent government had anything to do with MK-ULTRA, Operation Mockingbird, Watergate, Manhattan Project, Tuskegee experiments, Operation Northwoods, Iran-Contra Affair, Gulf of Tonkin, and were just getting started. Waco, Oklahoma bombing, Ruby Ridge, recent gun smuggling to Mexico, HSBC not getting prosecuted for laundering, bailouts, overthrowing governments, and a whole plethora of other shit. Seriously what the hell is wrong with these nutjobs. It's like they don't want to trust a benevolent government running a Social Security program that has spent all the money. We have to have government run courts where everyone in the court room is getting paid to be there because you are the one being looted and doing the paying. How could I forget about being groped anytime one flies? What other government provides a courtesy stroking of your private parts? Dam, these nut jobs just don't appreciate all of the benefits of tyranny. What other countries will feed and house you for victimless crime? To top it off government takes care of you from cradle to grave and you get to keep some of your money! It doesn't get any better than that, what is wrong with these nut jobs? Did I mention the official story for 9/11 is horseshit? Did I mention the Kennedy assassination official story stinks to high heaven? Did I mention any random acts of kindness from a drone missile strike? Keeping people safe is hard work and costs a lot of money. These nut jobs just sound like free riders bitching about what everyone else loves paying for ...

When the AJ crowd starts babbling incoherently

I've made my point.

All I asked is for one specific terrorist incident that was directed by the government. I get completely off topic answers, like Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq war lies, Waco and ruby ridge, things that didn't even happen, like operation Northwoods.

No concept of terrorism, much less a reasonable concept of proof.

No wonder we are loosing the 4th amendment.

Again you are putting words

Again you are putting words in the posters mouth... or grouping anyone who questions these events into and Alex Jones group. I didn't notice the poster above mention Alex Jones mentioned? You don't have to be an Alex Jones fan to questions killing and wars.

It's not off topic at all. It

It's not off topic at all. It shows a pattern of deception and murder. We went to war and many died over a government created conspiracy of weapons of mass destruction.

Operation Northwoods was a conspiracy plan that was drafted by some in government and the creators would have gladly carried it out. Military planed to blow up a US airliner and blame it on Cuba. Lucky a few in government put the brakes on. If the president simply would have green lighted it would be in the history books. What would Obama or Bush have done? Again it proves some in government will cross any line.

People have good reason to question government. The military industrial complex that Presidents have warned us about is alive and thriving.

There is a difference

Between saying that you don't trust the government,

and saying they are responsible for essentially every terrorist attack that has happened.

there is healthy skepticism, and there is paranoia. the point is to see the difference.

And so to answer the original OP's question. Yes, there is a lot of terrorism in the world, not connected to the US, or the "new world order".

RE: Healthy Skepticism

Is this so far out in left field it could not be considered remotely accurate?

Premise: If there is any evil and it smells like shit government may have had prior knowledge, complicity, or worst case involvement.

There are three levels wrongdoing 1) prior knowledge and failing to act, 2) complicity such as supplying weapons, or 3) some other direct involvement.

No one likes to get their hands dirty and I would consider option #3 a last case scenario. Clearly the name of the game is using prior knowledge and complicity to influence others to help achieve ones goals to keep their hands clean. Knowledge is power.

I am still waiting for a definition of what constitutes a terrorist. Is the definition of a terrorist an entity who initiates aggression? Isn't that already considered a crime? Isn't the United States government already the biggest criminal in the world who initiates the most aggression? Is the definition of a terrorist one who initiates aggression for a belief? Aren't people who initiate aggression doing it because of some belief? What does a belief have to do with the fact initiating aggression is wrong doing? Is the definition of a terrorist one who initiates aggression for a certain type of belief? What would the purpose of such a definition be? Is it to overlook the fact initiating aggression in and of itself is wrong doing? If aggression is initiated for a government belief it is right but if it is initiated for a non-government belief it is wrong?

An operative definition of terrorism

is an act of violence designed to cause fear in a society or particular group - lynching blacks was an act of terrorism in my view. Violence in war generally is not terrorism, since the goal is forcing compliance of a group rather than making the group afraid - but sometimes it probably is terrorism.

Its true, as soon as you try to assign motive to an act of violence, it gets more difficult to define. revenge vs self defense, hate crimes, insanity, etc. is all really murky and difficult to know for sure.

The other part of terrorism is that it has to be intended that lots of people see the violence so they are scared and appalled - so the media is complicit in making an event terrorism.
So the Boston Marathon is terrorism, while some of the horrible Home invasion/multiple execution crimes are not.

Anyway, the one thing I would add to your list of wrong doing, is that it is difficult to tell if #1 is wrongdoing or incompetence. The government seems pretty incompetent. Incompetence is probably the most common and the least evil of the explanations.

RE: #1

I do not disagree with the statement of incompetence. I find it difficult to buy in some prior events. Take Iraq, clearly some people know there were no weapons of mass destruction. Take Pearl Harbor, same kind of fraud perpetuated by some people who knew something. We are not talking about commoners with prior knowledge but people in positions of power.

On a side note and in general, I have a problem with #1 because I do not think doing nothing is wrong. I only subscribe to the notion possessing prior knowledge and doing nothing is wrong if you are government because government is supposed to have a duty and obligation to protect life, liberty, and property. It would seem at a minimum government has an obligation to notify even if no other action is taken.

That's not even the half of it.

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Dude...

One of my favorite post ever!

Love,

Nut Job #165

Right on... I was hoping to

Right on... I was hoping to inspire a good write up with a longer list!

It would be nice to have a verfied list

that can be easily referred to. I am certain it would be a long list.

That could be a great video

That could be a great video project for someone good with production.

Man..

I feel ya bud..

There is no winning with conspiracy theorists. Its like.. I feel you guys.. I really do. I just come to DailyPaul for news and activism. The conspiracy stuff gets overwhelming for what the purpose of the DailyPaul is...

Just my .02c

If it gets too much, take a break. Just dont forget about the midterms that are coming up. We need you around here.

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.02¢ < 1¢. You meant to say "2¢"

...Sorry, I had to do it :)