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UPDATE- Cispa Protest or DP Censorship - What happened to ZooAmerica/zachnap/celeste/duanek36 ?

Just wondering why these two members are no longer available.

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/9706
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/51038
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/12127
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/50461

I know ZooAmerica has been around for a while... so what could possible cause his "account" to be closed or unavailable?

Maybe I am missing something obvious here, if so I apologize. However it seems curious that a long time member, someone I can't specifically recall ever being particularly offensive or confrontational has just been removed from the DP.

If they have in fact been removed as members, I think we all deserve an explanation as to why his account was closed. After all most of us have come to rely on the DP as a source of uncensored, unfiltered information. Many have also invested time, donated money and formed friendships with fellow dp members. To have your account seemingly shut down willy-nilly is disconcerting to say the least.

Hopefully I am ALL wrong. Can someone explain please. TY :)




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Well Ed, I gave you the explanation

All of the screen names were banned for promoting that false and grotesque meme that Jeff Bauman never had legs to begin with; that they were paid hollywood actors and that the blood on the ground was fake.

Some of those screen names were duplicate users. Others displayed classic signs of being disinformation agents.

I answered you long ago this morning in the comments that you have since buried.

Clearly you don't want just an explanation - you want more than that.

I take no joy in banning long time members. But I take even less joy in having to read the grotesque bullshit - day in and day out - that is repeatedly posted here by a minority of users. That kind of ridiculous content was driving many more users away than the handful that I banned who were pushing it.

At the end of the day Schill, you can take it or leave it. Everyone can choose to stay or go except me. I'm not leaving. I've been doing this for over a decade, and I know how a forum gets destroyed. I've seen it any number of times. I've seen your kind as well, and I know your angle, Schill.

Yes, I am having a day. Yes, I am human. And yes, I do lose my temper. So if you want to keep it up, be my guest and your name will be the next one added to the ban list, Schill.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

my intention was not to harm this site

I see it as the other way around, I was hoping to preserve its integrity by disagreeing openly and not having to back down from my opinion. If members arent able to do that then what reason do they or anyone else have to visit the DP and how can this site remain relevant.

Just understand this site has been very important to me, it has been an oasis for a guy thirsty for the truth...just ask my wife Mrs Schill how I feel about this community and its members. So I thank you for that...but I am not going to shut up cause you tell me to shut up.

What angle?

Are you suggesting I have another motivation other than what I have clearly stated. Are you suggesting my last name is fake? That because I disagree I am some troll. I am not. Require proof, I will email a photo of my dl and passport as well as invite you to friend me on fb to check me out. Hey I can even send you my address and cell phone number to reverse search on google. Would an invite to dinner the next time you are in nyc do it.

You have told many people here today to piss off. Good members. Sure you don't have to be nice to us, but you should be. So get rid of me too. Convince yourself I am a troll cause I have an easley picked on unfortunate last name but that isn't going to help this forum.

We aren't all trolls out to get you, some of us actually care about each other.

Ed, fwiw you have been a

Ed, fwiw you have been a voice of reason here. This Boston false flag is similar to what I saw after 9-11. The trauma of it can take its toll on many

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

nice to hear

That has a lot of value to me, thanks for sticking by and standing up. It means something for sure.

Human? Well, there's the problem!

((((MN)))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSwOrytf_M&NR=1&feature=ends...

Songwriters: CLARK, GENE / MCGUINN, JIM / CROSBY, DAIVD

Eight miles high and when you touch down
You'll find that it's stranger than known
Signs in the street that say where you're going
Are somewhere just being their own

Nowhere is there warmth to be found
Among those afraid of losing their ground
Rain gray town known for it's sound
In places small faces unbound

Round the squares huddled in storms
Some laughing some just shapeless forms
Sidewalk scenes and black limousines
Some living some standing alone

I have lost many people who I love from being banned on DP

I have not always agreed with the censorship. I have also seen people who were banned, return, so I encourage all who were banned to email MN and work it out (you'll probably wind up better friends for it, and have way more fun on DP, knowing MN).

When I read this thread, I thought MN made some very good points, because it's not that he opposes conspiracy theory, it's that some theory's, especially when it hits so close to a home that you love, and you don't want to leave, even if you do want to leave (as MN is moving) and this has been a very long, hard goodbye, and all this going on while he's at ground zero.. his soul is being tested, he even admitted it was a hard week for him.

If you care about MN, the people who were hurt by the bombing, then show some respect to those who are actually effected by having to remain indoors, and too scared to empty their recycling. Imagine if at this moment an event happened to your next door neighbor.. global news event.. swat is everywhere, you've been notified to remain indoors, you hear helicopters.. see LAO vehicles pulling up.. they want to use your bathroom.. you hear people are dead.. you hear the danger is not over.. and now three days later of this news.. someone is telling you that your neighbor isn't your neighbor, and your neighborhood (one that you LOVE) is anything but what you know it, and none of them have ever been to your neighborhood.. enough becomes enough..

those people who were banned from posting can still read the DP: PLEASE, email MN. This really isn't about you and your conspiracy thoughts or what you contributed to DP.. this is about our friend who is watching his life blow up in his face and people seem to care more about actors and fake blood than their friend who makes all this actually possible, by posting what is hitting too close to home for MN.

If you would rather garden, than by all means.. but if you can put "you" aside, and email your friend MN because you really do love this community, and it's not all about MN, it's just MN is understandably dealing with alot that I KNOW, from your own histories (knowing some of you who have been banned, beyond DP community.. you are my friends, and I don't want to lose you).

((((((MN))))) THANK YOU for the kind words about my brother's passing on the other thread.. I appreciate your understanding, as it is very difficult time (and sometimes I feel just sick, ugly frownie face).. I see what you are going through and I'm speachless, partially because of my own grief.. but I see yours (((MN))) I'm crying with you.. I know you LOVE Boston, I know you hate what is happening, and hate isn't your motovator.. I can hardly imagine the kind of energy wave that has hit you from the terrorist attack (REAL or not).

I'm doing my best to breath deep and count blessings, which you are included, as with those who you have taken a breather from the DP. I don't know what I can do to mediate, but I hope we all remain the disfunctional family I love, for years to come.

Granger

You are always a calming voice of reason. Some of your posts even helped me put into perspective the debacle that was the RNC. I just don't know how to reconcile the fact that some current events are off limits because he, Michael Nystrom lives in Boston. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11, can I say definitely what happened that day simply because I am a native ny'er who was in the city that morning?...no. I want to understand, but I also feel a need to defend our search for information and the truth no matter how uncomfortable. AGAIN...I know it is his site blah blah blah.

EdSchill A little respect goes a long way here on DP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4

The topics are not off limits, they are insensitive at this time because you have the owner of this site making first hand reports that get little attention or sympathy, concern, help (as much as I love soaking in hot springs and think it works wonders), the conspiracy theory debates about Boston are like opening a tramatic emotional blow and filling it with BS.. as real answers are needed and not happening... so the conspiracy this soon gets to be a bit much when it's your life that's being affected.

It's a lack of respect, and the insult is, the idea that one is entitled, blah blah blah is not RESPECT or appreciation, or giving a damn, and the kicker, is as I said, and I KNOW, some of these folks have been through HELL, and I would think they would be the most sensitive to MN's situation.

And it's like deacon and Nonna said.. they understand.. Some of us are under way more pressure than usual.. death and BS connected with it.. relocating, all this false flag stuff.. great when you can just walk away, and I guess MN could, and what good does that do?

If you've read MN's last few posts you can see he's going through HELL.. also, I noticed that some of the folks that are banned are people I KNOW he likes.

I think a few email exchanges will make DP a better place. We need to respect each other here. We don't have to agree or even like each other, but MN, the mods, and we deserve respect, because we can go elsewhere, and so could they. That's not what I want (do you?)

THAT says it all.

It's not just about you, Ed. It's about all of us when MN walks away in disgust. The Granger is telling it like it is. Dexter has been, IN GOOD FAITH, trying to warn you.

As The Granger said, many of us are going through our own personal hell at this time and some of us are on edge. Most of us don't broadcast our problems, especially since they aren't national news and/or don't really affect anyone else here. In Michael's case, what he is going through actually IS national news and what the government does in that case DOES affect him AND all of us.

Keep pushing it by bumping and attacking our host, and you could very well do us all in next time, without even a chance to say good-bye to friends.

read my op

Then read the responses to it. Those are disrespectful. If you think blah blah blah is disrespectful, I didn't mean for it to be. I apologize.

That does not mean I agree. Tossing long time members isn't respectful especially when they helped build this community. It is a two way street Granger. They must be appreciated too and there js nothing wrong w me saying that.

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amen sister :)

your words warmed my heart
i can see and feel your words as if they are my own
as we probably have gone through some of the trials and fires of
what we call life
lets just pray we are better for it,and not bitter by it.
This is where i am at at this point in time,i know not yet where i stand
anyways,thanks you for your words,i think i needed them :)
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

There's redemption

I could do a whole lot worse than being in the same boat as the good folks on DP like you (((((((((((deacon))))))))))) and ((((((Nonna))))))

I'm standing with MN (and hope those who were banned email him and return home soon).

I KNOW some of these folks MN really likes, so I hope they will not abandon our family, but become our prodgical siblings.

deacon's picture

we are all in the same boat

watching our very lives pour down the drain
it is personal,up in your face and down right
disgusting
and yes enough is enough!!most are just sick and tired of it all
a prez and a congress who do not care,just out for more bucks
and all of our backs
i am sick of all the lies from the fed gov,the more i read,the more
bothered and the more sick i become,this is not any gov i want
handling my affairs
since i started on my journey through politics,and just plain ole watching what has happened,i have lost most of what i once was,and
what i used to be,own has all been taken,stolen or just come up missing
so yes we all lose at the same time,and we gain at the same time
but one thing is for certain,if we do not take this journey together
and watch each others back,we will hang alone,and no one,and i mean NO ONE will even know we are gone and not coming back
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

This:

"but one thing is for certain,if we do not take this journey together
and watch each others back,we will hang alone,and no one,and i mean NO ONE will even know we are gone and not coming back"

What a sad thread this is. Thank you, decon, for your ever loving heart. We may not always agree but, we don't have to agree to be civil and respect each other. I would miss YOU if you went away, and I would wonder if you are alright. Some people just touch my soul. You are definitely one of them, my friend.

Just wanted you to know that, while I still have the chance to tell you.

deacon's picture

nonna :)

thank you greatly for your kind words
i am going to keep them where i need it the most
i can honestly say i feel the same towards you
we must have the same energy patterns
what i typed is from personal experience and knowledge
most times i keep it to myself,but at times such as this,it just has to get out (maybe another needs to read it?) who knows? but i have learned to not fight them type of urges (have in the past,caused me heartache and more loss)
here is one story to share,the fed gov tried to make a militia group
here in mich disappear,2 years later they finally get out,only to find they stole are their belongings,their home was trashed and unlivable (still is),they even so far as to steal their wedding rings
was never admitted into evidence
when it looked like the fed gov would lose,they tried to trump up the charges to make it look like they were guilty (of something,anything)
their eye witness was a man who tried to kill his own wife with a rifle in their home,and when that went sour,he tried to say she tried to stab him with a knife!! this also backfired,and this was the feds star witness!!
this witness (a fed) showed the group how to make a bomb,actively
went so far as to ask them first,then showed them how,upon them learning,they were guilty of knowing
the feds couldn't even tell if what the group owned was an automatic
rifle or a sawed off shotgun
some of what went on is laughable,but mostly is a crying shame that brings tears when thinking about it
now had the gov pressed the NDAA and the patriot act,they would not be here or anywhere for that matter
and these are the ones who bring justice and uphold our laws?
sorry to rant so long
i have a spot in my heart for my friends and i hold them close,at times this is all we have or might get to keep
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

You both walk by and I falll to pieces

Really

Wiping tears

One day, I'm gonna' change my name to Dale Lee Paul

deacon's picture

there are times

when one doesn't know what he/she needs until they get it
this for me is one of them times
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

Hello!!!!! What a wonderful surprise!

Where ya been, Crabacado? Been missin' you, my old friend, and I hope all is well with you. Have you heard anything from the man you were so generously helping a while back?

How wonderful to see an old friend back again! Now, if you will excuse me, I have to wipe away some tears of joy.

No kidding ((((Nonna))))))

Wasn't crabby the one who opened up a lemonade stand on his street corner and passed out Ron Paul super brochures?

Welcome back home !!!

Nonna

It doesn't have to be sad...or end. We ALL need to look out for each other, especially if we value their intentions and contributions. My intention was only to do the right thing. Clearly it would have been easier to NOT post this and tend to my garden instead. Not that there is anything wrong with that :)

deacon's picture

a few more MIA?

zachnap,celeste,and sumwoman,to name a few more
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

WOW

those guys were long time contributors too

deacon's picture

these are just some

i found from backtracking my comments,am sure there might be others
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

I did not post this to create discord

In fact I initially thought it could be some sort of satirical protest against CISPA and I didn't get the memo. It really did seem so out of place for this community to ban members for kicking around ideas that were controversial. Everyone who has suggested that I claimed we have a first amendment right to post here is it seems deliberately confusing the issue. My intention was to find out what happened to some of our long time DP friends. Many of us don't watch tv, many of us don't read the msm narrative, many of us come right here for all of our information. Subsequently many of us have created valuable friendships with members on this site. While this site is obviously owned and created my Michael Nystrom, it's members are what make it a community. So when you throw a member out of a seemingly tolerant close knit community for engaging in controversial speech that has in the past been TOLERATED without explanation it is pretty shocking. Especially when you consider the time and effort people put into making this a community, not just in terms of the content they contribute, but also the money they have donated to this site. Then to be told to piss off by Michael cause this is his site SUCKS for those not ready to lose those connections with the friends they have made. That approach seems to lack appreciation for the people who make this place what it is. After all the DP is not a brand, it is a community, without its members there is nothing here, literally.

Maybe we aren't as close knit as I thought, maybe Michael is having a bad day, maybe I am being too sensitive or maybe this could have and still can be handled differently before the culture and integrity of this site is forever changed.

I understand the argument that Michael was trying to keep this site from being over run by wacky conspiracies, but hasn't it always been over run with wacky conspiracies :) Could this not have been handled the way it always has, with the wacky conspiracies being fleshed out and dying organically because they lack substance. Clearly the site was being saturated with the talk beyond even my liking but I know over time the truth will prevail here if we allow it to. Even if that was too much of a risk for Michael for whatever reason, then why not a front page post asking people to limit the amount of posts on the subject. Since when have DP members not respected his wishes. What about a warning or simply an explanation.

Why let it come to this ?

I agree with you Ed! What's

I agree with you Ed! What's the point of having this at the bottom of the page?

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Thanks. I appreciate that Ira.

I did reveal something with this post though...Fishyculture is a Woman.

http://www.dailypaul.com/guide

As I read the numerous argumentive comments and responses to this post, it is important to go back to the roots of this site. Michael Nystrom created a guide for the Daily Paul, to which I have posted that link (obviously) in the subject line, above.

Here is a copy n paste of an excerpt from Mr. Nystrom's list of guidelines:
_____________________________________________________________________

"This website is my private property. Participating here is a privilege, not a right. Understanding the difference between these concepts is fundamental to understanding the message of freedom and liberty".
_____________________________________________________________________

As Michael clearly states, the Daily Paul website is HIS private property. We, as forum users, do NOT have the RIGHT to be here. Instead, Miichael has given us the "privilege" to be here. Therefore, Michael reserves the right to to ban a user from commenting at Daily Paul. Should Mr. Nystrom decide to ban a member of the Daily Paul forums, he does NOT owe anyone an explanation.

The ONLY person (to MY understanding) who maintains the RIGHT to be here, is Michael Nystrom. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

From my personal viewpoint, Michael Nystrom has proven himself to be a kind, fair, intelligent, reasonable and friendly individual. This site has served as an excellent source of information and comaraderie. For that, I thank Michael Nystrom, plus I thank all of the GOOD people who enjoy the "privelege" to post here.

Robby Lane

Well All I'll Add Is

What would Ron Paul say? Anyway we have moved far afield of his days here at the DP. I, like Fishy, am gonna go garden because it's Spring and I can. (Until they outlaw it) So bye for now. Oh, one more thought for anyone who cares. Michael lives there and no doubt saw martial law first hand. It scares the hell out of me just seeing it online. I can't imagine what it might look like up front and personal. ESPECIALLY if you are the owner of DP! You KNOW they know who he is! I can't help but wonder if they did a door to door at HIS door. No offense Michael but it's a thought. Anyway bye for now. I have plants to tend.

skippy

I am pretty sure...

that Ron Paul wouldn't slander the victims of the Boston Bombings, and he would probably eject someone doing so from his property.

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