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UPDATE- Cispa Protest or DP Censorship - What happened to ZooAmerica/zachnap/celeste/duanek36 ?

Just wondering why these two members are no longer available.

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/9706
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/51038
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/12127
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/50461

I know ZooAmerica has been around for a while... so what could possible cause his "account" to be closed or unavailable?

Maybe I am missing something obvious here, if so I apologize. However it seems curious that a long time member, someone I can't specifically recall ever being particularly offensive or confrontational has just been removed from the DP.

If they have in fact been removed as members, I think we all deserve an explanation as to why his account was closed. After all most of us have come to rely on the DP as a source of uncensored, unfiltered information. Many have also invested time, donated money and formed friendships with fellow dp members. To have your account seemingly shut down willy-nilly is disconcerting to say the least.

Hopefully I am ALL wrong. Can someone explain please. TY :)



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I'm clearly no help with this one

I found myself up-voting and agreeing with Michael, them Fishy, then Michael, etc. So many of the comments for both sides seem to make sense to me that as it stands...whoever gets the last word in wins me over. lol.

Michael is just as obligated

to give us an explanation as any business owner is to his/her customers that have a question about their business practices.

This is not a rights issue. This is a customer service issue.

Business owners are not obligated to answer all your questions.

It is in their best interest to do so, but they do not have an obligation to do so, because you don't have a positive right to their thoughts.

Furthermore, what have you purchased from Michael Nystrom?

Most of us here are free riders, enjoying this site he has provided for us to use free of charge.

And even those who have donated, have not entered any contract with him, granting them the right to any explanation for anything.

Is Michael Nystrom obligated to tell you anything?

No.

Is it in his best interest to explain to the community why these users were banned?

Maybe.

Has he provided an explanation?

Yes, as seen here: http://www.dailypaul.com/282940/cispa-protest-or-dp-censorsh...

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I don't see how your comment

conflicts with my comment. I think you just wanted to disagree with me. Nice try though.

I'm not "trying to disagree with you"

You said Michael has an obligation to explain himself, he does not have an obligation to do so.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

He did

If you scroll down a little in the comments of this thread he did give an explanation.

I too am worried by the support such posts get...

I'm one of those that have 'threatened to leave' during the whole 'Sandy Hook' conspiracy theories... that "they were actors" - "nobody really died." I wasn't so troubled that someone might think such things - what bothered me was how much support such memes would garner. And when I (or anyone) tried to counter the memes with logic and reason, I would get shot down as "confused", "not wanting to see the truth", "a government agent."

Subsequently, I've muted myself... why counter such posts and take such abuse? I've read the conspiracy posts here about Boston (the very ones that caused the problem) - but I didn't bother interjecting... While claiming to want to discover the truth, they actually shut down debate with bully tactics. Likewise with 9/11 debates.

I think we've lost a lot of quality folks since the election. There is a large vocal remnant that really turns me off.

I don't know what to suggest... my hope is that Michael will continue to cultivate the DP to be a place I want to continue to visit and participate in... my fear is that Michael is getting sick of it.

Wait...

Are you honestly saying that 9/11 Truth discussion upsets you?

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
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Discussion on the subject is rare around here

I always get shouted down... called a tool, troll, government agent. So - there is no debate.

That's because you are a "government"

tool. Knowingly or a completely ignorant one. What would you like to debate regarding 9/11? I think what pisses people off is when you use complete lack of logic to support every single official story out there.

MOST OF AMERICA knows most politicians are corrupt... yet you believe every freakin story the "government" puts out? You can't possibly be that stupid... or can you?

You seem fairly intelligent... which makes me believe your ignorance of the inconsistencies of "official stories" is intentional.

Then Nystrom is a Conspiracy Theorist by those standards.

"Obviously someone was behind it. Those kids didn't do it all on their own. Who was behind it? I don't know, and no one does." Michael Nystrom

Why not remove yourself completely now if you are so opposed to the idea of someone suggesting the bombing narrative is BS?

Obviously I don't want you to leave, but we find answers through debate, not by stifling it.

The point is that this particular conspiracy is so far out there it diminishes the integrity of the DP. Right ? I kind of agree, but so does throwing people from the site for questioning common sense inconsistencies with human reaction to trauma.

Maybe a better way to handle it would have been for Michael Nystrom to create a front page post asking members to limit these posts, to explain his position that he believes there are trolls and disinfo agents on this site.

Of course this is his site and he can do as he pleases, but I am not trying to hurt him or this site, I was and am only trying to keep its integrity intact by debating this openly. Capisce?

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

You are such a STATIST tool

who just continues spouting whatever official story you are directed to sell. I wish you would make good on your threat. You're a disinfo hack and partially responsible for the crimes which are committed by politicians who feed you your official stories.

Half the 9/11 commissioners said the official story was BS and still that doesn't sway your well financed opinion? Only because it's very likely well financed. Either that or you have some kind of vested interest in these official stories....

Can this idiot be banned?

Really... people like this are the problem.

Now don't get too greedy ;-)

Now don't get too greedy ;-)

wow

Just ask that someone be banned when you don't agree with them or when there challenge to you makes you uncomfortable. WTF is going on around here. Is this really the Daily Paul.

Btw, I took the time to respond to your last comment in a thoughtful manner, you chose to ignore that and engage in this instead.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

I disagree with Vince calling me a tool?

Look at his post... do you want to defend him? Why didn't you counter his post instead of mine?

His post is pure abuse... you don't give a shit because he isn't abusing you.

The really sad thing is that his post might say +2 - but it is really something like +10 -8... so, there are many people that not only condone such abuse, they are cheering it on. Fight that, not me.

I can't believe I am entering

I can't believe I am entering this fray but it needs to be said.

Those that resort to personal attacks while abandoning their arguments on a specific subject show their true character and quite frankly lack of intelligence. I, like you, many times say to myself " I am not engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man" If Michael wants to put these folks on the short bus I agree whole-heartedly. I do not believe in the everyone is equal classroom. Some people do just need to retread tires. Too bad we have shipped all those jobs overseas, they would have something to do besides hang out here and dazzle the rest of us with their powers of thought.

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

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to be fair and HONEST bill

some of these members have never had contact with you,not like
vince and i have,so asking them for defense is nonsense
and as far as attacking others,you have had your share here
shall we take a trip back in time to the sandyhook threads here
for proof of your innocence? and how we here just attack you out of sheer love and respect for all your input?
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Defend your own ideas

Just as I am defending myself against every brown nosing DP sycophant who would prefer to jump on a band wagon then understand I am looking out for the entire DP community. I am not complaining you aren't rushing to my defense.Understand, it is not my job to defend you, but I will stand up for your right to defend yourself.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

With 'guards' like you, we are doomed

You attacked me when I defended myself... so, don't pretend you are gonna stand up for my rights.

So - your plan of "looking out for the entire DP community" includes letting people exercise their right to abuse me, and attacking the abused when they defend themselves?

With 'guards' like you, we are doomed.

abuse you ?....relax a little

you pretty clearly have no problem calling people an "idiot"

also I did not attack you, I asked why you didn't respond to my post but instead decided to engage the man you claim is abusing you.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

Ha

Yes - 'idiot' is in my vocabulary... and I think I used it correctly.

Why are you provoking me?

I'm not

Sorry it seems that way.
Let's just agree to disagree.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

You just made his point.

You just made his point.

exactly

I should write a regex that would help[ flag posts as likely being inflamatory by the wordings used. that would help hide a lot of junk on this site.

May be a friend/foe system like on slashdot. lol

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Never said we did

I just said it would have been nice in such a close community of friends to get a heads up before someone we have become close to is thrown off the site.

As a matter of fact I asked what happened, I never suggested "freedom of speech" existed on the DP. My suggestion was that we have all come to expect better of this site and developed a certain amount of security that we would not be chucked for expressing a thought, at least not without warning or explanation.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

It was in response to your choice of the word: censorship...

...which to me implies that the person being censored had a right to speak, but that right was inhibited by someone in the position to inhibit said right of speech.

I could be off on my understanding of the word censor, but I'm not so sure kicking someone out of your house is censorship, but rather, your enforcement of your right to own property and manage that property how you want.

I can understand where you're coming from on the warning, but I'm not so sure that there was no warning given. Was there? Would it matter if there wasn't?

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What about those of us who

What about those of us who had come to expect better from this ite than the rubbish being posted all of last week?

Mr. Nystrom's actions were fully justified.

Rubbish

what is rubbish...who decides

Are 9/11 truthers purveyors of rubbish ?

do those that question the media peddle rubbish ?

Yeah the site being saturated with all that did suck, but many agreed by evidence of all the up votes.

This can be handled differently without it affecting the integrity of the site.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb