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UPDATE- Cispa Protest or DP Censorship - What happened to ZooAmerica/zachnap/celeste/duanek36 ?

Just wondering why these two members are no longer available.

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/9706
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/51038
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/12127
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/50461

I know ZooAmerica has been around for a while... so what could possible cause his "account" to be closed or unavailable?

Maybe I am missing something obvious here, if so I apologize. However it seems curious that a long time member, someone I can't specifically recall ever being particularly offensive or confrontational has just been removed from the DP.

If they have in fact been removed as members, I think we all deserve an explanation as to why his account was closed. After all most of us have come to rely on the DP as a source of uncensored, unfiltered information. Many have also invested time, donated money and formed friendships with fellow dp members. To have your account seemingly shut down willy-nilly is disconcerting to say the least.

Hopefully I am ALL wrong. Can someone explain please. TY :)



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here ya go IMHO

what is rubbish...who decides----In this case machael

Are 9/11 truthers purveyors of rubbish ?----Some

do those that question the media peddle rubbish ?----Some

Yeah the site being saturated with all that did suck, but many agreed by evidence of all the up votes.----Not a democracy here

This can be handled differently without it affecting the integrity of the site.---He is protecting the integrity of the site

Listen Joe

I never suggested it was a democracy, the suggestion was that many people here shared some concerns about the photo and that is partly the reason why the site was saturated with the issue.

Of course my point with 9/11 and the media is that many issues are controversial and many times seem outlandish, until you take the time to close your mouth and open your mind.

If two plus two equals four then that truth will eventually reveal itself, as all truths do. If these questions about the "photo" were RUBBISH and maybe they are then that truth would reveal itself as well in an organic manner. That has always seemed to be the way things went down around here. If an idea was too far out there, people would call you on it and it would eventually go away.

It is a problem of the vocal majority

"Evidence of all the up votes." doesn't make any theory right. Just look at Congress - they vote for crap all the time.

And... yes, 9/11 truthers do peddle a lot of rubbish. There just happens to be so many of them on this site that they embolden each-other and drown out any debate.

I didn't suggest it made the theory "right"

I was suggesting that a large enough portion of the community shared some fundamental concerns with the "photo" and not all of them are tin foil hat wearing kooks.

Obviously my point mentioning 9/11 truthers is the TRUTH that they had the courage to stand up and POINT OUT THAT 9/11 IS NOT WHAT IT IS SAID TO BE...please don't confuse my intention by mincing words.

The conspiracy movement is

The conspiracy movement is harmless simply because they never put a human face on the criminals. It is always 'they', 'TPTB', 'NWO' etc. If they do put names it is politicians who are expected to be villofied and no one pays much attention.

This is different. A member of the public, without ANY proof is being maligned as a crisis actor after losing his legs in a terrorist attack. Sometimes rather than making hard rules for everything, it is better to just use your discretion as Mr. Nystrom has done.

Are they floating

Actors pretending they got their legs blown off screed?...if so prisonplanet.com down the street around the corner.

Its funny how your post is

Its funny how your post is downvoted but Mr. Nystrom's, which basically agrees with yours is upvoted =D

Got to love the consistency and moral fortitude of the usual suspects.

Michael Nystrom's picture

That's the thing

Not even Prison Planet is pushing that BS.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts
metalhed19's picture

What is wrong with people

What is wrong with people here, this is M. Nystrom's site, got to be a lot of work keeping it going, it's one of the best sites online! I think a big reason for all the "conspiracy" threads is that RP retired, and people are getting bored, and part of them don't like Rand Paul cause he endorsed Romney. We all knew in our hearts Rom was going to be gifted the nom, the epic fillibuster should have ovverrode that BS endorsment that none of us listened or heeded anyway. Bring back some of the farming, aquaponics and the positive stuff.

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

I don't think Michael is obligated to state his reasons

Its his business. If you don't like it, adios....
Don't make martyres out of these guys. I'm sure it is for the right reasons.

Perhaps we should all start thinking about what positive impact we can have and offer solutions that can be realized. Everything else is simply conjecture...

We just need to get back to the
PEACE
GOLD
and
LOVE

Michael, keep smiling brother, there is a lot of good out here.

DEX

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Hi, dex!

You're right but, I appreciated the fact that Michael thinks enough of us to tell us his reason for the bannings. It seems like a lot of friends have disappeared and losing more of them isn't making me feel comfortable here anymore.

Thanks for the explanation, Michael. I wasn't questioning your judgment with the recent bannings, just wondering what happened, since I tend to avoid those kinds of threads.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Sometimes a man has to take a stand

I'm sure we can still enjoy this great site and all contribute constructivly without needing to understand Big Mike's reasoning.

This DP thing I'm sure started out as a nice little hobby but now in many ways its a cross to bear.

I think this time we just need to respect the decision and accept it.

Lets face it, we get away with alot of nonsense here and probably push the line a bit.

Hey, we got a lot other things we can talk about and hash out.

Lets let this one go shall we?

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Nonna

Notice I raised the issue, NOT Michael. That is partly the point, if you are going to ban long time contributors from a community, have the courtesy to inform the the community of the ban as well as the reasons. No ? If for no other reason than we have come to expect that sort of transparency from this site.

Again, this is Michael's site, until it is time to donate of course.. then it is a community. I hate to be this guy, I respect what he has done, he has done a wonderful job and given a lot. I am not suggesting that he profits from these donations, he doesn't I am sure. Yet when you ask for donations you can't completely disregard the individual community member any longer with the "it's my site if you don't like it leave" argument.

Didn't thank you because I was focused on the dexter's comment.

And yes, thank you, Ed for bringing the subject up. Can't agree that Michael owes anyone an explanation but, once the question is asked, an answer is good to have. Just can't see setting a precedent for Michael having to justify everything he does here. It's still his house and we are guests, whether or not we pay for that privilege.

IMO, your questioning of the recent bannings is valid but, making more of it isn't. Just sayin'.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I get it

I don't want to make more of it.

In fact I feel like, in some weird way perhaps that I am trying to defend this site, not attack it. Maybe I am wrong but it seems if we lose what makes this site great, we lose this site.

This really wasn't intended to become a standoff.

Michael Nystrom's picture

You can leave, you can stay, you can donate, you can not

Everything here is voluntary except for the bottom line:

"It's my site if you don't like it leave"

I have always thought that was clear.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

thank you

...but can we stay ?

that is the question. Who is welcome and who is not? Who will post a comment that unknowing gets them banned? What comments are acceptable, which aren't ?

I am almost sorry I raised this question, I certainly did not want it to come to this.

Dude

Come on...Let it go....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Let go

of his concern?

Why?

DUDE...NO

cause if I let this go, so goes my ability to defend what makes this such an amazing site.

Understand,I get it, I already said I wish I hadn't brought this up. But I did. I need to know if I should continue to stick around here. I need to know what can be said, what can not. And so does everyone else for that matter. We already lost at least two long time members AND FRIENDS.

I have asked for that list

on several occasions.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I'm not going to allow the DP to be used to push the

"Boston bombing was staged with actors"

"The blood was fake blood"

"Jeff Bauman didn't really lose his legs - he's an actor"

meme (s), over and over and over and over again to the point of absurdity.

So I banned them, and about 5 other users who wanted to keep pushing those memes.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

last i heard...

being offended is fucking bullshit...

why are you or anyone else offended by some posts? they have not harmed or deprived a person of their property... aren't people allowed to say what they believe even if the majority doesn't agree?

look, i may not agree with what you say, but i would DIE to protect your RIGHT to say it.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

That may make a nice slogan, but it doesn't hold true.

People have the right to offended, and people have the right to say offensive things, but they don't have the right to occupy others property.

A guest may say something offensive in your house, and you may choose to kick them out.

This is Michael's property and he has the right to do with it as he pleases, that includes the right to exclude.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

hey fair enough.

just don't expect any company.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

Michael Nystrom's picture

You are free to leave at any time

No one is forcing you to be here.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

yeah...

and is that the concept we are discussing here?
"are we free to leave the site or not"?

i thought we were discussing the right and wrong of banning people for content we may disagree with or we percieve as "harmful" when they are just words and not actions, protected by the 1st amendment, that all people should be willing to die for their right to convey, even if someone does not agree with them.

to me, all this is doing is giving credence to statist who are controlling the "moralilty" of others through law instead of by changing their hearts and minds by example not by force...

but hey, it is what it is... i didn't post that stuff nor participate in it... i didn't vote on it. i didn't comment on it, i ignored it after i saw what they had to post, which is the moral thing to do.

Listen to All, Follow None.

i'm not trying to make you mad or anything, i just want you to question your own actions...

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

Reputation Matters

A website or a name has a reputation, and that reputation MATTERS. THE MSM / RNC troll this site looking for ammo to stories about how crazy the RP types are. Those threads that claim that X event is staged, or that Y person is a government actor add fuel to the claims that this website and Dr. Paul can be safely ignored as the domain of crazy tinfoil hat types.

In my opinion, anything that serves to raise the reputation of Dr. Paul and the DP website, deserves to be highlighted, and anything that would drag the website down into the muck of conspiracy land needs to be removed.

Like it or not, if you comment with a real name (as I do) then your reputation is attached to this site, even if you do not endorse the crazy crap that other posters espouse.

Jason Robinson
Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org

Jason Robinson
Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
http://www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org

only things YOU post.

can affect YOUR reputation...

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.