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Bombing suspect won't be charged as 'enemy combatant'

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/22/breaking-bom...

(CNN) - The surviving suspect in last week's Boston Marathon bombings, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, "will not be treated as an enemy combatant," but rather will be prosecuted "through our civilian system of justice," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters Monday afternoon.

"Under U.S. law, United States citizens cannot be tried in military commissions," he said.



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egapele's picture

Translation: we'll let this guy have a trial

but we're gonna change some laws so the next "domestic terrorist" doesn't get one.

Fixing the criminal complaint:It's a State crime not Federal,etc

Although he is now at least in the system and is not being called a "military combatant", so there is some improvement, there is no federal jurisdiction in this case, it's a State crime.

Likely, he will also be charged with State crimes, thereby giving the problem of double jeopardy. This has caused problems in the past, so charging him in two different jurisdictions should be dropped - and he should be charged in the State only, where the crimes were actually committed.

If you read the criminal complaint, you'll see the following things contrived:

"weapon of mass destruction", is nonsense.
"using it to destroy property" - all of which is in the State of Massachusetts, so not federal, is again nonsense.

Strike "territory (district) of Massachusetts" and put "State of Massachusetts" in for where it occurred.

Strike "United States of America" as plaintiff, and do not put "State of Massachusetts" in as plaintiff, but the actual murder victims, injury victims, and property victims of the bombing. Putting in a State as a plaintiff instead of the actual victims was one of the first corruptions to our legal system. States are not actual victims - and it is a violation of your rights to have accusers that you can not face.

Put in the lawyers of those representing the plaintiffs (aka prosecutors) and defendants if you will - which in this case currently is the public defender and public prosecutor - which can later be changed to private lawyers on either side, but be aware that having socialized public prosecutors is what originally caused this mess - they usurped their authority over the decades and a hundred years to end up having this mess, which resembles nothing as to what it was or should be.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Still with the negative

Still with the negative comments? This is the way it SHOULD be done!

Why

Are people ignoring the picture of the two navy seals. The backpack fits the same white label as the one exploded. And the man was running with out his back pack afterwards.Why are we ignoring this? They haven't showed us any proof of the kid doing it. It was clearly the two navy seals. ( Craft ).

Because it was debunked.

Because it was debunked.

I see

I see now

sure...

now that the suspect has been given an injection that has turned him into a cabbage head and had his vocal chords and voice box removed...he is good to go.

I hate to say it.

But I think this is to appease the masses, and they have no intention of allowing him to live to see his day in court.

Thats not their M.O. They'll

Thats not their M.O.

They'll set a court date, just wont be anytime soon

That goes without saying.

The mafia can't look like an actual mafia where the masses are concerned.

This will make Hannity's head explode

last week he was all in for the enemy combatant label. He wanted this guy tortured never seen again. No lawyers, no 4th amendment, no trial necessary.

I'd put my money on an implosion...

Mark Stanley said it beautifully

Mark Stanley said it beautifully (via one of the characters in his web comic):

"So if the accusation is great enough, we throw the rule of law out the window?"

"The greater the accusation, the more important it is that the rights of the accused are not violated."

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

robot999's picture

Now THAT

I would watch!

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Who Signed The Consent Form For Sedation Medication?

In this CNN article here (see: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/health/boston-sedation-explain... ) the doctors describe how a patient can be brought out of medical sedation (i.e., "sedation holiday") for periods of time and them returned to full sedation again.
In order for deep sedation to be used, there must be consent given either by the patient or someone who has permission to give consent on the patient's behalf (see: http://www.drugs.com/cg/deep-sedation.html ).

If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was not awake an alert to give consent, then who signed the sedation consent form? Why would the doctors keep him sedated and for how long will it continue? How will his lawyer be able to communicate with him if he does not remain awake?

Good question

many times you will find "official" correspondences from GovCorp Inc officials do not even bear an autograph or seal - nor are they "official" in any way.

It's very likely some ignorant doctor looked at some very official looking form with NO autograph on it and just "did his job" without question.

Autographing a document like that would make that individual legally responsible for the action... nobody in "gov" wants to be responsible or held liable for anything they do. They like to steal from you purely on your own ignorance... rather than breaking the law.

Dear, Government Are, you

Dear, Government

Are, you sure?

Regards
Miranda Rights

AFTER a forced confession, they read him his Miranda Rights

is what I heard. I hope someone recorded this. I hope he had enough sense not to cooperate. After all, it was the FBI that killed his brother, and it was the FBI that shot at him.

I DO NOT BELIEVE HE CONFESSED ANYTHING----but they will say anything.

is what I heard

please elaborate...

doesn't matter

anything he said prior to being mirandized cannot be used in court. The purpose of delaying Miranda is to get info that might prevent another attack...but the info will be suppressed in court.

Perhaps they interrogated him

Perhaps they interrogated him before reading his rights was to bypass an attorney so they could get intel on possible other plots or who trained them ect and maybe they have enough damning evidence without a confession so it would not matter if the confession was thrown out because the info they sought was not going to be used in court anyway. Just saying.

White House Spokesman Jay Carney said:

“He will not be treated as an enemy combatant,” White House Spokesman Jay Carney said [in] a media briefing.

“We will process this terrorist through our system of justice,” he said.

(my emphasis added)

Is this not an example of 'Command Influence' to label him as a terrorist before a trial to determine this allegation?

EDIT: Quote Source: http://rt.com/usa/suspect-awake-charges-questioning-210/

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

JAY CARNEY----will wake up in----HELL----someday

for his being an accomplice to the government crimes against humanity. He is responsible for covering up, for lying, and THIS is a BIG, BIG LIE. How does he sleep at night, anyway?

There are lots of great pharmecuticals for that

and lots of idiots forking over tax dollars so politicians can buy them.

An American citizen

An American citizen committing a crime on American soil...

Anyone claiming he could be tried as an enemy combatant (Lindsay Graham) is ignorant of the law.

Ass hat Lindsay Graham

was making the circuit today spouting how he was going to make sure that law enforcement have all the "tools" to insure they don't miss this again.

SteveMT's picture

Here is the FBI link: two short sentences long.

Update on Condition of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
FBI Boston April 22, 2013

Special Agent Greg Comcowich (617) 223-6110

According to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev remains in serious condition. The FBI is releasing this information at the request of the hospital.
http://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-releases/2013/update-on-cond...

Moments ago, in addition to White House spokesman John Carney announcing Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who became a US citizen several years ago, will not be treated as an enemy combatant and that he has just been charged under seal, the FBI released a "status update" on his health condition, which is listed as "serious."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-c...