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Rand Paul wins PLC Presidential Straw Poll

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul has emerged as a favorite among Pennsylvania’s conservative activists. By a wide margin, he won the presidential straw poll at this weekend’s Pa. Leadership Conference.

Paul rose to national prominence earlier this year when he filibustered on the Senate floor to protest the Obama administration’s vague definition of its own powers vis-a-vis drone strikes.

In so doing he took up the mantle of his father, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), whose brand of libertarian Republicanism energized conservative grassroots for years.

Many observers expect Paul to make a run at the GOP presidential nomination in 2016.

This year’s PLC was the 24th annual gathering of movement conservatives from across Pa.

Paul took 39% of the votes. Florida Senator Marco Rubio came in second with 18%.


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The real function of Rand, the Tea Party, Limbaugh and Beck

In the beginning of the revival of Conservatism, under Gingrich in Congress and Rush Limbaugh in media, it was greatly libertarian in its economic message, and we were all allies. Bush Sr. had stepped on his lip about taxes. The first war in Iraq had seemed unnecessary, ill-advised and of course a very bad precedent to we libertarians, but we didn't have a litmus test for who would assume operation of the Republican Liberty Caucus concession we had started.
Unfortunately we soon found ourselves shoved aside from advisory leadership roles. As somewhat pacifist types, we suddenly found the committees infected with agents incompetente rather than agents provocateur. This leadership seemed to marginalize the organization by being lazy, spending every dime that came in on projects that facilitated self-promotion, and other wastes and omissions. Those who demanded transparency and accountability in the finances were purged. Other leaders followed who appeared to be caretakers rather than radical activists bent on fighting the gathering thunderheads of statism under Democratic leadership and GOP complicity.
I handed off the chair of the Texas chapter to a trusted friend from high school who just happened to be the state senator who had gotten concealed carry legalized, Jerry Patterson. He was a Vietnam veteran, Marine pilot, and currently the twice-reelected Land Commissioner of Texas (he'll run for Lieutenant Governor in 2014). The Texas chapter developed itself independently of the national leadership, and now the former Texas chair who took over from Jerry, Dave Nalle, is the National Chair of the RLC.
Over the last couple of years the group has become more vocally antiwar than before. We will see just how much at the upcoming. National Convention in Austin, May 10-12.
I say all this to provide a reflection of opinion about the relentless fearmongering and warmongering amongst what we hoped would be the best minds in the Republican Party. It is lethal. It has already toppled the GOP. It is fatal to the Constitution and to Liberty, and that is now obvious to even the most devoted Sigmoidist.* Nor has even our contingent developed an approach to attract sensible antiwar progressives, many of whom surprisingly showed up for Ron in the primaries, as we older activists thought they might.
It's generally known that Ron's first Boston Tea Party Day Money Bomb started the Tea Party movement, although it quickly became quite corrupted with neocons and mainstream Republican operatives. It was the kind of parade you want to jump in front of, if you are a devoted opportunist. Along with Rand's version of libertarian realism, Limbaugh and Beck, these are all reflections of the same mindset that initiated the still unproven idea that Liberty can be protected and defended by the members and the influence of this party. Lacking Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, we must hold the Rand Paul contingent dear, and indeed he is leading in early presidential straw polls.
Rand is a rallying point, imperfect as a libertarian he might be, but we can't expect Rothbardian purity, although I'm getting tired of waiting. But he can serve as a bridge between the movement and disgraced neocon-worshippers like Limbaugh and Beck, who seem to be trying to turn themselves into neo-libertarians, or at least neo-TeaPartiers. These people are still our ugly cousins and friends, just as my relatives who have slowly come to understand what this thing is that I have devoted my life to, which is so contrary to the kind of Sovietism that condones torture, drones, Guantanamo, changes its rules in the middle of a convention and disowns what could have been the winning margin.
Liberty requires a radical mindset to understand and defend effectively. Many Tea Partiers think they are cutting-edge intellectuals and responsible defenders of liberty, but they remain nationalistic and jingoist dupes as long as they fail to grok the war racket. Rand can help them with that, although he gets dangerously close to the bed himself. He may have had to make some kind of deal as the only way to have a place to speak.
Rand provided an outstanding reading list on the floor of the Senate during the filibuster. His dad has written plenty, and everything the newby activist needs to know is referenced there.
The new GOP rules are brutal. Show up from the beginning and try to win each and every precinct for Rand's or Ron's viewpoint. If it becomes obvious we will not be allowed to win, and we know they will not win legally, we should loudly bolt and start the non-violent but nevertheless serious revolution, for real. Those of us who know how to get things on the ballot may be called upon again to fight that incredibly difficult war, but with money it could theoretically still be done. I'm 66 and I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in living under slavery or seeing my grandchildren do so. Or, intention of doing so.

* Sigmoidist, a person who seems intent upon doing his own visual inspection of the Sigmoid area (lower colon).

"To the morally inverted, war appears as a quick, clear path to the top." -- Preston Parker

Bump for Rand.

Let's hope he is a chess master.

Definition of insanity:

"Trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results."

Ron Paul won all the straw polls too but look where that got him? Electing a president is an impossible task at the current time... ESPECIALLY with the new RNC rules which basically guarantees no grass roots candidate will get the nomination.

If you thought it was tuff last time around in the delegate battles... just wait till you get railroaded by the new RNC rules.

I really wish people would stop focusing on what lame stream media wants them to focus on: THE FEDERAL "GOVERNMENT" INC. Instead they need to be thinking about WHO is MOST responsible for defending their rights other than themselves?

THE SHERIFF OF YOUR COUNTY - THAT'S WHO! Do you EVEN KNOW HIS NAME??? Did you know that there's prob a 50/50 chance he didn't even have an OPPONENT in his last election???

IS YOUR COUNTY ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY 86'd their sheriff position? The PTB is desperately trying to get rid of sheriffs before ALL OF US FIGURE OUT THE KEY TO PROTECTING OUR RIGHTS - ELECTING CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFFS - Let's just start with ONE HUH?

whats up

with this pie chart?! can hardly tell who is what color and what amount of votes they received?!

last time I checked there were more colors in the spectrum than this.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

Great news about

Rand! Disturbing that still so many do not realize that Rubio is NOT a natural born citizen, thus ineligible to be POTUS:

natural born citizen defined: born in the country to parents (plural) who themselves are citizens (parents do not have to be natural born citizens, just citizens)

Rubio and Jindal are ineligible due to their parents not being citizens when they were born.

Cruz is ineligible due to being born in Canada.

Obama is iffy (some say Barack Obama, Sr. is NOT O's father--if he is Obama's father, then Obama is ineligible since Obama, Sr. was NEVER a United States citizen of any kind).
Then there's the place of birth issue...

See Minor Vs. Happersett
Another source (of many): http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond

Rand Paul, He's catching on.

Rand Paul, He's catching on.

I'm with you Rand.

As a 6 year veteran of the Liberty Movement, I am proud to pledge my support to Rand, and I thank my state of Pennsylvania for showing some good sense in this straw poll.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Good for him

Lets just hope things last long enough for a 2016 election lol.

I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees...

Only (((LL))) and me STAND WITH RAND

I wish more folks on DP would STAND WITH RAND.

(((( Granger ))))

Lunch time hugs for you*)))

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sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


Listen with me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompu0PwjBWc

Dance with me.

Thank you

This coffee is to you.
And this song:

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sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

<(((((GRANGER((((((#~ ~~Your Wish

Has been granted!
Standing With Rand.

Exercise Liberty.
Become a Precinct Comitteeperson. Because Ron Paul said so!

America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

(((((((((((((American Nomad))))))))))))))

Exercize Liberty, Become a County GOP Central Committee member representing your county district, county, region, distict and state.

GOOD TO SEE YOU and to know you STAND WITH RAND!!!!

He's Not Ron

But I'd absolutely be willing to take my chances w/ Rand. I still hold out hope that he's "playing the game" to try to win the confidence of the R's and then he'll be like his dad if he somehow gets into power (which I'd still be stunned if it happened because I find it hard to believe they'd ever trust Ron Paul's son).

Even if Rand isn't just like his dad, he's million times better than the neocon types (e.g. John McCain, Romney, etc).

I'm standing

with Rand, Granger...and Kevin, I agree he's a million times better than the neocon types.

I do think we have to 'hold his feet to the fire'. There have been some things he's done and/or said that have disturbed me, but as stated many times, I think he's playing a very strategic game of chess. I also honestly think the only way liberty can win peacefully is the same way it was lost--in dribs and drabs. Most people cannot handle drastic change...it must be given in small doses. Just getting Rand into office, getting more liberty-minded candidates into Congress, getting rid of most-to-all of the damage from the past 10+ years (Patriot Act, NDAA, etc.) will go far towards turning this country around, imo...

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond

Me too.

Me too.



What would the Founders do?

Bump to stay above some of

Bump to stay above some of the three hundred Boston bombing conspiracy threads

Rand will be on Cavuto tonight @ 8:00 EST

Fox Business Channel

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

wait until people find out

wait until people find out about Rubio and his 'immigration reform'. His political career will be over.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Comments on Drudge articles

I always read a lot of the comment section on articles I find on Drudge. Most of the comments about Rubio are now negative...so I'm not really seeing him as much of a threat. If you view Drudge, it seems to kind of be anti-Rubio in regards to this immigration fiasco.

I thought Michael Savage was

I thought Michael Savage was going to explode going off about Rubio last week.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

This is good news. Also, Rand

This is good news. Also, Rand Paul is hot.

Rand just needs to start

Rand just needs to start appearing on more forums that aren't strictly political. Go on the talk shows, late night shows, etc. and keep going out there. Keep the name and the face front and center.


Rand needs to jettison almost every idea he ever had; including coming out for the cretin Mitt Romney. He is nothing but a tool of the NeoCons. Most of you people are just one more degenerate cog in his wheel.

Rand could give a rat's ass about liberty. He's All In for Rand. Most of you simple sponges are too naive to see through his disgusting agenda. Or, you are being paid to support it.

Oxymoron: Rand Paul and Liberty. Soon all of you Rand Paul bottom feeders will be saying, "We hate political whores, except of course, for our political whore, Rand.

Peace Love and Liberty; All hate Rand Paul


bump bump...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams



"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix


*(Couldn't resist being another Bump...)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15