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Boston bomber: Could this video be considered "proof?"

I'm willing to risk Nystrom's wrath and being jeered for posting when I said I would be (really ought to be) in the garden, but... You folks are like family to me, except that at least some of you actually listen... lol! This seems important in the extreme to me, if not the "proof" the youtuber claims, it is far closer than anything the MSM has offered up. (By the way, you all DO realize they did NOT hold up the 7-11? That was 2 other guys PRETENDING to be them. Think about that for a while.)

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curious gear on guy sprinting thru..

first 5 frames of these photos-what is that dangling from his knee?
wrist? out front of his neck/chest?

Collection of 27 photos immediately taken seconds after the explosion

http://benthorndike.smugmug.com/Other/Marathon-Explosion-Photos/28935557_ZjvV65#!i=2459431165&k=wCPkhHj

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This video is crap

the merc he identifies as not having his backpack is shown having it after the explosion in the picture below (at the "now here" location. It is the same picture he uses in the video but claims it is before the explosion.

The video is BS on this point.

I agree with you fishy.

The little white square is not on the pack of either boy.

Here are pictures of the two boys with their packs still on up to 10 min before the explosion. See slide 3 and 6. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for the slides.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/boston-marathon-sus...

"Remain calm this is just a drill" broadcast just before the explosions.
How quickly we all forget.

So why am I being voted down? It begins to feel like some people here are simply attacking when they see my name. What I have said is valid.

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Why do you assume that is the backpack that exploded?

You see a picture of crumpled fabric and you "know" it is the exploded backpack?

How do you come by that information? The MSM? I thought the MSM was a false narrative? But it is ok to pick and choose some information from the MSM to build your case?

All I'm trying to do is show that what you and the guy in the video call "proof" is just conjecture, based on assumption. If you change the assumption, the "proof" falls apart.

Lots of backpacks have little white squares on them.

He's the man.

FYI the video they allege

FYI the video they allege where he is dropping the bomb shows a plastic bag, not a backpack.

So missing a backpack doesn't show anything. The MSM and government is actually claiming the bomb was set off in two different things - a bag, and a backpack.

Expect more contradictions like this.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Agree, Michael.

But IF that is the pack that exploded it does not belong to one of the two boys. The case against the two suspects for now has no evidence.

Let us not forget how easily the public is deluded by the media, CIA, FBI, AND the government. I withhold my opinion on the two suspects. Innocent until proven guilty.

AND how do we explain witnesses saying that it was broadcast just before the explosion: Remain calm this is just a drill.

lol someone voted you down. It was not me.

Hey

Can you provide the source for this statement you keep repeating. Thanks.
"AND how do we explain witnesses saying that it was broadcast just before the explosion: Remain calm this is just a drill."

Listen at 0:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq6PHZRiVaM
BOSTON BOMBING STARTED WITH DRILL

No

"AND how do we explain witnesses saying that it was broadcast just before the explosion: Remain calm this is just a drill."

I can find absolutely no one that claims this but you. The link you gave me, the guy says that there were bomb sniffing dogs and a announcement at the START of the race in the athletes village. I bleieve there is at least one other person that confirms what this guy says as well. I am not saying that this didn't happen at the start of the race, I believe that it did. But unless you can prove otherwise, there was no broadcast "just before the explosion" to "remain calm, this is just a drill." You have your facts mixed up.

After explosions, Merc is

After explosions, Merc is spotted with bag still on

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There is a picture of a merc

There is a picture of a merc crouching down and removing something from his backpack in a doorway - perhaps the one behind the explosion here.

So having a backpack on is not saying he didn't remove something from it.

Regardless, being right on top of the bomb - not noticing the bombers, and somehow removing yourself from the area right before the explosion is suspicious. How did you know to move?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Edit - one of the men is now

Edit - one of the men is now holding his backpack in his hand - like he took something out of it?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

By the way - could a hand grenade cause this?

By the way, what if the "pressure cooker bomb" was complete bullshit, and one of the military people threw a hand grenade in the crowd.

I'm not really convinced about the "pressure cooker pot" found on the rooftop story as the person who claimed it.

There is already 2-3 different stories of what the bomb was allegedly in - a backpack of one color shown on TV as blown up, a backpack of a different color that the suspect had, and a bag - platic, shown on video captured that day and not a backpack at all.

Those two things contradict. Not many people were killed.

A question, not a theory nor an allegation - could a hand grenade have caused this?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I'm as skeptical as the next guy

BUT... I think I remember seeing a photo of the "merc" in question AFTER the explosions, WITH his backpack on.

Don't hold me to that yet. I want to find the picture I'm referring to

EDIT: Scroll UP for picture I'm referring to

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These are the "Leonard" pics of the Tsaernev brothers

Taken only 20 mins before the bombings apparently.

I see backpack straps.
Photos:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/20/photos...
Article:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/20/taunton-mans-photos-ca...

Never a shortage of topics to discuss with Fishy around hah!

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No wrath fishy, just disappointment

That video - seriously?

1) Clearly that is his arm, as the Lorax demonstrates below.

2) As for the little square on the remains of the exploded backpack:

a) Why is it automatically assumed that the ripped up backpack is the one that contained the bomb? Doesn't that information come from the MSM? If so, according to you, it should automatically be distrusted. If we don't trust the MSM at all, we have no proof that that is even the backpack that held the bomb.

b) Commercially produced backpacks have little white squares on them too. Does that prove anything?

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What is disappointing is that this thread has 14 up votes.

He's the man.

Michael

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the government narrative in Vietnam, the ridicule heaped on anyone daring to question that narrative, and the exposing of the government narrative as utter lies 5-10 years after the fact.

You certainly should be old enough to remember the government and mainstream media narrative concerning Iraq, the WMDs and the rest of that narrative.

It's our responsibility as citizens to question the government, to hold it accountable and to put it under the microscope.

Remember, under that same narrative Ron Paul is a liar, a racist and a kook. I for one, am skeptical of government and media narratives.

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I wasn't around for Vietnam

I was born right in the middle of it, and a very young child by the time it ended.

I have no problem with questioning the official narrative. But it has to be done intelligently.
A video with the lame and flawed logic like this one - offering it as "PROOF!" no less, like the "Jeff Bauman was an actor and never had legs" meme, do more harm than good for legitimate challenges to the narrative.

Things like this are nothing more than entertainment and titilation. There is no proof here, only speculation, conjecture and fantasy.

It's our responsibility as citizens to question the government, to hold it accountable and to put it under the microscope.

I absolutely agree. But like Josh said below - you don't throw all of your critical thinking skills out the window in a desperate grasp for an alternate narrative.

I for one, am skeptical of government and media narratives.

I am too. But I am also skeptical of "alternative media" narratives. Some people think that everything in the New York Times is false, and everything on Before Its News is true. That is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Yes, be skeptical of official narratives. But be equally skeptical of alternate narrative, and don't just accept them because they are the alternate.

The government may lie to further its agenda. Some people lie because they like the attention.

He's the man.

What's wrong with being equally skeptical of alternate theories?

Are we supposed to abandon critical thinking and blindly accept alternate theories without putting them through the same examination we would put to the official theories?

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Nuthin'

By all means be equally as skeptical of alternate theories.

I've never said anything to the contrary.

Proof

Is coming.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/22/boston-...

But then even after that does get released, some people say it is fake.

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It sounded like the video was already out

But I've looked all over, and haven't been able to find it.

He's the man.

No

I don't think the videos they are talking about in the article are available yet. But I don't doubt that other videos will surface as well as time goes on. I think it's very possible that all videos will be examined closely and other videos will be found that captured a drop.

Because they wait

Why not just show us the video now of him putting the bag down near the child. When people wait, it looks shady and some people assume it was fake or edited.

I'm not a lawyer

But it doesn't seem unusual to me for key pieces of evidence to not come out until the trial in a case that's going to get alot of news coverage. So they can find a jury that hasn't made prejudgements. I don't know. I know evidence about 9-11 came out in the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that people didn't know they had. Either way it would not be the only piece of evidence and there is NO amount of evidence that will suffice to some. We'll see. When it gets released if you think it's fake come back here and tell me why/how.

"Proof" Men in Black and Khaki

Security still had on backpacks and ran what appears to be towards blast


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This

Is a good catch. You might have just shut me up on this theory.

The photo of those two men...

was taken 1 minute and 57 seconds after the first explosion, and clearly the man on the right can be seen with his backpack: http://i.imgur.com/9vGr70O.jpg

Besides the aftermath of the explosion being clearly visible, the marathon timer shows 4:11:40

The first explosion occurred at 4:09:43 as can be seen here: https://vine.co/v/bFdt5uwg6JZ/embed

Those using a cropped version of the photo, claiming it was taken before the explosion, are either being intentionally dishonest or are unwittingly spreading disinformation.

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No backpack from what I can see in this pic/angle

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