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What Do You Believe In?

I mean what do you truly, really, seriously believe in?

Many say they believe in the Constitution, but few live like they believe in the Constitution. I don't know anyone using silver as legal tender and I don't see anyone indicting treasonous politicians. We might believe in the Constitution in the mind but certainly not in reality.

Many also say they believe in God, or Allah or whatever you call Him. However, very few live like they believe in God. I've never met anyone who doesn't sin. A true believer in God and heaven would be a fearless radical dedicated to initiating the natural law of God's nature and nature's God in my opinion. A true believer certainly wouldn't believe they are righteous because they pray at night and sing on sundays.

Many say they believe in liberty, but very few actually live free. Most people willingly pay unfair taxes, follow BS laws, and comply with the law whenever confronted with it whether the law is unconstitutional or not, whether truly at liberty or not, many blindly follow the law.

I say I believe in the Constitution, God, and Liberty, but my reality looks much different than that.

In this day it's hard to find belief in anything, so my question to the DP is:

What do you believe in? Please be specific and tell me why. Thanks.

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I believe

in love and the dignity of choice

I believe

The sole purpose of man is to reproduce

I believe that

the Native Americans were so much wiser than our founding fathers (and mothers). They knew how to live off the land, they knew how to survive. They knew how to govern themselves without mass murder and greed. They knew how to love the earth, and their gifts from nature. They knew that nobody could own the dirt, and that the "iron horse" (railroads) would bring destruction. They honored animals, and even women.

I believe, white man has caused the destruction of the entire world. Don't take that personally, I'm white too.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

My one thing: That we who already believe in the Resurrection

of Jesus Christ are not perfect yet. We strive to be there, and someday will. It's not a matter of perfection here and now, but growth in both understanding and action. As we apply what we learn, we grow in wisdom and progress 'from glory to glory'/

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Oh Lord............


The real Jesus could not even save himself, let alone anyone else.

And any so-called "God" that would choose to torture or kill him, or kill Martin L. King, or kill Ghandi, etc., is not a God worth respecting in the first place --- it's just Dick Cheney in disguise.

Listen to the truth from the great George Carlin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjVLJKR6g7U


Starting with your 2nd premise first....

"God" did not choose His path for Him, He chose it himself, and admitted it:

"Nobody takes my life from me, I lay it down of my own accord." Then He added, "and I have the power to take it up again!"

There were over 500 witnesses to His resurrection, and some of these were die-hard skeptics. (Including the writer of most of the New Testament)

The real Jesus was a person who walked, talked and lived his life in the part of the Roman Empire known as Israel. That much even skeptics will affirm. the question is:
Is that person a.....
1) liar
2)lunatic
3)legend
or who both former enemies of His message and confirmed believers claimed Him to be?

DYOC, but seek truth in the process, being willing to run wherever it leads.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

and this is WHY the Daily Paul is fading away...

...this kind of provoking rhetoric, along with the foul-mouthed tirades against the government and other Americans("not awake") by Adam Kokesh and Alex Jones loyalists/trolls..

You guys claim patriotism, but George Washington set that bar for us already..."Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness..."

Our politics FAIL because guys like you help the predatory purveyors of the counterfeit Christianity that you judge Christianity by in total ignorance! You may reject Christ on a personal level but to aid and comfort the enemy who has given us this mess we're in politically economically, spiritually; well, you're NO help.

George Carlin, while aware of great hypocrisy and cronyism, is in hell for eternity for rejecting Christ...this movement DIES if Christ/God haters like you are given any honor; because you haven't the wits about you to keep it to yourself!

Your kind loves these sentiments from Mick Jagger...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfUrX627B6Q

Why don't you go tell George

Why don't you go tell George Carlin's family where he is?

Why don't you go out on a street with a megaphone and read out a list of all those who are in hell and beg people to follow Christ so they don't go there too?

That's right because in your heart of hearts even you know its bullshit.

Have a great day.

I gave Carlin his due accolades...

...I also do to many atheists and agnostics who are smart enough not to open up and attack with GREAT mockery...non Christians are of great value, haters consumed in self-ignorance are HARMFUL to the good we hope to accomplish....

You rail at my beliefs, I'll give you an earful....I don't slap-and-run, or vote up or vote down...I know some appreciate my candor and unwillingness to back down....but mark my words, if the majority of this forum does not shame stuff like this out of here, this site's days, and it's reputation are numbered...

Why don't you fudge off from

Why don't you fudge off from here and do some stupid radio show then?

Your candor? Well tell me the truth about where I'm going after death...tell me where my parents are going...tell me where my sister is going after death. If you have so much candor and courage then tell me.

None of them believe in Christ, two are doctors who have saved countless lives of mother and child. One is man literally worshiped by everyone in the city for his honesty and simplicity despite having held one of the highest offices in the country, currently working to reform the police to a force less dependent on violence.

Don't say 'The Bible says' or 'The Lord saith' or any other such crap, tell me your own opinion. What have you done with all your knowledge of the bible? Saved a single life? Made a significant difference in the world.

If you don't care for this world, just fudge off to the next one already! Why do you stay with us infidels?

Stupid religious wackjob.

interesting rationale...

...not surprising though...

No chance then...that there is a Creator, who formed man in His image and likeness? No chance He made man a help meet, to pro-create with, to exemplify/establish an institution called the family?

No chance that because this man Adam disobeyed a direct commandment from his Creator, that sin was passed onto all mankind...no chance that sinful thoughts, words, and deeds permeated so much of the Earth that the Creator saw fit to destroy the whole planet in a great cataclysmic flood; in which He saved ONE faithful obedient man, his wife, his 3 sons, and their wived some 4400 years ago?

No chance that evidence of this worldwide flood event is perhaps so compelling, so plausible insomuch as one might also open their mind to the cataclysmic event known as the literal 6 twenty-four hour day creation event less than 10,000 years
ago?

Is there no Creator? Are the NO moral laws binding upon mankind? Are you sure the hearts of your family members are hearts of stone, so rock hard in rejection of the possibility that the Creator of heaven and Earth and all that dwells therein equipped them to do the good works that they do, insomuch that one day all the gratitude they receive from those they've impacted will not be expressed by the words "God Bless You" so much so that they might be overwhelmed in their gratitude to the Creator, whereas they might BELIEVE that their talents, abilities, creativity, and moral choices were supernaturally ordained and imparted to them from above?

You most certainly don't know what the future holds, nor do you have any proof that the miraculous birth, life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ did not occur as the scriptures say it did.

This "tell me I'm going to hell, and my family is going to hell so I can pop you in the nose" posturing really doesn't persuade anyone that I'm loony, or, that George Carlin's foul-mouthed blasphemy and provoking invite to strike him and his audience dead on the spot is majority opinion.

You go your way, do what you think is right in your own eyes, and I'll go do my thing; I dare not say you have to submit to my theology, nor do I have to remain silent about mine...or my moral objections to all the foolish talk and foul language used to express our points of views on ANY topic...

What is your one thing... ?

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"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I believe that the only thing

I believe that the only thing that is for sure, is that nothing is for sure... and miracles, I believe in miracles.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

Hot Chocolate! ;-)

"...Where're you from, you sexy thing?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3fX2_bxEkg

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

The Ramones!

this is more like it my friend!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V1VczvVrD_I

"I've been blessed with the power to survive..."

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

I believe that humanbeings are ultimately good

I honestly believe this, despite a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary, but I also believe that a level playing field and knowledge about the principles of Liberty will bring out the best in humankind.

I believe this because I want to. Because I see it in the people around me. Because I believe that positive energy breeds positive energy. Because this is the way I want the world to be.

Even Greenland knows what's going on!

Entropy...

..gravity, magnetism, mathematics, logic, geology, physics, and on and on and on. I believe them because they cohere. All are predicated on fundamental axioms, and the evidence plus logic simply bolsters their "claims."

I also believe in taxation and rape and cancer and diabetes. Again, as an empiricist (or "Humean", or "anarcho-materialist", or "atheist", or "realitarian"...) the overwhelming evidence convinces me. I believe in many things of which I disapprove, yet their existence seems to be irrefutable.

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Beleive nothing

The only thing I believe in is all possibility. Therefore I believe nothing because my sense of the possible is infinite, and my perception of how something is can change at any time with the introduction of new information. This is the definition of being an open-minded person.

Socrates—Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I Believe in LOVE

Not the "I Love you" Love, but the actual emotion of Love. That tingling sensation in the centre of your being. LOVE is the energetic force that conquers FEAR. It is the Source of Life.

It is also my belief that all people, no matter what their motivations, are capable of True Love not just the "love" of money or power. That's not real Love. That's a misguided way of perusing one's happiness.

I don't attach this belief to any particular Faith, although it can be found in many if not all major Faiths, but rather I accept it more than just a belief—I KNOW LOVE. I experience it and I practice it. Whaaat?, you say. Yes, Practice Love. Many of us have realized we live in a society where FEAR is common place, anxiety, anger, sadness, inequality, insecurity are conditioned into our lives and we get caught up in its perpetuated momentum so that we can then be advertised to and sold what we think will bring us love.

Therein lies the beauty of LOVE. Its momentum needs not to be perpetuated. It is the Source of Creation and the Momentum of Love just IS. We simply need to "let go" and give in to LOVE and it will take hold of our lives and be the LIGHT to guide us to the happiness we all seek.

Now, to speak a little less poetically, seriously Friends—practice LOVE. Even if you are at home, alone, think of things that bring about this POWERFUL Emotion. Something as simple as an adorable puppy or smiling baby, or a loved one, and FOCUS on that little tingling FEELING inside you. Get to Know that feeling. The more you do the more quickly you will be able to identify things to the contrary and the more Love will reveal itself to you in the World around you.

We have a lot of examples this past couple of weeks to serve as a contrast to what lack of LOVE feels like. All the more reason to be Heart Strong and in a state of LOVE.

One of the easiest tools in "releasing" the momentum of perpetuated Fear (or any subset of its emotion), is Meditation (or silent Prayer). It allows us to "Shift" into a "Neutral Gear" emotionally allowing the noise to come to a stop. But, Love has a Natural Momentum to it. And it WILL begin to slowly pick up its natural momentum. Imagine being in a boat and trying to paddle up-stream. That's what many of our lives feel like. Now what do you need to do to "Go with the Flow"? You don't need to get yourself turned around and start paddling down-stream, you simply need to "Let go" and allow the Natural Current to carry you. "Surrender to LOVE."

A Quick note on "Evil"—Like "Cold" I don't believe a source of Evil exists. "Cold" is only a word we humans use to identify a degree of a lack of Heat. Much like Evil is a degree of a lack of LOVE. Many of those people who we see as Evil, simply have "pinched off" such a great degree of LOVE from their Being, that we have labelled them as Evil or Cold. So in the words of a couple wise men, "Forgive them for they know not what they do." "Forgiveness is the best Revenge."

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

The constitution is a

The constitution is a lifestyle now? Where do you expect to meet a human being that does not sin? Where do you get off telling people how a "true believer" ought to act? I thought God was supposed to be the judge, not people. Muslims do act like that already. Jesus died for sin so people didn't have to die and burn for their own sins, but I guess you missed that part. People pay taxes because they are forced to. I tried to get information out of some people as to how they get away with having no taxes withheld, and all I got were insults telling me that I am part of the problem. They can't help a supposed fellow human and steer them in the right direction. No, they are usually just unemployed losers living in basements who have no income and just play guitars all day.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

I believe in the REALITY of evil spirits...

...infecting societies, politicians, vulnerable Christ-rejecting people the planet over who craft an image
of a god in their own mind(who is NOT the Creator) to sooth themselves, forgive themselves, and rationalize away all their sins, behaviors, thoughts, and attitudes!

Rationalization, is the 2nd strongest human drive next to hunger.

"the spirit of total anarchy, chaos, and rebellion is loose in the land"; and ONLY the Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence can restrain it, or, send it where it can no longer grip the minds and hearts of Americans hellbent on heaping to themselves false teachers, who name the name of Christ, but really, demonically, just FEED the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life!

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light, (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfUrX627B6Q

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[full video of Jeff's presentation here: http://vimeo.com/m/3300824 ]

America is predominantly INTOLERANT and HOSTILE to the TRUE Gospel of Christ, and in denial of it's impact on human history. The resurrection is TRUE, the transforming power is REAL, Christ is the Creator...not the made up deity Obama lauded at that nauseating inter-faith ceremony last week...what BLASPHEMY; the whole counsel of God is offensive to those who refuse correction, and they behave brutishly against the true ministers of the Gospel(even clergymen do!)
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=42013011230&ta...

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.(11): He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Receive Him TODAY, or, you are vulnerable to the evil spirits...this is no longer a laughing matter, an intellectual matter, or a light-hearted matter: VIOLENCE and rebellion and all matter of deceit is moving about unrestrained, it's infecting our adults and children all throughout the land! The blood and carnage is evidence, and our frustration with this ungodly government is proof they're not in submission to the Creator's AUTHORITY!

I believe in THIS spiritual warfare! And I believe we're losing, and arrogantly believing we can defeat it in the flesh....wrong! God has saw fit to allow these attacks to come upon us, yet we look everywhere else, but to Him in repentance and faith, for relief....a stiffnecked people we are; yet His remnant, His ministers are all around pleading with America to take refuge in Him!

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I have reason to believe...

that this electric midnight feeling's filled with razor beams...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SMi4ztTvb0

...as well as most of the other things Bob Schneider mentions in this song.

Pandas can't drive.

believe in

Voluntarism and Peace. What Dont believe in is Conspiracy Theories.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

From the realization that I

From the realization that I believe in my self I have discovered that I believe in you. This is to say that I believe in humanity.

I believe in humanity because I hope for a righteous human awareness. Righteous human awareness cannot exist without the human being, so if I did not believe in humanity I would have no hope for human awareness.

Righteous human awareness depends upon a recognition of the laws which govern our human actions. These laws are not made by man, they are found by him; they are not created by man, they are discovered by him; they don't follow man, they precede him. The law which governs humanity is an extension of what is found within the self.

The law is found through an understanding of the self's human desires which, in turn, provides an impression regarding the desires of others. If it is joined with mutual respect, such an impression of, and care for, our fellow man will bring upon the potential for social harmony and sustainable prosperity.

As I find truth by looking into myself, I gain faith that others can find truth within themselves. I find truth in what I believe, hence my foundational belief: I believe in my self.

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I believe in God and Maths

I believe in God and Maths, both impossible to trace back to any completely explainable "origin" which would be kind enough to remain accessible to our minds - you really need two kinds of faith there, at some point (e.g., axiomatics in Maths). But I digress.

Beyond that, I find most of the rest around us very much subjective, matters of tastes, preferences, or subject to our senses, sometimes of animal instinct. Not very worthy, if at all, of firm "belief" or "faith".

Take liberty + peace and plunder + war for instance: same nature - two pairs of abstractions (yet, realizable in real world experiences, sure) - but very much opposite once they're put in practice, as experienced both by their users and, say, witnesses.

Some will prefer liberty + peace over plunder + war because they don't need plunder or coercion to survive, to sustain themselves.

Others will prefer plunder + war over liberty + peace because they don't feel they need to be either useful or self-reliant.

My .02

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

What do I believe in?

My self.

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Oh, yes, that too :)

Oh, yes, that too :)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Here's how I might start my argument.

Belief is intellectual assent. Beliefs are in solo intellectu

Faith or Understanding is in re

Beliefs are a product of the intellect. Understanding is real. As Parmenides said, "What cannot not be is real."

So whatever, my goal is to understand what is real.

The quests for beliefs are likely to draw us from the awareness of what is real. Belief is only an intellectual matter. In mathematics we can prove Fermat's Last Theorem using logical and intellectual tools.

The theorem is proven real, we can now understand the truth of the matter but our understanding need no be limited to strictly intellectual questions but one can be aware somehow, of moral, legal, and spiritual realities.

Sin is the slavery I cannot escape without God's help. To speak without anthropomorphic allusions, that without truth I am doomed to be a slave of my physiology, my psychology and history.

Flotsum and jetsom floating on the surface of a soul.

It's a long search but worth challenge for an man fit to seek grounding in reality.

Free includes debt-free!

Unitarian Christianity

It's a dead faith that has been trying to resurrect itself in recent times.

I would myself like to find like-minded souls to form a voluntary congregation (Denver area people?) of free-thinking, liberty-oriented, traditional values, rationally oriented, but can't-quite-let-go-of-God because His love has been felt types. We could discuss almost in the Quaker fashion. Sing hymns. There would be wide latitude for differences, but a common commitment to the basic premise of faith and the Christian message in the Bible, and a deep one at that.

Most of the Unitarian remnant today are rather indoctrinated progressive liberal types who I think actually cannot see other intellectual points of view despite their desire for latitude and tolerance. Either way, one need not congregate with those of different perspective to nevertheless hold them in fellowship.

So, I want a libertarian Unitarian revival. I can dream.

Anyway, here's a sampling of what old-timey Unitarians believed more or less (before Kant ruined them):

"Say what we may, God has given us a rational nature, and will call us to account for it. We may let it sleep, but we do so at our peril. Revelation is addressed to us as rational beings. We may wish, in our sloth, that God had given us a system, demand of comparing, limiting, and inferring. But such a system would be at variance with the whole character of our present existence; and it is the part of wisdom to take revelation as it is given to us, and to interpret it by the help of the faculties, which it everywhere supposes, and on which founded."

"We are told, that God being infinitely wiser than men, his discoveries will surpass human reason... to this objection, we have two short answers. We say, first, that it is impossible that a teacher of infinite wisdom should expose those, whom he woud teach, to infinite error. But if once we admit, that propositions, which in their literal sense appear plainly repugnant to one another, or to any known truth, are still to be literally understood and received, what possible limit can we set to the belief of contradictions? What shelter have we from the wildest fanaticism, which can always quote passages, that, in their literal and obvious sense, give support to its extravagances? ... We answer again, that, if God be infinitely wise, he cannot sport with the understandings of his creatures. A wise teacher discovers his wisdom in adapting himself to the capacities of his pupils, not in perplexing them with what is unintelligible, not in distressing them with apparent contradictions, not in filling them with a skeptical distrust of their own powers. An infinitely wise teacher who knows the precise extent of our minds, and the best method of enlightening them, will surpass all other instructors in bringing down truth to our apprehension, and in showing its loveliness and harmony. We ought, indeed, to expect occasional obscurity in such a book as the Bible, which was written for past and future ages, as well as for the present. But God's wisdom is a pledge, that whatever is necessary for US, and necessary for salvation, is revealed too plainly to be mistaken, and too consistently to be questioned, by a sound and upright mind. It is not the mark of wisdom, to use an unintelligible phraseology, to communicate what is above our capacities, to confuse and unsettle the intellect by appearances of contradiction. We honor our Heavenly Teacher too much to ascribe to him such a revelation. A revelation is a gift of light. It cannot thicken our darkness, and multiply our perplexities."

"[Our piety exists]... not because he is our creator merely, but because he created us for good and holy purposes; it is not because his will is irresistible, but because his will is the perfection of virtue, that we pay him allegiance. We cannot bow before a being, however great and powerful, who governs tyrannically. We respect nothing but excellence, whether on earth or in heaven. We venerate not the loftiness of God's throne, but the equity and goodness in which it is established."

"We earnestly maintain, that Jesus, instead of calling forth, in any way or degree, the mercy of the Father, was sent by that mercy, to be our Saviour;"

"Whilst we gratefully acknowledge, that he came to rescue us from punishment, we believe, that he was sent on a still nobler errand, namely, to deliver us from sin itself, and to form us to a sublime and heavenly virtue. We regard him as a Saviour, chiefly as he is the light, physician, and guide of the dark, diseased, and wandering mind. No influence in the universe seems to us so glorious, as that over the character; and no redemption so worthy of thankfulness as the restoration of the soul to purity. Without this, pardon, were it possible, would be of little value. Why pluck the sinner from hell, if a hell be left o burn in his own breast? Why raise him to heaven, if he remain a stranger to its sanctity and love?"

Quoted from Unitarian Christianity by William Ellery Channing (1819, Baltimore)

Yes, Unitarianism rejects both the trinity and the divine nature of Christ. No, Unitarianism does not reject the virgin birth or the miraculous nature of Christ's character (necessarily). Unitarianism holds that God is real enough that piety towards Him is meant to have a place in this real world. And that in addition to the gift of reason, there is the revelation of Christ (and prophets) contained in the Bible. Revelation adds, enlightens, the gifts we already possess. Its precepts are meant to be simple and clear so that any person could understand and benefit from them. Anything more is either 1) a matter of individual perogative in the pursuit of truth or 2) an imposition by the authority of men upon other men acting incorrectly in the name of God.

Christians hold that Trinitarianism IS what the apostles taught, obviously, because they believe in Trinitarianism. To reject trinitarianism is seen as a rejection of credible Christian faith. But, in reality, this is just the opinion of writers, speculators, philosophers, theologians, and church fathers long after the time of the apostles. It may be the correct interpretation of God's nature, but it isn't necessarily so when one considers the actual biblical source.

Unitarianism rejects trinitarianism, I think, for two main reasons: 1) trinitarianism is irrelevant to worship. Omnipotent God Is, regardless if we personally possess some philosophical perspective on His precise manifestation in the temporal universe. In other words, God's love isn't felt in threes, devotion to God and righteousness isn't trifurcated, passion for Christ's sacrifice only requires a understanding of Christ's devotion to the one Father. It does not seem that God would care whether we understand His precise dimensional characteristic.
2) Unitarianism rejects the idea that revelation would somehow transcend human understanding. Jesus' relationship to the Father is plain in the Bible. It's just a simpler understanding free of the baggage of theological authority.

On the other hand, Unitarianism has been completely overtaking by transcendentalism, secularism, progressivism, agnosticism, etc. Perhaps it could have used more theology?

I don't know. Reading Ayn Rand, I suspect the failures weren't those of faith, but of reason. Kant, later idealists, and so forth, destroyed rational philosophy quite thoroughly. Of course a religion that exalts reason would suffer. Which goes to show, that God maybe does require a steadfast commitment to faith and reason. Just like righteous living requires a steadfast commitment to prayer and effort. In other words, strong faith cannot save bad reason. Man is born into the world first, then born again spiritually. Reason alone will not save, but faith cannot replace the reason and its role in life on earth.

Anyway, you, Mr. OP, asked, and I have answered.