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Rand Paul says drone strike on exiting liquor store suspect O.K. - UPDATED

Update: Paul's response.

I didn't believe it either...
Here is the video. He speaks about it beginning at 2:25


http://youtu.be/Ctha0exQTd4

Personally, I think the nearly assured misuse of drones should prohibit them entirely until the debate is complete on their use in the US.

Should the 4th amendment issues be cleared up and the NDAA and Patriot acts and all other unconstitutional orders and regs be repealed, I would then consider the use of drones as a cost effective replacement for helicopters in non-lethal configurations only with warrant based and active scene being the authorized times surveillance equipment could be active during a flight.

Certainly not to fire on suspects any more than I would advocate shooting a robber from a helicopter.

Without a direct/eminent threat to a human from that suspect can we morally advocate lethal force used on a robber from an unmanned vehicle. What is he thinking? Call me old fashion, but in civilian life I still think people should kill people. Let's at least keep that personal.

I am stunned by Rand's statement. Unmanned killers in our skys O.K.??? Really?

The guy is simultaneously capable of great good and evil it seems. Scares me. What are our alternatives? I don't know but, I am looking.

Get away from the Neocons and war mongers Rand, their arrogant and self-righteous air is rotting your brain.

UPDATE: Ok,,, now that the may-lay has subsided on this a bit and even Rand Paul (Big thank you to Rand!) took time to address it himself when it travel up the news food chain of the web, I would like to share with you a great comment from the user Wishfulthinker Here is the hyperlink; www.dailypaul.com/283117/rand-paul-calls-for-drone-strike-on...

Wishful wrote down nearly exactly what I wanted to assume was missing from Rand's comments on the fox interview the "implied missing middle statement".

Wishful's comment and my reply will be found at the link if you are interested.

Strong reservations and hopeful thoughts remain for me concerning Rand. You may read some of these outlined in comments to others below here on this thread and on other posts on the DailyPaul.

Thanks all! Remain vigilant for Liberty.



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Like it or not, drones are

Like it or not, drones are here. But there's a good and bad way to utilize them. That's why Florida became the first state to put drone rules in place (thanks to Rand)

Funny how these people

Funny how these people believe in the 2nd amendment and the right to defend themselves but are absolutely against a cop defending the public. So strange.

Yeah, I'm not advocating assassination

I'm simply pointing out that dead is dead.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Jury Trial

Rand is trying to get a jury trial for the suspect. That would be wonderful. If not all, most of the facts will come out during the well watched trial which can wake many people up. Look at the bigger picture and not something out of context.

Rand Paul is the greatest

Rand Paul is the greatest Senator.

He's not talking about assassination.

He's talking about a firefight-type situation; hypothetically, a short-range low-altitude RC drone armed with a sub-machine gun could be a boon in a tactical situation, without infringing on anyone's rights or posing a risk to liberty. It would allow a much more maneuverable platform for a weapon, allowing better angles for shots, as well as avoiding the risk associated with a human moving out of cover.

Assassination - bad. Fire support - good. Heck, I wouldn't mind having access to a drone like that.

That's going to be a

That's going to be a battle!!!! As the technology ages and comes down in price private individuals will be wanting to build or acquire these. If we still have a second amendment that will be a hell of a battle.

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

Not necessarily.

The fairly inevitable appearance of such drones would add a new dimension to combat, for sure, but it's not a game-changer. The little buggers would be pretty fragile by necessity; a well-placed rifle shot could send one way off course, though it'd be hard. The solution is, of course, the good old scattergun. #4 buckshot + mini-drone = dead drone.

BTW, Rand's point is that in a firefight, it really doesn't matter who or what landed the killing blow. Likewise, assassination of non-military targets (assassinating an actively hostile general or other official during wartime is OK in my book), be it by poison, sniper, or drone, is immoral any way you look at it.

Omg you guys are dumb. First

Omg you guys are dumb.

First of all, someone who spent 13 hours filibustering the use of drones for assassinations. He is literally talking about his strong support for our judicial system. You think in the same sentence he is going to say he supports assassinations. That makes no sense. His example is that if someone is posing an eminent danger to innocent civilians that it doesn't matter who shoots the perp.

What's the problem here? Do you all think someone in the act of shooting a place up should not be subject to possibly being shot themselves? It's called defense.

Excuse me while I barf.

Should we just ignore his

Should we just ignore his words and hope for the best as he slips on undeclared wars, foreign aid, states rights on abortion, drones,...?
Or should we ask what he really stands for? You tell me.

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

The point is...it was out of

The point is...it was out of context.

deacon's picture

thank you for calling me dumb

and all the while you are reading into rands statements
as if you wrote them

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Yes dumb. I'm sorry but it

Yes dumb. I'm sorry but it doesn't take a genius to figure out what he was talking about. Why not listen to the whole interview again. Totally taken out of context.

I don't usually call names but this is absurd.

deacon's picture

you are right

it doesn't take a genius,but in this case it takes one to listen
and seeing i listened to it 3 times,no more is needed
also if you feel the need to namecall i have no more use for you
and you were and are putting words in his and our mouths
"if a robber walks out of a liquor store with a gun and a $50 bill
it makes no difference who or what takes him out,a drone or a cop"
he didn't state waving the gun around,he didn't say planning harm
or intent to harm,these are your words,NOT rands
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Well

His example wasn't good then, because a man robbing a liquor store might not be all that dangerous. And to use a drone to attack a random criminal for a small crime is absurd.

Totally out of context.

Totally out of context. Listen to the interview again. What is he talking about? Think about it.

I will

Listen to it again.

But

Hey I still like Rand. Just some times he comes out in a bad way and it worries me. He is not his father.

Taken out of context.

He was trying to make another point.

And he was not approving of such strikes, only making light of potential results apart from other likely casualties.

.

I really do hope he mispoke...

He needs to clarify this ASAP

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

HERP DERP

Come ON guys, you think after a THIRTEEN HOUR filibuster denouncing this stuff Rand maybe, just maybe misspoke a little? Or is it ZOMG HE HAS TOTALLY FLIP-FLOPPPED!!!!!!!111

If you're waving a weapon while committing a crime, yes, it doesn't matter who "takes you out." Drone, officer, armed citizen, tiger, whatever. That was the point he made. Watch the video. It was not a good example at all, but the point is there.

This is not an isolated slide from Rand.

I didn't expect him to endorse against the liberty movement and all our work before the RNC convention either.

I did not expect talk about State's rights on abortion and then put forth the Life at Conception act and say publicly.
This statement that is simply not true.
“The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known — that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection,”

Here is why; Most Americans in my experience, especially those that support liberty,say just the opposite about federal "legal protection".

He has done the same with Foreign aid and has weakened his anti undeclared war stance.

Now drones are "kinda" more OK then they were on filibuster day.

This is not one slip. This is about finding out if Rand is going to be a Statesman or a Politician. Trying to walk the line is a thin as a razor's edge and fraught with peril. You can not please those masters and freedom too Rand. You are going to have to choose very soon.

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

The DP has gone into full

The DP has gone into full retard mode as of late. This just tops the cake.

***edit***

I was not referring you personally. I was agreeing with you and stating that this last allegation takes the cake.

STAHP...

RAND.... GO HOME... YOU'RE DRUNK...

STAHP...

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

eff Rand

what else is there to say?

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Everybody take a pill

Come on guys... He's going to come out tomorrow, laugh, and say "Sorry, I misspoke". He was trying to make a point and it came out all mangled. It happens to all of us all the time... Everyone take a pill.

What he meant to say, was that if a criminal is say waiving a gun around on the street outside a liquor store and is threatening people with violence, then of COURSE you take him out. Doesn't have to be with a drone either... Take him out with a sharp shooter... Or a drone. Come on guys... The fact that I feel I even need to write this is disturbing enough. Now if tomorrow he comes out and doubles down and say, "Oh ya... I'm for killing jewel thieves without a trial", then I'll suck eggs... But it won't matter anyway, because no person with an IQ higher than their age would ever vote for him.

Take a Pill?

How about no. But I do get where you guys are coming from. We are really pushing Rand hard. Maybe we need to cut the guy some slack.

Thank you. Sometimes I feel

Thank you. Sometimes I feel like all sense around here has gone out the window. Rand has always been outspoken in his support for our judicial system.

Use common sense people. So at the same time while he was talking about support for our judicial system...he' is also going to state his support for assassinating someone without a trial. Really??? That doesn't even make any sense. You guys are retarded.

deacon's picture

how do you know

what he meant?
i heard what he said and how it was said
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Now do you believe us (The

Now do you believe us (The people that "didn't listen" to him.... Dude... Grow a brain! Don't take every single word so literally. Politicians are people too you know... They mis speak all the time. Have you ever given a bad analogy to someone and then thought right after... "shit... That was a bad example"? Happens to normal people all the time. You aren't the only one... News organization and pundits all jumped on the bandwagon. I couldn't believe it! Is the whole world retarded???? Have some faith man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDBi944yMSc