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Are you OK with your boss being able to ask for your Facebook password?

My initial thought is that if it's a private company, then I don't see why not. Not saying I would want to work somewhere where this is done, but as far as what they can and can't do. Thoughts?




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Not at all. Anyone could see

Not at all. Anyone could see this coming from a mile away. I do not, nor have I ever had a Facebook or MySpace account -- ever.

I may have a few politically motivated FB pages which I use solely for easy comments to websites -- but those accounts typically have 2000-3000 friends and have little content about myself.

So the question is.. why do you all have FB pages under your name?

Easy solution - don't have a facebook account.

I don't have one - thus this will never be an issue between me and my boss.

For those that just can't give up aiding and abetting tyrants, then I'll re-direct you to the comment below about sleeping with your wife or girlfriend.

They can ASK for the keys to your house, your car or access to

your bank account. Of course a reasonable person would never give them any of these things. And a decent employer should never ask.

People should remember though that we live in an employment "at will" country. where anyone (without union or contract) can be fired for any reason, EXCEPT reasons involving age, sex, religion, national origin or disability.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that you can be fired just because they don't like the color of your tie.

I don't have a face book but if I did I would put

a picture of myself Photoshopped into a disney pitture leaping into the air. Say I like Britney Spears and friend a bunch of non political people who like to play farmville or something.

And I'd screw with the info contained within so it really told nothing about me at all.

If my employer wanted my face book or else fire me....then I'd give it to them only after voicing loud protest at them for invasion of privacy. But what they would get would be pablum.

So what about people who have

So what about people who have added privacy controls to only allow people they want to see their information? Even thought it's a "public" forum (Facebook), there is still an amount of privacy that is expected. You can set the options so that the public and even "friends of friends" cannot see your information.

They can ask.

You can say pound sand.

They can say, no, you pound sand.

What more is there to this?

Do you think the government should create an agency or pass a law? To hell with that.

How bout just not be on ciabook? Or just lie to your employer if they ask?

But it is not anyone else's responsibility to protect you from the ramifications of stuff YOU CHOOSE put in public on ciabook.

I don't have FBICIAGOVbook

so they can bugger off.

Michael Nystrom's picture

What does being a private company have to do with it?

Does that mean that they own you?

How about this:

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Are you ok with your boss being able to sleep with your wife?

My initial thought is that if it's a private company, then I don't see why not.

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People have been so cowed and twisted by ideology.

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It is in fact a better question than it seems on it's face...

It's the reason I no longer see property rights as an end-all/be-all of freedom.

The property rights meme goes like this, "Follow the owner's rules, or go to your own property." Regardless of how absurd those rules. This seems fair, at first.

But let's look at some of the ramifications of that very simple statement. I work in a job, where they monitor my every communication, IM, Voice, eMail, etc. My boss and other ranking employees can read/listen to all of my communications. It's literally like having your manager hiding behind your cube wall at all times. Horribly offensive behavior and very obviously so if you subtract the electronic mechanisms for achieving it.

Property rights purists state, if you don't like it, leave. But the real question, is where do your rights as an individual end, and that of a property owner begin.

Because you do own yourself and the product of your own work. And this is a very important fact, frequently forgotten during the property rights discussions.

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Dude.. you need to encrypt

Dude.. you need to encrypt your traffic.

Pidgin (IM) allows for the OTC plugin which will encrypt your IM traffic.
Google is already encrypted.

Tunnel your sh!t back to your house so that no one can snoop in on your traffic...

https://howto.ccs.neu.edu/howto/windows/ssh-port-tunneling-w...

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I wish it were that simple... :)

I am well versed in tunneling, encryption, back doors, IP spoofing, etc.

The problem is that it is a "work" laptop, tightly controlled by the IT group for the company, all communication, im, voice, and even connected devices (even flash drives, CDs, etc) are monitored, tracked and the data uploaded 24/7 in almost real time.

Any attempt by me to circumvent it, would likely fail, and also be caught immediately and result in immediate termination.

The thing that annoys me most is that they are able to open up audio, video at will which is into my house. So I keep the camera covered, and the audio drivers disabled, except when needed. So far, that hasn't tripped any alarm bells with the IT group.

I have "tested" the management staff and so I am 100% confident that my communications are actually intercepted and read by them.

They are the counter argument to "private is better than government". I miss running my own company... :)

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Unless it's specified within

Unless it's specified within your company IT policy, I don't see how tunneling could be considering circumventing. You would be merely opening a private connection to your home PC for the purpose of secure collection of data.

"The thing that annoys me most is that they are able to open up audio, video at will which is into my house. So I keep the camera covered, and the audio drivers disabled, except when needed. So far, that hasn't tripped any alarm bells with the IT group."

I'm pretty sure you could sue for this if they were doing it. I know a school not too long ago issued laptops to students and then subsequently spied on them at their house. Needless to say, they lost that lawsuit.

And so at my job, I am an expert in all things keylogger. I've got more keyloggers here on my system that I can even count and I routinely research all sorts of keylogging applications. Do you know what software they are using to monitor your PC? I'll blacklist it through our international product if it meets our detection criteria.

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Corporate policies do strictly forbid it...

And we are required to use MS Communicator for all communication, which they have set to require us to be connected to the VPN via Active Directory, so tunneling, if it didn't get me fired, wouldn't help with core communications.

That is interesting about the lawsuit on opening up audio/video. They did it to me once, I think almost by accident, I raised holy hell, and it hasn't happened since that I am aware of.

In terms, of what they are using, I have no clue. I know some of the monitoring is done through Citrix tech, and others by M$ tech, but they do a very good job of keeping the tools that they use hidden.

I understand their concerns about security to some degree. It's the spying that I have an issue with. I currently am working on banking/mortgage software, where security is at maximum for client protection.

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What if your boss asked you

What if your boss asked you for the keys to your house?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

What if your boss asked for your person email account?

Hell, no.

This is why

so many have fake Facebook accounts. Hells no, I wouldn't give it, and I wouldn't work for anyone who would demand it. I'd rather starve.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

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this company would be laughed out of the marketplace

once it became known, then applicants would tidy up their account, rendering their spying ineffective anyway.

no company would do this.

I Disagree

In fact I think there already *are* companies who have asked for that. I think that's why it became an issue that was even talked about in CISPA to begin with. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to to see some regulatory agency (e.g. the SEC) make it "required".

As for the OP's question I think people misinterpreted it. I don't think he was saying that he would volunteer to give out his FB password. I think he was saying "what do you think of a private company being able to ask for it". When he said he was "okay with it", he meant that he's okay with a private company being able to ask.

If it's a big enough company

and it's the immediate boss asking, it's probably a bit of a weird, possibly abusive dynamic between the boss and employee. Something like that would be handled by HR if the company were going to do that.

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Dont mind because I dont have

Dont mind because I dont have one.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

So long as he doesn't mind

So long as he doesn't mind giving me his.

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I don't mind...

but I work for myself.

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LOL :)

LOL :)

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Sure, no problem. If and only if there's some reciprocality then

Sure, no problem.

Too bad I'm no longer too much into this "social engineering" thing, except via the Daily Paul, Twitter, and Linkedin maybe.

Now, assuming I'd still be on one of these Spybooks... I'd have no problem sharing that kind information at only ONE condition - reciprocality, shall we?

Regarding whomever would ask me:

sure, but then in turn, please, they provide me, with their age, the userid/password(s) of their adult content subscription(s), along with detailed history logs of all the content they've been viewing.

Fair enough? I believe that would be very fair, would it not?

You know, just out of curiosity about them people's tastes age-wise. Since they'd come first to me with their request.

It just so happens I have young kids.

Thanks!

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Ask me and they will...

Ask me and they will be disappointed with my answer.
Sure as soon as you give me your password and while you are at it give me your social security number since you are asking for mine. What you don't want to do that because it would invade your privacy?

RickStone

sure thing boss, would you

sure thing boss, would you like some fries with that

Official policy at General Dynamics when I worked there...

1) No problem with social networking PROVIDED you use your own name.
2) If my employer asked for my social network password, I would notify him it is none of his business what I do on my own time, provided it is not illegal or unethical. I would then notify Human Resources or Ethics. Invasion of privacy, particularly outside of working hours, is unethical conduct, if not downright illegal.

They're free to ask

but it's an unprofessional inquiry and I am free to principally refuse