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My Disconnect with Rand Paul

One does suppose that in the end, most things in life are one's personal interpretation; however, there seems to be a widening disconnect between my understanding of what is and what is not constitutional when juxtaposed against the Senator from Kentucky, Rand Paul's "Liberty-Lite" view.

The most recent case in point, Senator Paul's statement following his interview regarding the use of domestic drones:

Sen. Paul (R-KY) said:
"Fighting terrorism and capturing terrorists must be done while preserving our constitutional protections. This was demonstrated last week in Boston. As we all seek to prevent future tragedies, we must continue to bear this in mind."

source:U.S. Senator Rand Paul's Website

Really, Senator Paul, "constitutional protections" were appropriately preserved during the search for the Boston Marathon Bomber?

  • No vehicle Traffic allowed in or out
  • Persons sequestered in homes
  • Door to Door warrantless searches
  • Columns of Heavily Armed soldier-like police
  • tank-like vehicles rolling down the streets of America

To me all the above add up to what is in effect, Martial Law. Sure officials can call it a "Public Safety Lock Down,” but as they say a rose by any other name...

It remains my hope that perhaps with age, Senator Paul will see the obvious hypocrisy in his political philosophy and move towards the clear unyielding dedication as displayed by Dr. Ron Paul, although it does grow more and more difficult as we witness his "go-along-to-get-along" attitude.




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Michael Nystrom's picture

You present a false dichotomy

That false dichotomy: Support Rand or who?!

That false dichotomy is an echo of the second stage that you'll graduate to if you make it past the above stage. That false dichotomy is summed up as: Which side are you on? Red or Blue?

There is a third option. It is called "neither" and it is just as valid of a choice.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Fact is we have to get behind

Fact is we have to get behind someone now...more like yesterday...because Hillary already has her base and while we are squabbling amongst each other, they are already ready to put Hillary in her throne.

Well, yes I suppose we can pack up all our toys and go home

Not sure I see much value in that either.

Well, we shall see how things look in 24 months when primary season is staring us in the face.

If the tea party, evangelicals and libertarians remain divided and flailing around in the dark, the establishment is going to have a field day.

And we will be left with our usual choice of McCain/Obama, Bush/Gore, etc.

I could

"Throw my support behind", as you call it, ANYONE and it wouldn't matter because the "elections" are rigged, fixed state worship rituals for dummies. Been there, done that.

Michael Nystrom's picture

All of this excuse-making, cheering for Rand, etc.

It is just like the chanting of USA! USA! on the streets of Boston when they finally caught Dzhokhar.

A complete misdirection of emotional joy, a complete misunderstanding the reality of the situation.

Thank you for helping me to realize that with your article.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Well you can vote

for Illuminati Dynasty hopefuls of Hilary vs Jeb.....gag...Jesus come

Jefferson's picture

How

do you know your "vote" will even count?

Can you prove who you voted for last s/election?

I hate to be a pessimist, but I'm getting to the point of thinking we're past political solutions until the integrity of our vote is restored.

I agree. In Florida, you can have a reciept for your lotto #

Why can't we have them for our votes? (BTW, this was my husband's brilliant idea, two elections ago.)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Rand Paul IS FILP-FLOPPING, Just Like the Others! NOT EXEMPT!

Rand Paul is only DIFFERENT by Name, he is STILL FILP-FLOPPING, and Acting very much like a Neo-Con! So Why can't we as a Group MOVE AWAY from him & his ILK & find someone, from OUTSIDE the POLITICAL CROWD? The only Obstacle, I can see is in the EYE of the PEOPLE who believe in FAKE NUMBERS regarding People like Judge Napolitano, and THINKING that says RON PAUL is already GONE! RON is HERE! At the very least, RON can Advise & Promote People who are More Steadfast & True than our Present Array of Senators, Representatives & Former POOR Candidates!! What we have in Congress now is a VERY COMPROMISED GROUP OF PEOPLE, for the most part. That means they are more of the PROBLEM than the SOLUTION. Also the Old Guard has been able to Compromise some of them already!

My Proposal is to begin ANEW! We have the TIME. In fact, this is a VERY CRITICAL PERIOD OF TIME, so we need to Choose VERY WISELY & THINK Through the Details, realizing that this Time OUR CANDIDATE MUST MAKE IT TO THE TOP! We DO NOT need a RAND PAUL pulling the RUG Out from under RON PAUL'S Candidate, like he did to his DAD!

If you can't speak English 73Anne37

At least learn to use the translator properly.

"We DO NOT need a RAND PAUL pulling the RUG Out from under RON PAUL'S Candidate, like he did to his DAD!"

That doesn't make a fig of sense.

So, what country are you from?

Who else?

I certainly question and dislike Rand's positions on many issues as well. He voted for continuance of the Patriot Act and many other unconstitutional positions.

Who else should we support for President in 2016. Marco Rubio or Chris Christie? Perish the thought. Judge Andrew Napolitano has hardly any media attention and would never get the nomination. Gary Johnson abandoned the Republican Party in 2012 and Republican establishment will never forget that.

Rand's positions on many issues make it seem he is flip flopping and on the wrong side of the fence. But I believe he is the best choice we have in 2016. None of the other liberty Congressmen or Senators are even talking about running for President.

Why stick with the republican party?

I and many others only came to the republican party because of RON PAUL. Ron himself helped to organize a coalition platform for third party candidates after 08. Why not start there and abandon this disgraceful excuse for a party?

Think of all the delegates and the organization...all that effort could be put into a third party organization that is not controlled by evil warmongers and bankster shills.

Last election the 3rd party

Last election the 3rd party got hardly 2%! Oh boy...we're so close to winning.

Until the political climat changes...it is no use

Even Ron Paul would tell you that.
A third party never gets in the debate's.
Ballot access is nothing short of monumental.
And the stablishment has seen to all of that.
STAND WITH RAND in 2016.
Or best and only chance.

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

Quit Nick Picking Rand

What on earth is wrong with you people who are chewing away at Rand? Don't you understand that the attack on Rand is 24/7? They are just waiting to jump on anything Rand says to twist it to affect people's opinions on him. You are quite naive if you don't believe this.

I listened to the interview that brought this all up, and I know that Rand is having to play a very fine line with everything!! He has to play the "political game" to some degree and you really need to understand that! I am quite solid on where Rand stands with everything, and I also know what he is having to do at times. I have often said Rand is our Trojan Horse to the White House. You are an idiot if you do not understand that.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

I know, lets right off Rand because he said something that "upset" you, and lets pave the way for Hillary would-I-lie-to-you-Clinton, (don't forget, she's a two for one package with Bill-would-I-lie-to-you-Clinton, thrown in for free)
Or how about Marco Rubio. He sure doesn't look like anyone's puppet. (if you squint really, REALLY hard, cross your eyes, and then close them those puppet strings disappear).
Or how about Jeb Bush, he from the impeccable criminal back ground of the Bush Crime Family. If you ignore history, you can pretend that Granddad Prescot didn't deal with the Nazis, G H didn't turn the CIA into his own private money making mercenaries,and GW was TOTALLY honest about all the events of 9/11.
Now, what was it about Rand?...oh that's right...he upset you.

There is more truth to this statement than one knows

The rumor mill of the "inner circle" is that they "want" to run Jeb. And we know how they play the game there.
But then, what would anyone want to bet that a Hillary/Michelle ticket isn't in the works. The liberal best of both worlds. Obama's stay...and...wait for it...Clinton's are BACK.
Talk about a liberal love fest.
And a conservative nightmare.
And a libertarian heart breaker.
Talk about a disaster in the making.
STAND WITH RAND in 2016!

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

metalhed19's picture

Guys and Girls, if we are

Guys and Girls, if we are going to be waiting for the next Ron Paul, we will be waiting until the Republic is completley decimated. If we get somebody that is 80-85-90% of a RP, in this case Rand or a Justin Amash, i think we should accept that and work with it. Most of the Senate and House is like 0-10% "Liberty" Just my .02 cents...Gold standard of course

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

If we keep searching for

If we keep searching for "leaders" we will never be free...

I'm with you there.

I believe ultimately the day will come when we discover that we are the ones we've been waiting for.

I believe our inherent tendency to seek mentors is simply carried over from our childhood dependency for direction, or rather that's why it comes so naturally for us. Unfortunately many of those who like to serve that need do so for the control and power it provides, a breeding ground for perversion.

What I love about the internet is that it's changing all that, slowly but surely. It does so by placing everyone on a level playing field where we are all both mentors and students at the same time.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Nut'n kicks up more dust on the DP than a pro/anti Rand post

That or debate over 9-11 being an inside job.

I vote we start a Rand/9-11 post so we can get a good 4-way tug of war going. Perhaps the ultimate would be a Rand/9-11/Alex Jones post.

Happy Wednesday everyone!

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

You

Took it out of context. He was not praising it, he was pointing out the flaws.
Its cool, just use it to make him look bad. I get it.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

So many are so quick to judge...

All Rand is saying is --based upon what happened in Boston (the atrocious violations of civil liberties, the Martial Law, etc... which we all know he despises)-- that "our constitutional protections" must be preserved while fighting terrorism. He's emphasizing the NEED, the PRINCIPLE... not some notion that Boston was a good example. Rather the contrary.

Had he said "Fighting terrorism and capturing terrorists WAS done while preserving our constitutional protections.. [as] demonstrated in Boston..." Then, clearly, he would have contradiction himself.

Hopefully, others will see this point and not fall into the pit of the Rand haters. Yes, so far, Rand is our best (and credible) chance of getting any meaningful media attention to even be on the radar of voters during the next election cycle.

"Really, Senator Paul,

"Really, Senator Paul, "constitutional protections" were appropriately preserved during the search for the Boston Marathon Bomber?

•No vehicle Traffic allowed in or out
•Persons sequestered in homes
•Door to Door warrantless searches
•Columns of Heavily Armed soldier-like police
•tank-like vehicles rolling down the streets of America"

Look, I don't like Rand Paul, but they literally did those things for a day...and they ended up pulling out before they even found the suspect because they wanted people to get back to their lives.

I should also note that the "door to door" warrantless searches were done with consent,/b>; at least that is my understanding.

After September 11th, the US grounded all air traffic. Do you consider that a huge infringement on liberty, the government telling private airline companies that they couldn't do their business?

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Absolutely

Absolutely, Liberty since 9/11 has been cast aside at an ever quickening rate.

The whole mindset of "America is a Battlefield" is a horribly twisted view.

The only ones turning America into a battlefield, are those in the federal government. Thus giving the District of Criminals any leeway whatsoever in using drones domestically must not be allowed to happen.

As for whether the searches were conducted with consent, videos on YouTube, multiple flickr groupings of people being taken from their homes, refute unanimous consent.

Tell me was there this type of reaction to the assassination of President Kennedy, Oklahoma City?

All Persons deserve a trial, evidence, and an attorney in a Public Trial, not ever ever ever via a Drive-By Drone Bombing.

You aren't answering my

You aren't answering my question. I am specifically asking about the federal government suspending air traffic in the hours and days following 9/11. Not the Patriot Act and stuff that followed afterwards. Do you think the government overstepped its bounds by restricting air traffic?

With President Kennedy and Oklahoma, didn't they catch the guy responsible (or supposedly responsible)? With the Boston boming there was a lag between the incident and the arrest...moreover, there was a notion that they might strike again which wasn't at all a crazy theory.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

No I am not a Fan of Government Control of Airplanes

Where does the Constitution enumerate the President has the authority to arbitrarily suspend commercial travel, air or otherwise; thus yes the Executive dictating that all air traffic be grounded was absolutely an overstep from a constitutional perspective.

Would it have been appropriate for Congress to vote on a national declaration of emergency or state of war, yep.

The last thing government needs is any additional capacity to kill.

I intend to STAND WITH RAND in 2016

Of course he is not Ron.
And of course he must play "their" game. Look what they did to Ron.
But name me one potential candidate that is not already kissing astablishment arss and buying into the good old boy network.
Just one.
I will take my money and support Rand just as I did Ron.
There is nobody else.
Don't let the establishment GOP trolling lead you into their trap.

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

Rand Paul

We ALL need to take a Good Look at Rand! It Seems Quite Clear that he is Not Following his Father's LEAD! He IS NOT RON! He is Unfortunately for ALL of US going the Way of the MANY in the Senate. Whether he is a Real Neocon Yet, I don't know, but it sure Appears to be so, by all accounts! I no Longer TRUST HIM or even Care to DONATE Any Money to Anything HE PUTS HIS NAME TO these Days! RON PAUL is His Own Man, and seems to continue being that Person Today! He can't be faulted because his Son has gone Astray!

I have an IDEA!!!

I've made a list of Libertarian leaning members of the house and senate we could support instead of Rand for 2016:

Congress: _ _ _ _ _ Senate: _ _ _ _ _

There! Problem solved! Or ya know, we could see who Ron Paul will be supporting in 2016. He seems like a smart guy.