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FBI/FDA Raid on Natural Cancer Center Brings Medical Tyranny to Oklahoma

We've all heard the stories of overreaching government, police abuse and federal raids on peaceful, voluntary transactions. Up until yesterday I had not personally experienced it.

Sam and Yvonne have been dear friends of our family for several years now. Four years ago Yvonne was diagnosed with stage 3 melanoma and given 6 months to live. Her doctor recommended a treatment of chemotherapy and didn't offer a good prognosis, neither in how she would feel during the course of the treatment, nor in the ultimate effectiveness of the treatment to cure the disease. Through prayer and careful consideration, Yvonne opted to decline this path of treatment and decided to pursue natural alternatives that would at least help her live out what seemed to be the last days of her life without the ill effects of chemotherapy. Homeschooling three children was already a tiring job, but complicating that with the side effects of toxic cancer treatment was not something Yvonne was willing to do. To the best of her ability she has educated herself on diet, essential oils, and other natural ways to help her body heal. The results have shocked her oncologist, and she has vibrantly outlasted her predicted 6 month death sentence. Although her progress has been steady, recently she has had some setbacks that are once again threatening her life.

Tumors began to once again develop that were noticeable under her arm. She began feeling weak and experienced several other problems. She began looking towards natural solutions such as the Gerson Therapy and other treatments with injected vitamins. After what she would describe as some divine coincidences, she chose to explore a natural cancer treatment center just a few hours away in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Camelot Cancer Care. Camelot offered an injection of a solution of DMSO, Laetrile, and Vitamin C. They advertised this clearly on their website and also explained it clearly in their treatment plan that they discussed with Yvonne. After much research and prayer Yvonne and Sam decided that this was the course of treatment they would like to take.

Having no health insurance and with Sam recently recovering from an on the job injury which required a knee replacement, money was tight. Through the charity of friends and family they were able to raise enough money to at least pay for the first round of treatment at Camelot. Camelot required a PET scan prior to treatment. The Doctor that read the PET scan remarked that Yvonne's cancer, although aggressive, seemed to be contained near the skin, and hadn't spread to the rest of her body. He said that if she would have had surgery on this kind of cancer, which was previously recommend to her by another doctor, that it would have "spread like wildfire" throughout her body. He also was shocked that her liver was almost as healthy as that of a person without cancer. He informed her that people with this stage of cancer generally have a hard time healing because of the damage that had already been done to their liver, both from the disease and from the toxic treatments. He was familiar with the protocol at Camelot and felt that this was a very good course of treatment for Yvonne to take. They were filled with hope!

The Camelot procedure is at a minimum a 20 day procedure that includes the injection of their formula every day via an IV solution. The entire process is overseen by a medical Doctor as well as a naturopath. Yvonne's PET scan Doctor, and the Doctor at Camelot felt that she would need more than one course of treatment in order to effectively batter her cancer. The first 8 days of the treatment are done at Camelot's facility in Tulsa, where the patient is monitored, blood tested, and trained on the procedure. For the remaining portion of the procedure the patient is able, if desired, to go home with their medicine and continue the protocol in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

Tuesday April 23rd 2013 was day 8 of Yvonne's treatment. She and Sam were eager to get back home to their children, continue her treatments there, and try to re-establish at least some modicum of normalcy. That morning, in the midst of her treatment at the center, agents from the FBI and FDA raided the facility. They forced all patients to stop their treatments. They told Sam that B17 was not approved for the treatment of cancer and this was the reason for the raid. My friend Sam reached down to grab the box of medicine that would be used to continue the treatments at home, only to have an agent slam his fist down on it and tell him he couldn't take it. Sam argued that it was HIS personal property that he had paid for! The agent did not relent, Sam said, "well you are going to have to read me rights then", and the agent threatened to arrest him for "obstructing justice". One agent turned to Yvonne and said "We are doing this to protect you", Yvonne replied "How are you protecting me? You are taking my medicine, I will not be able to continue my treatment." He actually responded "I am just doing my job ma'am".

The FBI and FDA agents held Sam and Yvonne for over 2 hours under constant armed guard. They tolerated this at first because they had been told there would be a chance they would be able to leave with their medicine, but after calls to "federal prosecutors" their hopes for this were dashed. The stress of this incident left Yvonne shaking for hours. Sam and Yvonne finally left without their medicine. They were not even allowed to take the cleaning solution or flushing solution that is needed to keep her PICC line from getting infected. With a serious blow to their hope by the "benevolence" of the state, they now had the added stress of recovering the money they had spent on this treatment. They are racing against the clock as Yvonne's condition worsens and the prospect of quickly retrieving the money seemed to be slim, this beside the fact that Camelot Cancer Care's protocol is the treatment that Yvonne WANTS to pay for!

The future of Yvonne's treatment is uncertain as I write this. The owners of Camelot Cancer Care have reached out to them and are working to find a solution. The FBI has said the clinic can reopen the next day if they quit using Laetrile (B17), but Sam and Yvonne specifically chose that clinic because it openly stated that they used this natural substance. The situation our government has created is one that will ultimately pit the patient against their provider of choice, while also denying the care to a person who has chosen to treat their cancer in this way.

When Sam and Yvonne found Camelot Cancer Care, we were all filled with hope. The outpouring of support from friends and family bolstered that hope all the more. So you can imagine, when armed agents of our oppressive state stormed in, how far the fall seemed to feel as our hopes were attacked. Please share and pray and do whatever you are led to help get the word out, and to lift up my friend, and all of us, from the oppression of this government.

A news story of this incident can be found here:
http://www.newson6.com/story/22057839/tulsa-cancer-clinic-te...



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I concede

it is not a contract; anymore. It is now evidence of criminal fraud.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

And you are evidence

of a fool with a keyboard

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Attack me all you want

You have clearly shown that you cannot debate me on the facts but you will resort to baseless attacks.

We will prevail in our struggle to return to the rule of law regardless of your baseless attacks and the victory will be sweet:D

In the words of Jimi Hendrix; one of them old aint never beens...

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

You've never been

to law school, or practiced law, or been competent at understanding it. I, am not a "never been" but a "still am and have been for a long time." You'll never be one of mine. Your idea of a system is no system at all, and you don't even really believe the crap that you preach, because a. it makes no sense, b. it doesn't exist, and c. you lack the moral fiber to actually learn something as intricate and significant as the law or even legal theory. So, you play "internet sovereign faux lawyer" to impress the kiddies at Daily Paul. Great, go blow me a crisis actor while you're at it, superflub.

Nothing I've posted would be disagreed with by anyone with a legal education and in fact some of it is known by anyone who attended and passed a high school civics class. If you want to make claims contrary to common and accepted understandings of how things function, how about you put up proof? You can't and you won't. You're a fraud.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I've already calculated

the economic breaking point of the "courts" This is a law of nature and cannot be violated. Once the awakening goes into full swing you will see how wrong you are. I already know exactly how many people is required for the courts to clog, have a heart attack and die. This day will near and the courts will see the writing on the wall and then submit to superior interpretation of real law because they will simply lose everything from their own criminal activity.

My only intent is for them to return to a lawful state of affairs where all criminal and civil actions are based on accusations of one or more of the people. Our laws already says Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. I demand that this law be followed and that their tyranny cease. The power is in our hands and they are supposed to be acting on behalf of the People and they are supposed to be following all maxims of law.

Relevant maxims being violated
No one can sue in the name of another
An action is not given to one who is not injured

This should pretty much sum it up here with these maxims. If these maxims are followed then the courts are not operating lawfully. You still can't show me where legislative codes and statutes claim applicability to the People. The code/statutes and the Constitution NEVER makes any claim of applicability to the people.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Care to present your

Care to present your 'calculations' :D

I love mathematics and would be very interested in seeing exactly how you 'calculate' something like that.

No not at this time

The calculations will go into a book and software tools that will take the r3volution into a mathematically guaranteed winning strategy. The R3volution is still crawling in the slime at this point compared to what is possible. Suffice to say it is very simple because it all boils down to $/minute and minutes per working day. I gathered the data necessary empirically in local courts. I have a an algorithm of data items that can be collected and then processed to show exactly where the tipping point is. My signature hints at this end. You would be very surprised at how few people are required to actually mathematically break their crime. It is amazing how small that number is when looked at in the proper context. The Law is logically congruent from divine law al the way to codes and statutes. All we need to do is understand how one layer carries over into the next. Once we realize this then we can have TPTB and psycho minions peel back the layers of law to unbreakable natural law and then they are toast.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

a "mathematically guaranteed winning strategy"

oh come on now, you're kidding, aren't you?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

How Transparent

His 'mathematical' plan is to overload the courts with sovereign type cases. Try and clog the system so it fails for the ordinary citizen leading to civil unrest. That is why he keeps mentioning revolution.

That is the WORST terrorist plan I've ever heard =D

Why don't you give away free sweets in court so that in 5 years they develop cavities and toothaches and are unable to report to work. Its 'mathematically guaranteed ' depending on volume of sweets and average rate of enamel decay =D

Ah no young sir you are too simple

First of all calling people "terrorists" who's sole intent is to return to a lawful state of affairs is like the spoiled brat on the preschool playground who doesn't want to play by the rules because he is not winning. Yes those of awake know that is the reason for making all people sick of the tyranny and the destruction of the rule of law into "terrorists" is the spoiled brats and intellectual inept tyrants way out of being brought to justice for their criminal activity. Your analogy to candy further demonstrates the level of maturity we are dealing with here.

The only plan is to return to a lawful state of affairs within Government operation, period! Thousands of felonies a day being committed by those claiming to be "Government" and claiming immunity from liability is not lawful. It does not matter how many codes are put into place. It is simply a violation of common law. If the Juries wake up and realize this what are those tyrants going to do? Are they going to ignore the ruling of the Jury? Clearly they are already obstructing justice by blocking access to our Juries for proper lawful remedy. This is just the beginning of their tyranny and clearly they have made the boogie man of a "terrorist" a solid figment in the populace's dialogue for their planned reasoning of the next stage of their tyranny. They have mens rea intention to perform their tyranny explicit for the motive of maintain their unlawful power and control over the people. They murder, extort, steal, conspire, terrorize, torture, levy war and more against us. These are crimes they are committing against the people and the People have every right to use the justice system we pay for to bring remedy. If you think exercising justice for proper remedy and ensuring the rule of law is upheld is terrorism then you are quite frankly a dangerous lunatic IMHO. Yes all of this is why they have their re-education interment camps. If anyone doesn't obey then just torture them into compliance. Do you think that aware people can't see the writing on the wall? What are you to do call me a "conspiracy theorist" next? I have seen nightmare technologies that you can't even dream of that they are building for their control grid. First they came for.... then no one was left...

Also you are too simple. The algorithms go through various layers of Natural Law in order to ensure victory over tyranny. All of the algorithms are only for exercise one's inherent right to remedy. The nature of the algorithms is that the only way they can be successful is if the "STATE" continues to commit the level of tyranny against the population they are committing now continues or expands. It is not the people's actions for remedy that is the driver of success of the algorithms it is the the amount of tyranny committed by the "STATE". Logically this means that either success or "failure" of the algorithm means less tyranny for either outcome which is a success. Its not like this is going to end tyranny forever and we will then live in some utopia, its that the logic suggests that the check can asymptote at its minimum. This is not just government tyranny but crime in general. There are ways to make tools that do not exist today (but all necessary components do) that can enable crime prevention and justice orders of magnitude more precise than what is available now. And it is possible to do with the context of not breaking any law to enforce the law which means no initiation of violence (their worst nightmare; no violence). As far the mathematically strict constructs of tapping the laws of nature for guaranteeing success Economics is one, Temporal is another, But actually goes through many more layers of law including neurological bio-opto-sono-odoro-electro-mecha-chemical processing of human physiology, quantum mechanical wave function collapsing, and even generally relative gravitational temporal compression/dilation. This is REAL LAW. Some of the higher level concepts can be summarized in concepts like the 100th monkey theory but the details are much deeper than that. However, the beautiful thing about using real law to seek remedy is that the entire concept is based on simplicity of Law due to the inherent protections that come from having simple common law that everyone can comprehend and understand so that the maximum number of people can participate in protected the rule of law. This is maximized through simplicity of foundations within common law not through millions of pages of legalese code. If anyone injures you then you have the right to seek and obtain remedy for the injury. If you can't understand that his concept is inherent organic common law then all I can say is that the Law books and television has destroyed your cognitive reasoning ability. Every place you read in law in law and justice this concept is there at its foundations but you chuckleheads want to justify criminal tyranny for some reason.

And as for your statement "clog the system so it fails for the ordinary citizen leading to civil unrest" This is happening right now from their criminal tyranny against the population at large. They are not their to respond to accusers but they have their "courts" conveniently filled to capacity everyday to extort FRNs out of the People all based on a foundation of criminal fraud. They have already broken the system and are causing civil unrest. Isn't this fact clear? Isn't this why we are at the DP and support Ron Paul's message of the rule of law? Is that why you are here? That's why I am. I don't want civil unrest, concentration camps, children being taken from their parents and drugged, torture, political assisinatation, mathematically guaranteed to fail FRNs forced as an unlawful tender, and on and on ond on....

You guys can think I am some crazy "sovereign citizen" who just sits behind a keyboard but this is not the case. I am unlike anyone you have ever met. I mentioned some of my background before but There is much more I have not mentioned, my skill set includes, mechanical electrical, optical design, embedded application and enterprise level programming, laser design, machine vision, precision motion controls, fluidics management, , complete systems development for various biotech applications, microfabrication, and thermal management, music proficiency guitar, bass, harmonica, hand percussion and others I have even found novel chemical recipies for various high temp plastics photoinitiation although I know very little of chemistry I do have detailed research into various multiphoton photoinitiators specifically for non-degenerate two-photon photopolymerization processing. If you look at the image I have in my DP profile that is screenshot of a graphing program I wrote that describes the atom in terms of a gravitational time dilation based quantum photonic cavity of the electron orbital shells; the image is what I call the fractofield or the fractosphere and is only a time slice instant cross section of 4d viewed as 3d on a 2d plane as "straight" line of 1d made up of a series of 0d points;) Nature showed me the fractofields around matter while tripping on Hawaiian woodrose seeds and then I was able to derive the EXACT geometrical formula for the dilation of 4d field. Got that DUDE!

But I am sure this is where you blow up and say that's it "I knew you were tripping?" If you haven't experienced the power of psychadelics then I truly feel sorry for you. You are missing the most beautiful of God's gifts to human experience and awareness. Yeah I think we are done here.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

ahh, delusions of grandeur, anti-social behavior, etc.

I think I smell a sociopath, or at least a narcisist!

Look, if you have all the right answers, and the people who actually work in law for a living - judges, attorneys, clerks, etc. are all wrong when you deal with them, maybe you're not playing with a full deck. I know there are enough disaffected basement dwellers here to give you a thumbs up or two, but that is just reality.

"The algorithms go through various layers of Natural Law in order to ensure victory over tyranny." That is not reality. Those are the words of a con. The only question is have you conned yourself too?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

more personal attacks

Your track record of personal attacks is extensive. You call me a con for only expressing what I have learned. I reserve the right to modify my understanding of law when self-evidence is beyond all reasonable doubt. This is how I got to where I am at now. I stopped assuming and started questioning and seeking answers from law and history. This was initiated from logical contradictions demonstrated by "government" claiming to be "enforcing the law" while claiming to be under capacity of the US Constitution and claiming the DOI as applicable law.

When the algorithms get implemented in the tools on a wide scale then you will see what I am talking about. We are still early and these tools are only in their most basic unorganized function at this point. When the full effect of these logical algorithms are fully realized their implementation and effect will be as fast as lightning. It will be the Facebook of Justice and Criminal investigation and its asymmetrical intelligence gathering and consolidation tools will outperform the antiquated systems and architectures in use by the tyrants now. Its illumination will be the tyrants' worst nightmare. A true crystal ball of asymmetrically collected awareness from the masses explicitly designed for identifying criminal tyrants and bringing them to justice. You will see it if your not too old.

First they ignore then they laugh then they attack then you win. We are between 2 and 3 right now.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

one thing that being a litigator has taught me

is how to spot a bullshit artist.

And: "Nature showed me the fractofields around matter while tripping on Hawaiian woodrose seeds and then I was able to derive the EXACT geometrical formula for the dilation of 4d field. Got that DUDE!" is prime bullshit artwork, making you, ergo, the bullshit artist.

Listen, if you find some people that buy into your fantasy, hey, that's great. I know you are not some superhuman that knows all and can construct "calculations" and "algorithms" out of the justice system or the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. But keep on smoking those "woodrose seeds" or eating or injecting or whatever the heck you do with woodrose seeds to get you "tripping." Whatever it is clearly works wonders as you sound higher than just about anyone, Mr. Spaceman.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Problem is Dave

that I have the programs with source code. I have the logic laid out and it is being expanded in its capability and derivations. I have even derived several inventions from this concept already. But I do not seek money for this either. If I am such a BS artist then why do I not seek any money for any of this? Hmmmm?

There are real Shaman's in this world, Dave. You know how the Shaman's get to where they are? By humbling themselves before the divine order of nature and listening for the inspiration of the right questions and then diligently pursuing the answers to those questions to the final conclusions of self evidence. Your reaction was exactly what was predicted Dave. I perturb in very specific ways and you give very predicted responses. Logic based on deciphering patterns of contrast ratio between light and dark that filter through the experiential logic and then generate the necessary polypeptides that enables motor function of your muscles into very discreet possible outcomes isolated to certain predictable "vibe" or emotional emission.

One last thing here Dave as I wish you well on your life journey. I noticed how you talked so deeply about law school and its results in operation of procedures of "law". One thing noticeably absent from your accolades of your experience with law is "truth". No where did you mention anything about "truth" when the very essence of law and justice is the pursuit of truth. You will only get to the destination you navigate to. If your destination is not truth then then you will never arrive at truth. The same goes with R3volution; if we don't know where the destination we choose is then it will be decided by those who do choose for us.

This concludes my temporal tolerance for such a discussion of low intellectual merit. I thought you might be able to realize that there exists more than one possible perspective that are all within the confines of real law that can provide a much more successful strategy to uphold the rule of law but this beyond your intellectual capacity. It reminds of Ron Paul's comments about how the TPTB are intellectually bankrupt. Dave you are playing a game of following the other man so he will like me and give me what I want instead seeking justice against anyone who is going to harm another. Still thinking of that Jimi quote "one of them old aint never beens".

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

the law and the truth

oh I do love the truth. Each case involves its own search for truth. But here is a dose for you - in civil law at least, rarely is all of the "truth" on one side and none of it on the other. I've seen some pretty one-sided scenarios but even with those, the losing side will have some things to say that merit consideration. Even if it isn't the best version of the truth or the prevailing one. And the system works far better than you might give it credit for, and is defective in ways that you have no clue about (so much for your mathematical precision supercomputer mumbo-sovereign citizen-jumbo algorithm blathering).

What I do love is the hypocritical butt hurt of the faux internet sov citizen 'truther.' You see nothing wrong with calling someone like me who you've never met a fascist, saying I am a low level police operative, that I hate liberty, etc., just because I try to instill some reality into your fantasy of self perfection. Yet, when I point out what you are displaying as delusion, all the "he is ad homineming me! Help help!" nonsense spews forth. Your kind is childlike in its egocentrism.

As far as what game you think I am playing and "following the other man so he will like me" you have no idea. I don't boast too much on here. But I've taken on huge firms and opponents for comparatively small clients. I have former clients who realize if they weren't lucky enough to have come across me, or someone like me, that they wouldn't have come anywhere near attaining justice, as they simply wouldn't have been able to afford it. And I do that all practically, with very conventional things such as a law license and empathy and passion. Now go work on your algorithms, superdude. And don;t hit to much of the woodrose seed!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

How many supercomputers have

How many supercomputers have you got working in that? Because my MATLAB tends to become as slow as hell when I run even the simplest of simulations =D

Or are you a supercomputer yourself? Maybe something like skynet.

Like the guy said, either you are the smartest man in the history of mankind, or you are someone with delusions of gradeur. Know that the smart money is on the latter.

Shamans? In India we have lots of them. Con artists, moat of them. There was just a campaign by the state police to put a lot of them behind bars for theft and fraud. Continue what you are doing and I'm sure you will suffer the same fate. It is a serious caution if you are really anything like your online persona.

Who calls someone a terrorist on a playground? You went to some weird ass schools huh? I'm sure Tamerlan was also only trying to restore natural justice huh? You are the same, just don't have the balls to actually do something about it. For that I am glad.

I'm not attacking you, believe it or not. I'm really worried reading all your posts that you are spiralling towards self destruction. Please, speculate all you want about what the ideal system is but don't fall into the same belief system that terrorists have. That the current order is so unacceptable that it has to be brought down at any cost.

Do you know that the FBI could be monitoring this? Are you not smart enough to take that into account. This conversation has included the terms 'sovereign' and 'terrorist' and they have spiders that scour the web for such terms. If you are really as smart as you're claiming to be I expect to hear no more from you for a couple of days. If you aren't...well...your pseudo scientific drivel will continue unabated =D

I am fully aware of the FBI

monitoring this. That's why I am putting this here. They need to see that their tyranny is destroying our peace and the rule of law. I am a peaceful man. My whole intent with efforts in Law is to find logical pathways in law to ensure fair justice is maintained and no violence is ever initiated. Of course in todays scramble brained world this is now "terrorism". Basically their boogie man hunt for "terrorists" is one of if you don't submit to their control then you are a "terrorist" That is ridiculous and demonstrates clearly their mens rea intent to destroy the peace of innocent people who do only wish to be left alone and have the protections of law. The whole point of the tools I am referring to are to find criminals. Of course I might be a terrorist for this because I don't want to be criminals harming me. The level of crime has grown to an unacceptable level to where better tools are needed to maximize protection and we can't count on criminal tyrants who forced the use of a mathematically guaranteed to fail currency to offer any protections. This much is clear.

It is also clear that from the nightmare weapons being developed by the military and their stated intended use to "microwave protestors inside the United States" who the real terrorists are. Yes I met the General who invented these microwave weapons and believe me you take one look at that guy and you can know right away that he indeed spent 20 years testing low power versions of these weapons on himself. His skin is all burned and matted. He literraly loks like he got cooked in a microwave because he did. He was a 1 star general in the Air Force's directed energy weapons lab in Colorado and last time I knew got a job at a University.

That's the future they are building for us along with their concentration camps and even death camps, I have seen the world's largest crematorium facility outside of Houston. 3 Massive gas chambers with built in incinerators each larger than a football field. So who is the Terrorist? Let me guess in your chucklehead world this is all fantasy and delusions of grandeur and I am a dangerous terrorist for wanting to the rule of law for protections right? I have even seen exactly how their compartmentalization has been setup for implementing such machinations of mass death designed to implement this without only a small few really knowing what is actually happening. That is the strategic logic playground for them. Well funded, secret, and calculated in the logic of successful processing of mass death. But I guess all of this is BS right?

Instead of attacking me for wanting to good things maybe you should be looking at this as opportunity to explore ideas for returning to the rule of law for you and your families protections from insane psychopathic tyrannical barbarians.

If I wanted to be "terrorist" all I would have to do is keep working for the "government". I left because I did not want to be associated with the invention and engineering of such machinations of terrorism. What's a jury going to say that? Oh maybe that's why they don't want access to juries for "terrorists". Ya Think?

No need to worry about me. I have my head screwed on straight and only want peace and its protection from the rule of law. And no supercomputers aren't required for the tools because the supercomputer is already in the human mind we just need the proper memory storage and strictly constructed recall to assist the human mind in its imperfect memory recall and organization so that the human mind can operate at its peak performance capability.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

a couple of obvious errors here

really pedestrain stuff, but seeing as to how it escaped you:

one cannot sue in the name of another: This applies to civil suits, as is obvious from the word sue. A criminal prosecution, or an infraction pursued by a cop, is not a civil suit. SO, no, junior, this legal maxim doesn't give you a get out of jail free card.

An action is not given to one that is not injured - again applies to civil suits. no damages, nothing to complain about. However, it does not apply to crimes. A crime is a crime against society, not against an individual. There may nor may not be a victim that is readily identified, but there are and always have been victimless crimes.

Do I agree with that as good policy? Not in all cases. But it is the way it is, and was no different back in 1776 or 1789 for that matter. Or under the magna carta.

so sorry, it is a sovereign myth that there must be a victim for there to be a crime. Read a law book instead.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You fail again

The STATE does have civil fines and assessments that are "civil actions". When asked who the accuser is the "court" says either you are your own accuser or that the DA/State Attorney is the accuser or in some states The STATE of X or the People of the STATE of X. All of these are a violation of the stated maxims and they are perjury or even outright fraud when considering the nature of the personhood status presumed.

The courts here locally have moved from saying you are your own accuser to the DA after I pointed out to them their logic fails because I just state that first this perjury and second that I just drop the charges. They have changed many things over the last couple of years not just in the courts but also what the cops are saying in response to strategic questioning. It is clearly, as predicted, having an impact on how they operate. This is the logical squeezing affect it can have when We the People know exactly what we are doing and why within real law.

You make it out like it has been same forever. That is completely naïve and small minded. It was actually quite different throughout the history of common law and even the US. One does not have to go back that far either to see vast differences from what we have today. I grew up learning inherently about lighter aspects of common law as common knowledge and being in a small town where an accuser was required. If a cop were to get up in somebody's business for no reason people would tell the cop it is none of their business. It was known the cops work for the people and that they had no authority to control other people and was definitely not their job. It was also known that one would go to the magistrate to file accusations against another. Slowly but surely the people let their guard down and bought into the drug war which then opened the door of tyranny to be unleashed. Now people are beginning realize what happened. The more tyranny the faster the population is going to awaken. So if you think it has always been the same you are literally living in a fantasy land. Yes, larger cities it has been gone for a long time but that does not mean that harming other people, in the name of preventing harm or under other color of law, has ever been lawful.

It is clear that most of the population is living like sheep and just staying in the middle of the crowd with no real purpose or clarity and are then easy prey for those who wish to feed off of them. This much is clear but it still doesn't make harming people lawful. In fact there is only one way to lawfully injure another and that is in self defense. No other act of harm is lawful no matter what any statute or judge or attorney says. It is because of the common sense of law that injuring someone is not lawful. You don't need a law book know this because it is the common sense that is at the foundations of common law. But what TPTB need to reverse all common sense logic out of someone's head is mountains of case law, philosophic mumbo jumbo by British control freak bureaucrats, tests, grades, certifications and on and on. I know people in law school and I have evaluated in detail some of the "philosophy" they teach them as "what they have to do" and it is literally insane. The law system is set up in this country right now where the prosecutors "must" prosecute any case assigned to them "whether they believe the person is guilty or not" and the prosecutors are literally promoted based on how many cases they win. This is totally insane unlawful tyranny. This is common damn sense that a case must be proven beyond all reasonable doubt but they make it out like that excludes your own self-evident conclusion of all the facts you are presenting. Fast train to crazy town...

The courts now locally also changed the oath in court due to a total failure they had on multiple levels to understand WHY the oath must be under God and not required to be under penalty of perjury defined in code. They violated their own codes when refusing to accept swearing in under God. FAIL! It is clear that the "courts" do not understand WHY the oath is under God and WHY God is recognized in law in the first place. Exercising law without the concept of God is like doing mathematics without zero. You may be able to do a few things but the whole picture will never fit together. It is so precise in its logical position in law that it can be equated and interpreted into actual programming code literally as the null set. These corrupt criminal goons calling themselves the "court" clearly do not understand the very precise logical nature of Law and most importantly are completely missing the entire WHY factor. All they do process procedures that have maximized the amount of crime they can commit. If this is not self-evident walking into any traffic court then I don't know what planet you are living on. Crime factory that is what it is when one looks at from the perspective that Law is there for PROTECTIONS not to enable mass production of crime!

I have found that law is so precise in logic that I believe that it is possible to strictly construct law in discreet mathematical programming. An algorithm of true law. My prime skill is programming and from my deep knowledge in programming I can see clearly how and why there are so many programmers challenging law out there. It is because programmers are so detailed in their logical construction of the world that law does not make any sense if law is broken to enforce law. This fails logic. I am not harming anyone minding my own affairs and then wham! some psycho barges into your life and throws all these codes at you and then says hey I am just doing my job and then you find out no one is accepting liability for the injuries they have done to you and you must further be injured and pay the ones who "judge" YOU as a "person" under some code written somewhere that You had nothing to do with being there. If you accept this as a lawful state of affairs then in all of your "training" you missed the very essence of law. The Law is for PROTECTION!

This concept of programmatical logic driven perspective of law is far beyond the sloppiness of most attorneys. All variables and data types need to be declared, accounted for and processed properly in programming. If the logic is not a perfect match of compatibility then the function you wish to perform does not happen. It is yes or no. I can see that tools for living within real law will soon begin to emerge. These tools will utilize the laws of nature as its basis in logical processing and then people will begin to see they have a choice on how they choose to protect themselves and maximize efficiency of infrastructure establishment and maintenance. I believe these tools will eventually shatter the current criminal paradigm because of the very logical structure of utilizing the laws to achieve exactly the precedents needed for common law to become organically strictly construed by the People. The tools will be beyond the capability of the State to control and it will completely usurp the necessity for corrupt centralized goons running the show of tyranny r us. Yes real law in the context of the new technology paradigm is something most cannot see right now but they will soon and then humpty dumpty will finally fall.

We are not bound to the current lawless anarchy of criminal thugs controlling us through a corrupt and rigged "elections" processes and "courts". It is of no consequence to those who understand under real law because the laws of nature are logically congruent and applicable within this clear understanding of law as something simple not complicated. Divine law is the ultimate guide through inspiration for search of truth and the logical pieces that come from divine providence are supreme in its effect of order upon the universe. Unlock your mind they have programmed you to do their bidding and give them total control over truth and your entire logically derived motor function. It is totally sound logic to seek truth of law in terms of not violating any law to uphold the law. Finding this truth is the only real battle there is.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

I can hear the John Meloncougar playing

"well I wuz boorn in a smawl town"

Yeah okay we get it Mr. Smalltown. Why, you're a "common folk" and a "small town" guy. Now back to logic.

Yes, the state assesses fines and can bring civil actions. That doesn't contradict anything I have said. If your reasoning is this poor, your results can't be much better. What I said is that a state prosecuting a crime is not "suing" in the name of another. And that it doesn't have to find a specific "victim" for there to be a crime. Nowhere did I say they can't or don't assess civil penalties.

Now, do I like civil penalties? Oh hell no. I also don't like strict liability crimes, parking tickets, day old sushi, and a whole lot of other things. But if you just want to dream up a pretend legal system with your own rules (or that of a sovereign guru) that isn't going to help you much in a court where things are done per the system we have - however faulty that is.

What's hilarious is that you think a judge at the trial court level is going to give one-tenth of a rat;s ass what your opinion of the law is. If you go into court saying "well the law doesn't consider the why factor and blah blah blah I don't see a victim and the law shouldn't require one even though it does" you have talked yourself into a loss. You might even sound good while losing (doubtful, but not impossible). But a loss nonetheless.

I prefer to help my clients deal with the system in reality. They get much more out of it that way.

One could go all sov citizen on the court when arrested and go and argue how unfair the law was, because it was unfair. Instead, one could a nice old affable geezer who gladhands the deputy DAs and schoomzes and cajoles and wheels and deals and get it dismissed entirely. That is much smarter than going into court and saying "hey Judge - listen, the legislature got it wrong, and if the people weren't all fascist scum like you, they would vote them out, but they don't, so listen, just dismiss the case against me so you can be a libertarian hero. Nevermind what happens when the prosecution appeals and wins that appeal because you acted outside the scope of the current case law (common law for the slow kids)."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

This has already been addressed by our laws

You stated:

"What I said is that a state prosecuting a crime is not "suing" in the name of another. And that it doesn't have to find a specific "victim" for there to be a crime. Nowhere did I say they can't or don't assess civil penalties."

You forget (or never knew) that this has been addressed in our law already:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

It is clear that you do not realize where this statement came from and why it is there. It has its roots in divine law. The divine right of kings was not just about being born into royalty. Divine law is all about liability. The king accepts full liability for he and his subjects kingdom. This is why there are repugnant concepts in our organically construed common law as opposed to English Common Law. The mock trials came from the crown being the accuser claiming the chain of liability but in reality held none. This was a logical failure for fair justice because it meant that only one side held liability; the accused. By recognizing the equality of all men (again men and women) created equal meant that that divine right was strictly construed into our geographical jurisdiction as applicable to all men and women. Again divine law is one of liability so one is liable for knowing the law and exercising their divine right, ignorance of the law is no defense. By stating the consent of the governed for the lawful powers of justice in congruence with divine right of equality thereby, through divine providence of divine law, that equality brings liability with it. We ended the kingdom in order to have a freedom where all held equal liability for their own actions for the very purpose of maintaining logical congruency within all law. The strict construction of organic law applicable thereby severed those aspects of English Common law by declaring them repugnant to true enlightenment of real law.

Sure, there where just as many chuckleheads and corrupt men back then as their is now proportionally. And yes corrupt men are constant and ever persistent in their tyranny. But the question is are we each willing to swear upon the alter of God eternal hostilities to all forms of tyranny over the minds men or not. Are we going to be real men who stand within divine providence and exercise rightful, lawful and just exercise of the protections of law or not? Are we going to let two-bit lowlife corrupt tyrants implement all their tools and machinations of theft, torture, murder, and control upon us or are we going to bring justice to all who commit crimes against anyone seeking just remedy. Is it going to be equal justice under the law or the state dictating a reality that unlawfully enriches them at the expense of EVERYONE?

You idiots think that people seeking justice is some kind of terrorist. You are thoroughly brainwashed.

As far as strict liability goes notice how strict liability popped into existence in our "law" in the years following the 14th amendment. Do you think that would have anything to do with the unlawfully ratified 14th amendment "person"/"citizen of the United States"? Hmmm? Do ya think? Maxim addressing the 14th amendment and all derivations of code applicable to this "person"

No one is obliged to accept a benefit against his consent

Consent makes the law. A contract is a law between the parties, which can acquire force only by consent

A contract founded on a base and unlawful consideration, or against good morals, is null.

Laws violated in making the 14th amendment
Article 5 amendment process
Article 3 section 3 Levying War against the People
Fraud
Extortion

They have been operating on the basis that no one would figure what they did and that they could use their word magic of the person to confuse everyone into consenting to their own tyranny. Yes this is the inescapable divine law unfolding before our very eyes. We were ignorant of the law and the tyrants took over. That is the only thing that has really happened. We forgot Law.

I feel sorry for you if you can't see how beautiful the law actually is. It has the ability for us to wake up and use it at anytime because of its logical nature and know matter how much precedent has been set for repugnant concepts. In fact it can even have a parallel existence to it. If people who are ignorant of law get tyranny but those not ignorant of law get protection then the fact is that both realities can exist at the same time and both are lawful due the very source of order of the universe called divine law. In natural law this essentially the quantum mechanical wave function collapse that happens upon perturbation, in Common Law this is the "facts of the case", In our organic law this is consent of the governed, in the Constitution it is We the People, In Statutes, this is the "person". Are we there yet? There is a logical congruency already there based on the facts of the case.

What facts are you going to use to collapse the wave function. I ask very strategic questions that get them to admit to their criminal activity on the record. I seek logical conundrums that are essentially conflicting logical check mates in law to expose their corruption. There are MANY of these. I have perfected this so well that I can even get very predictable motor response functional responses out of them. I am using the records I obtain to build the cases slowly but surely upon every act of crime they commit against me. Their tyranny is not sustainable to an awake and aware population this is a fact of the case.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

You're Really Dense

no, of course the statutes don't say they claim applicability to the people. That is obvious to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex. It also doesn't state that the Earth is round (though you may have some contrarian theories on that, too, I surmise).

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Again you missing the WHY??

You can read law books all day long, practice court procedure, make deals with other attorneys, file paperwork according to the rules of the court templates, etc. and this does nothing for finding the true essence of the protections of law. If one is not humbling themselves to the discrete detailed logic of true congruency for maximum protection of law then what is one doing?

Here is the WHY behind the codes and statutes not claiming applicability to the People.

Lets review the relevant entities defined in Organics Laws
Governments are instituted amongst "Men" (men and women law is masculine form).
We the "People" create/ordain/establish/institute "Government" with a Constitutional Contract

Due to Common Law governing contracts this is a common law strictly constructed contractually binding agreement amongst "Men" who instituted Government. The Contract creates a US Citizen or Person for that strictly confined limited liability operational capacity. The only way for men to get into the capacity of the Person of the US Citizen is through the contractually binding oath. When the Person is under the veil of the Constitutional Citizen they are bound by their voluntarily contracted duty. Common Law governs the contract between the men through the Constitutional Contract. Regulatory procedures, conduct and prohibitions are then further strictly construed through legislative code. This regulatory code applicability passes through to all persons created under the lawful authority of Constitution. All regulated capacities must be derived from a mutually contracted limited liability corporate veil. Corporations that register with the state for limited liability register for regulatory personhood status in exchange for certain benefits and obligations of regulation based on strictly constructed rules for body corporate operation. The companies voluntarily contractually created the legal person subject to regulation for a sound limited liability framework driven by reasonable needs for such large and diversely populated organizations. Codes doesn't claim applicability to Men or People due to the voluntary requirement for entering into such a contractually created capacity. If you signed up for it you are expected to know the rules applicable to it. The People, men and women, however must be born free of all obligations in order for no laws to be broken. Putting obligations on one who does voluntarily agree is extortion and now systemic fraud in the current system. Common law applies to all People who choose to live within the protections of common law is voluntary but also has potentially deadly consequences for those who wish to live outside the protections of law. The only two real categories of disputes comes down to Breach of Peace or Breach duty with all facts presented determining the type of breach known in law from precedent. People are always full liability because they are not under capacity of someone else's time and they are acting on their accord not under direction or duty of some contractually defined capacity. Having full liability means that protections of law becomes a balance of liability between the accused and the accuser under common law. This is how the real protections of law work. The people are not in a person capacity because they are full liability and may have never voluntarily /lawfully entered into contract for a limited liability capacity of the legal person.

The u turn unknowingly made was with the fraud of the 14th amendment making all presons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdication therof "citizens of the United States" Here we have a newly created (unlawfully) capacity called the citizen of the United States. Another government created capacity. Hey slap some birth certificates on top and you got yourself a whole society of People turned into persons now subject the codes and statutes that were intended for function and operation of government. Throw another load of coal on the boiler in this fast train to crazy town. Lets make People person capacity in government through their birth certificates and give their private info to a private bank who can then run the future profit earning potential calculation of the amount of income taxes that "person" will pay to the IRS over their lifetime and have that bank tell the government how much funny money to print to give to the bank so the bank can loan it to the government and "persons" at interest in such a way that only principle goes into circulation while principle plus interest owed back to the private bank who is profiting from the interest on the loans of this unlawfully defined tender placing an entire nation into bondage from birth and ensuring that all property is economically vacuumed from the people's hands into the bankers due to the mathematically guaranteed law of nature expressed by P< P+I. Dude the entire rule of law has fallen from all of this confusion about what laws are applicable to what entities and WHY that is so.

You may be an "attorney" but you clearly do not study law if you consider any of this code being applied to people as lawful. The founders were geniuses and while we stand in awe of their works the level of their genius is difficult to even comprehend because of their laser like precision with every word. It is literally the most beautiful thing I have seen ever anywhere once I realized exactly what they actually did through the contract. It is amazing and these two bit tyrants of procedure today are so freaking retarded in their drunken corruption that they can even hold a match stick up to the blazing galactic inferno of enlightenment enshrined in the Constitution and DOI.

So Dave maybe it would be better if you thought of law the ways musicians think of music. They learn everything they can only so that they can forget it. When your forget it because you have learned its essence it is natural common sense not millions of pages of insane code justifying murder extortion, kidnapping and all out tyranny. This is the nail in your coffin dude. I really hope you come with us instead of fighting us. The genius is there for us access it right now!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

The music analogy really works

It should be one hell of a lot easier to learn the law than the law school system we have. But I will say this for it, you get immersed in it and learn it in such detail - especially if you are a good student, that you can't possibly remember all of it. So what you do learn, much like your music analogy, is the essence. You learn how to reason, how to issue spot, how to argue (in the legal sense of the word, not the bickering sense), how to analyze. It is very effective at that. And that is my experience with it as well.

When one gets out of law school, one learns that the stuff they learned - case law from various jurisdictions about torts, contracts, criminal law, real property law - may differ from what the law is in their state. But they learned what the issues are, and when the client sits down and describes (accurately) what happened, one can say "you may have this issue, I'll research it". But no, lawyers aren't computers who have all the law memorized, as they can't be.

And one also learns that law school taught them substantive theory. Only by practicing, full time, lots of hours, for a long time, can one become fluent in procedure and in using it to the advantage of a client. A first timer, even if they can find all of the laws and procedures (doubtful) would be like a karate student that learned different moves, but has no idea how to string them together, fighting a black belt.

I suspect you;ve learned this firsthand.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Who said anything about silver certificates?

You don't even know what you are talking about. I wasn't even referring to a silver certificate. I stated very clearly that I was referring to a federal reserve note (a 1950 series which still carried the statement "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL PAY TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND FIFTY DOLLARS" ) and yes this is in fact a contract whether you understand that or not is beside the point. Here is the law:

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/411

Lawful money is gold and silver coin. The constitution makes that clear when it clearly prohibits the states from making any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts. The constitution has not been changed. Furthermore the definition of a dollar as the authors of the bill of rights understood it when they wrote the seventh amendment has not changed. The reason federal reserve notes are not being redeemed is because of unconstitutional executive orders. I recommend you do some more reading on this subject, it is really quite clear from the statements made at the constitutional convention that the current system is the antithesis of what the founders intended please check out http://www.constitution.org/gb/gb-plea.htm. Here is the most relevant portion:

"The eighth clause of the seventh article, in the first draft of the constitution, was as follows: "The legislature of the United States shall have the power to borrow money and emit bills on the credit of the United States." The journal of the convention for August 16th makes this record: "It was moved and seconded to strike out the words 'and emit bills,' "and the motion to strike out these words "passed in the affirmative. Yeas: New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia — 9. Nays: New Jersey, Maryland — 2." So the convention, by a vote of more than four to one, refused to grant to the legislature of the United States the power "to emit bills on the credit of the United States."

For the interpretation of this record, Madison, the best possible witness, has left this note: "Striking out the words cut off the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender either for public or private debts.""

Also I recommend reading the following monograph for further historical background on this subject http://constitution.org/mon/what_is_a_dollar.htm. Additionally you ought to read Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on the subject for further perspective http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=s....

I do hope that you take the time to read, learn, and truly understand this issue in its entirety, I am glad that you have responded to my comment and given me an opportunity to show you some of the irrefutable facts on this matter.

Madness Absolute Madness

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"You Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come"

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sure, no non sequitur there

laetrile and silver certificates are both perfectly on topic! :rolleyes:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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I just updated the story with

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These agents put her life at risk. She will now have to go to another doctor or ER in order to get the PICC line cared for, or removed...