I see a lot of this lately. People who are conservative or libertarian falling into liberal media traps hook line and sinker. They will search for any weakness in our movement and will exploit it. Unless you have been through all the deceit, lies and unethical actions during Ron's last 2 primaries you might be succeptible to these attacks. Don't let them demoralize you or antagonize what we have accomplished already.
I think he's exactly right.
The drone comment obviously isn't the issue. I'm convinced that many of these anti-Rand folks haven't liked Rand ever since they found out he's conservative on social issues; so they're picking apart and twisting just about everything he says.
It appears they don't realize that Ron Paul is personally very socially conservative also.
The difference is Ron Paul doesn't use slurs (assuming he didn't write the newsletters) or impose his beliefs the way Rand Paul does.
Just want to give up, bend over and take what TPTB give them.
If not Rand, then WHO? Or run yourself. Let something POSITIVE come out.
Liberty should be a positive message, yet all I see on the DP lately is division, petty arguments and hostility.
It's very likely there are former CIA agents fomenting dissent on this site and others, seeking to divide the Libertarians, Tea Party and the other Republican groups.
Before any idiot screams conspiracy, pick up a damn history book. The CIA has done work for the RNC since at least the late 60s.
Its odd that the guy that abhors a "police state" is all of sudden defending it. Nice try Kockhead.
Ron is a liberator Rand a controller.
This is 100% a flip-flop no matter HOW you look at it. Screw Rand Paul and the slut he rode in on. Either he's been bought like a little bitch, or his filibuster was nothing more than a total lie...
... Very closely and it is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that you seem to miss is that Rand Paul used that same analogy multiple times in his filibuster. It isn't a flip, you were just too lazy to watch the filibuster and gave your endorsement being ignorant on it. Rand Paul 2016...
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in questioning actions and words of others
and out right calling names,and in the process making a
fool of yourself
setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon
many here limit their research to pictures and posting comment and react as sheep.
Ron Paul has been preaching for over 30 years "do your own god dam homework".
Rand Paul still has my vote.
Maybe because some of us dislike the conservative platform and prefer freedom
we all want the same but have different ideas in how to attain that result.
So sick of the anti-Rand trolls out there. Name one politician (in office) who is better and more effective than Rand. Can't? Then STFU.
Just because someone disagrees with something Rand said, or even if they *gasp* don't like him at all, doesn't make them trolls.
As far as naming a better politician, well that's just it; there are those who hold the opinion that they're *all* bad choices, and/or that relying on politicians for furthering "the cause" (whatever that may be) is useless or even counterproductive.
Slapping labels on those who disagree with you isn't going to make them change their opinion, nor will it strengthen your arguments.
For frame of reference, Rand is "okay" to me. I don't think he's a 'statist' (another word that gets thrown around far too often), but I also don't see the point in supporting anyone with our current voting system in place.
A signature used to be here!
Effective doing what? Imposing sanctions on Iran? Putting predator drones in U.S. skies? Lemme tell ya how much Rand is gonna get for you -- nothing. He'll "succeed" in cutting your Social Security and Medicare benefits, but he won't succeed in cutting your taxes. Oooh, let's show that Bernanke and maybe, pretty please, audit the Fed, which will be a fake audit and end the conversation on the Fed right there. If Rand wants to advance his political career, then let him get his donations from the people he represents -- self-professed "libertarians" like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
Klaus, you pegged it.
and, I am NOT a supporter, nor will I be, for RAND PAUL.
Now, what are you gonna say?
A person doesn't MIS-SPEAK, unless he is either not convinced of his own viewpoint, or he is pandering to someone else's. If Rand had the strength of conviction of his own beliefs, he would NOT have this problem.
DR. RON PAUL was a man of integrity in all respects. We all know this. We know the pressure he had on him in Congress, yet we loved him because of ONE REASON ALONE----his "CONSISTENCY".
Sorry, but Rand doesn't cut the mustard here. I will never donate to his campaigns, nor will I travel across state lines to physically campaign for him. It's my sense that he was jealous of his father, based on a real life conversation a friend of mind had with him. He betrayed him, when he decided he wanted to one-up him. But, it won't work. I won't contribute. He isn't worth it. Sorry to disappoint.
Yet Ron was also inconsistent at times.
Endorsing Neocon Lamar Smith in 2010
Endorsing the Welfare state and SS in his 2012 budget
and the list goes on...
No one is perfect....
And when Ron Paul endorses and campaigns for his son, will you and your friend admit you were totally wrong about Rand being jelous of his dad and stabbing him in the back?
The whole friken point is he says stupid stuff. he is a traditional conservative, not a classical liberal like his father.
So why attack him on issues on which he is CORRECT!
Ya get on his case when he makes a fool of himself for assuming black students don't understand the republican role in civil liberties. but don't say he is wrong when he says individuals and governments have the right to defend themselves from imminent threats.
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"Latter Day Liberty"-Connor Boyack(forward by Ron Paul
Doctrine and Covenants sections 134 & 89
Watch Secretary of Agg Ezra Taft Benson's discourse on "The Proper Role of Government"
The architect explains the purpose of Neo
99% of the people like the Matrix, people with imperfections (advocating freedom) are seperated and exterminated. Our Neo's have been Rand, Rothbard, Goldwater, Reagen, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, etc.
Rand is no Neo....He's more like Cypher
you never know about rand. he's a politician unlike his dad, and most politicians are not sincere a lot, lie, play games, wheel and deal, try and please others, are used, flip flop etc so a knee jerk reaction while may have not been all too swift in this case, it is certainly understandable.
I stand with Rand.
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This question is geared toward those who are now against Rand Paul, whether it be due to his drone comment, OR anything else that he has said or done to point you in a different direction.
To those of you who no longer want to support Rand as a hopeful candidate for the next presidential election, my question is, who do you now select as an alternative?
I do not wish to create a greater divide between those who are pro-Rand and those who are anti-Rand. My question is merely a point of curiosity.
At least he doesn't immediately cave and disavow his positions when he's put in a room with neocons like David Frum.
He is communist so don't tell me how wonderful a broken clock is because it is right on the time twice a day.
Seriously. Think about it. ;)
Get over it. WE didn't even get Ron Paul a speaking spot at the GOP convention. Stop flowing energy toward individuals, like Rand, that have already supported situations that clearly steer toward Neocon insanity. The GOP leadership is a cess-pool full of selfish, violent, and sociopathic individuals. MOVE ON.
You've been here three whole months, and the gist of your comments seems to be "Rand Paul sux, move on."
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You don't like someone else's opinion, so you use their length of membership and the "troll" label in an attempt to invalidate what s/he said. Why do so many on the DP resort to that?
The system *is* broken, and was deeply flawed to begin with. Our voting system is a joke, and until that gets addressed, elections will be USELESS to anyone interested in 'voting for liberty'.