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Debate in my daughter's English class

I am very proud of my 15 year old daughter.

One day last week in English (grade 10), the class had a debate about whether or not the students of the class would trade their freedoms for security.

The class was divided into 3 groups: (a) those who would not trade freedoms for security (b) those who would trade some freedoms for security (c) those who would trade all freedoms for security.

Not surprising, my daughter was the ONLY student that stood in group (a)...out of 28 students. The other 2 groups were about equally divided.

They debated gun rights, other Constitutional rights, and increased surveillance with drones and cameras. My daughter stood her ground...said things like if you take away the guns from law abiding citizens then only the criminals will have guns. Drones shouldn't be used to spy on Americans. She said how people fought for this country to be free and now we are willing to give up those freedoms today. There were many other details discussed.

At the end, she said not only did her teacher commend her, but many of her peers did as well. She said many were shocked at how much she knew (the gov't schools have done a good job of dumbing down our kids). Whether she changed some minds is yet to be seen.

What scares me about this incident is that if this is an indication of Americans response to the police state, along with last week in Boston, Americans will be fast to rollover and surrender. My friends, I think there will be little resistance to the coming tyranny, at least here in NY. They will take the guns with ease.

She attends a public school on Long Island.

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I worry

that they are rounding up kids who can think on their own.

I graduated HS at 16 yo. I had some pretty radical ideas. They were more than happy to graduate me as a JR in HS.

I was rebellious with almost a 4.0 gpa, and I think they wanted me out. There was some controversy, in that I outsmarted my english teacher who tried to fail me. Luckily I kept every piece of work I did so they were more than happy to pass me and send me off to college.

Be careful. I tell my son to not talk about stuff like that at school, but that he should learn as much as possible.

Maybe I'm paranoid. I don't want to be painted as the "radical" dad. I hope your daughter is not singled out. If she is smart enough maybe she can graduate early and get out of the BS. Public school is horrible.

Stay Frosty

I asked her if she felt

like teachers have been getting inquisitive with her, especially her English teacher after the debate. She doesn't think so, and I trust what she is telling me. She only has 2 more years to go. She is a pretty good student...not disruptive. She plays sports and violin, so I don't think she is viewed as a "stand out" by the other teachers. But her views definitely stand out.

You know what you have to do now then:


Great video


the fact that she stood her ground, alone, is commendable.

Her command of the facts and historical significance of the issues involved, and her ability to communicate it clearly to her classmates and to her teacher as well, is even more impressive.

Tell her from the DP Community: You are a true Patriot, and we are pleased to have you among our ranks! Thank you, for sharing her story, and raising her to be a Patriot, as well. Well Done, both of you!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I appreciate the comments

I have to say, the state-of-mind of a large majority of the population in this country is very troubling. There are times, and more often as of late, that I think we as a country have crossed the point of no return. The numbers of patriots and true hold-outs will be underwhelming when the police state arrives.

I know it sounds as if I am giving up, and to some degree it is accepting reality, but I fear our worst nightmare may about to become true.

My daughter says she feels like an outcast for the most part. She has a small, close circle of friends, but even they do not share her views.

I truly believe her generation is the game changer. At least around here in NY it is. They will accept increased security and loss of freedoms with open arms.

Given the fact that we live in the Northeast, Metro NY area,

I can understand your fears. Just keep in mind that this part of the counrty is very unlike the rest of the country.

It's hard for people living outside of this area to comprehend how things work here. We, on the other hand, are subjected to a bombardment of attitudes which are completely foreign to the rest of the country. Don't give up! Just try to enlighten the liberals. I have found they are a lot more receptive to our ideals around here than the neocons are.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Nonna, I hope you right

But it is not only is also much of the east coast...NJ, eastern PA, CT, MA, MD, with the exception of the smaller states of VT, NH, and ME. As liberal as those states are, they do not want Federal intrusion....and they love their guns as well.

You could probably draw a line on the map from the western suburbs of Boston down past western side of Hartford, down thru eastern PA (encompassing NJ), down to the western side of DC. I would say that must be about 60-80 million people where the majority (probably 70-80%) would have no problem giving up their Constitutional rights.

Every Saturday there is a handful of Patriots that gather on a street corner near here. They display all sorts of pro-freedom, anti-war, anit-drone, anit-gov't signs, and American flags. They get a few honks, but not many. Most probably think they are nuts. I stop and talk with some of them once in a while....they say not many support their cause. That the response makes them sad. They are losing the country they grew up in. I am 47 myself, and things are certainly different from just 20 years ago.

The demographics of this group is all white, late 40's to 60's. Not one young person, and never a race other than white.

My point here is that the group that cares the most, 40's and up, is a dying breed and my daughter's class is a perfect example...a microcosm of the future of America.

Belize, Uruguay, Chile are on my list.

Standing around waving signs isn't going to change a damn thing.

They could, at least, pass out actual information to the sheeple!

You are right about the areas you specified but, then there's the rest of the country. Maybe not as densely populated but, a lot of people outside of our area do "get" it.

Instead of the sign and flag waving, maybe you could organize and go to town council meetings, listen respectfully, and later join in the discussions and add your opinions in opposition to the agenda. It doesn't matter whether GOP or Dem. Just infiltrate and get seriously active on the front lines instead of the street corners.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I agree

I think they are wasting their time. Maybe I will talk to them tomorrow and see if they are open to re-directing their efforts.

Keep us posted about that.

It may help others to organize and, should you need advice, there are others here who've "been there" who would be glad to help another Patriot.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Went to the intersection yesterday where they usually gather

and they were gone....they usually set up around 10...some days they stay a few hours and other days they stay longer. Yesterday must have been a short day. I couldn't get there until about one-ish.

What scares me

is that this debate even occurred. WTH are the schools/teachers thinking?

Giving up liberty in exchange for security should not even be considered an option worthy of discussion.

The simple fact that they had this "debate" foretells where our country is heading and gives us insight to the indoctrination taking place.

BTW, I commend your daughter too! Sounds very bright and well-informed!

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt:

My daughter too!

She's been through college and graduate school supporting Ron Paul and liberty and now she's in the workforce voicing her message of freedom.

To the other Moms, we did good.

Very happy to know her

Very happy to know her teacher commended her. That's a positive at least. Maybe the other students learned something that day.

That she was the only one out

That she was the only one out of 28 to defend her rights is actually quite consistent with Constitution-supporting / liberty voting numbers. Just look at the last election. We're a minority among minorities.

Our daughter has stood

alone on moral matters in her college English classes too (speech class as well).

Proud of your daughter...keeps hope alive.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Easiest explanation

[QUOTE]What scares me about this incident is that if this is an indication of Americans response to the police state, along with last week in Boston, Americans will be fast to rollover and surrender. My friends, I think there will be little resistance to the coming tyranny, at least here in NY. They will take the guns with ease[/QUOTE]

I think its probably a reflection mostly of lack of preparation for the class. If you didn't do your homework or want to take the argument with the lower degree of difficulty, you go in the other two groups. Group B would probably be the easiest to BS your way through. Its wishy washy and you can be philosophically inconsistent.


In a real life situation

In a real life situation, like what happened in Boston, the guys in uniforms won't give you a chance to finish your homework or prepare your philosophical debate. You will likely be asked to make a decision with little or no notice. So this exercise may in fact be a predictor of what people in a real life situation would choose.

You may be right

But I am looking at the initial reaction of the class when the teacher prompted them to form groups....and the initial reaction is that we are scared and willing to give up our freedoms or some of our freedoms. Out of 28 kids, one kid, my daughter, stood alone. The condition of the population does not have "resistance" or "fight" in them. At least not here in southern NY. I know I am not speaking for the rest of the country, especially out west. But the vast majority of people here in the east will fold, as proven in Boston last week.

Good post...minor disagreement

"My friends, I think there will be little resistance to the coming tyranny, at least here in NY. They will take the guns with ease."

Maybe south of 84, as a LI guy you may not be able to see our numbers of like minded "resisters". Upstate is Ron Paul country!

I hope you are right

But after the display of force in Boston, weapons owned by civilians are mere squirt guns.

You did a good job raising

You did a good job raising her dad.

Southern Agrarian


and she is a big Ron Paul fan!

You should get her a copy of "Meet Ron Paul"

To take to school. ;)

Get your Ron Paul biography for kids here...

Ron Paul will only give guidance.

However the way you raise her will give her the ability to understand it. God job legendary dad!

No, friend.

The thanks all go to you. You did (are doing) us and our nation a great service. Kudos to you!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

The young are our hope

for the future of liberty.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

dividing people into "groups"

... it's what Democrats do

This "group" is a victim of that "group"

I call bull shiiiiit


Democrats are just like Republicans, its true.