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I think Rand is a slave to the GOP warmongers. Rand will simply survive and change NOTHING.

WE know this to be true. WE watched Ron Paul get laughed at by GOP leaders. WE witnessed Ron get ignored at the most recent convention. The system is corrupt and broken. WE are at war around the world. Keeping that game going is the top priority for the self appointed ruling class. Rand will do nothing. He will support what he is told to support. Period. It's time to grow up and stop putting your faith in individuals that get swallowed up by a nasty, violent, selfish, political system. Rand has been assimilated. MOVE ON.

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So, a post from 4-25-13 "re-appears"

..and I ask myself...
....What is the agenda?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

And who do you support? Who is better?

Christie? Ryan? SAntorum? Cruz?

No one is perfect by any means but I for the life of me can't find anyone who is better than Rand. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places, please share your wisdom for who we should be considering?

McCain? Gary Johnson? Newt?

Am I suppose to care what you

Am I suppose to care what you think?

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

lmfao

i don't care what Rand is. The gov exists, therefore we are all slaves.

Thank you. I will now put all my faith in you and move on.

Because I'm not capable of making my own decisions and having my own judgements about the character of others and need complete strangers who are not in the public light to guide me.

/sarcasm

LAME BRO!

How you fail to see that Ron Paul's "greatest political failure" has been his greatest personal success, is dumbfounding, to say the least. The GOAL isn't to Win some illusionary position in office—it is to educate and spread information to the masses by whatever medium is available.

This site is one of such mediums and you have chosen to use it to no degree of meaningful value except inadvertently reminding the rest of us that we all have minds of our own.

So, thank you (no sarcasm this time)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

PREVENTED WAR IN SYRIA

He saved perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives by delaying the Syrian War long enough for a negotiated settlement to be reached.

THAT'S A BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Yes it is, and the drones

And he brought very much needed light on the drone situation. No one else up there cared. Now it is being legislated.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Or...

Rand COULD be doing an "Iron Web" (See "The Iron Web" by Larken Rose) Grant Collins routine as well. You'll have to read it to see it if you haven't. Worth the read, just go to Amazon, look it up and read the reviews. It's the kind of book, once you read it you go back and buy 10 more just to pass out to friends and strangers alike.

The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle;
pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity; and
worship without sacrifice: Mahatma Mohandas K. Gan

Daily Paul and the message

has gained enough interest, that these posts are made.

Thank you. No need for a downvote here.

Your efforts are obvious.
http://www.dailypaul.com/user/58894

You are only here because other 'members' are failing.

You earned my down vote

What you're doing is important.
How you're doing it is not constructive.
I think you can figure out how to question rigorously and be constructive.

Randbots never allow

anybody to even question Rand's flip-flop agenda. One day he's talking about how evangelicals are to eager to go to war to protect the Israelis, then a few weeks later he's talking about how we must bow to Israel in the Iranian peace process, which I never knew when they were considered an aggresser? I mean I thought we were on this site to promote the principles taught by Dr Paul, but many continue to turn the blind eye when Rand pisses on these principles? Ron is a General, Rand is merely a Captain at best!

No Randbot

I have the same mixed feelings about Rand Paul that others have.
I know Ron Paul didn't get anywhere in the sense that he was always an outlier.
I keep an open mind with Rand because he employs a 'blend in' approach then when he has national attention he lands some very powerful punches on the establishment.
I can't take that away from him.
He sure doesn't turn me on like Ron Paul.
But he's in there swinging and generally coming across as very competent.
I just don't see any point in attacking him savagely like some others do.
It makes us look rabid.

Go for it

Ron Paul says he agree with Rand 99%. Start listening to what Ron Paul says at 3:00

Why has democrat party been so successful?

The democrats have been so successful because they know they can not get all they want immediately. They demand 120% but settle for 10%, they figure if they get a chip its better than nothing. The next congress the push to get more is always on the table.

This is the reason the liberty movement will most likely fail. So many in the liberty movement believe that we need to have all or nothing. If a candidate like Rand is a little different, they would throw him to the alligators. Never mind that he believes 90% as the liberty movement.

If Rand gets support from the neocons, it could be a real game changer. He could even be our Trojan horse, in that a sitting President does have coat tails for new candidates to come to power

some day we have to start thinking about reversing all the crap that has been put upon us by both parties, even if it's a small chip at a time.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

Absolutely

Nice to see someone with some common sense. A sculpture is not created with one blow of the hammer and chisel. I wish more could see that Libertarianism as an effective party in numbers will be 50 years down the road. 200 years of wrong direction must be undone first and "creating the the environment" for it to succeed is the first step.

The socialist agenda must be slowed down as soon as possible no matter what size wrench is thrown in to the gears, or there will "NEVER be the environment" to succeed. We have no choice at this point but to plea bargain and then appeal the case in the future. Failure to appear will be disastrous.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Good point

Just as tyranny has been slowly incremented, so must liberty...but is there time for that? Would it actually work to attempt and salvage what we have left, or is it better to simply walk away from it and starve the beast? Or even something else entirely. I don't see a right or wrong choice, just different ones (though I see some as more effective than others...)

Working at the town/county level best suits me, as I can affect small, incremental changes without having to compromise on much.

A signature used to be here!

Rand is an unknown

So far he has "played three-dimensional chess." He has indeed done some good things, such as fighting against the renewed attempts at gun control by them, but he also seems to be machinating.

He was against drones this whole time, but he seemingly is now okay with them being used on Citizens without respect for the judicial process. Also, as you mentioned, he did quite boldly betray his own father during the primaries.

Some will believe in him, and others won't. What he really is is yet to be seen, for if he is indeed simply another Neocon, he does a much better job at hiding it than his peers do.

Ron Paul 2016

Rand Paul has done more for

Rand Paul has done more for liberty than you will ever do as long as you keep that attitude. If you think that disengaging from the entire political process is somehow going to fix things then you are severely mistaken. Stop attacking those who are actually working!

"Stop attacking those who are actually working!" BRILLIANT

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kind people rock

actually you know nothing to

actually you know nothing to be true. You cannot judge Rand Paul for Actions he hasn't even taken.

I have issues with Rand Paul but i have no problem voting for Him. He is the only way the gop can win in 2016.

Ron Paul 2016

I Don't Really Care Anymore

Not voting again. It's pointless. Why can't people here get it through their heads that IT'S RIGGED! Doesn't matter WHO you put up to run. IT'S RIGGED. Get with a new program! You are STILL thinking by THEIR rules if you don't see that! They are laughing at your brainwashing. IT'S RIGGED!

skippy

not true,locally voting can

not true,locally voting can remove corruption. start locally and move up. Fighting corruption is not easy and has to be done over and over. Make Change don't complain and do nothing that is exactly what they want you to do give up. At that point your right you gave up the fight and let them win.

Ron Paul 2016

The guy turned on his father during

Ron's presidential run to campaign for a total loser. Remember? Some of us worked our asses off for YEARS to put Ron in that position. Rand is a loser who folded when WE needed him most. Now he will direct important Liberty Movement energy into the sleazy GOP cesspool. MOVE ON.

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Bumping your own trollery again?

What? You're not a troll? It's confusing because you talk like one, act divisively like one, insult like one, repeat talking points like one, bump your own posts like one, and have only been here since Rand Paul started to get traction among rank-and-file GOP voters like one.

If you're not a troll, and are simply an immature, self-important, short-sighted, throw-out-the-baby-with-the-bathwater jerk, please accept my sincere apologies for calling you a troll.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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Notice how...

all of FrankOff's comments are about the topic being discussed or related points. Then look are your comment. It is 100% an attack on FrankOff's character (ad hominem) and innuendo. Wow. I am so not impressed.

Do you have any substantive replies to the assertions contained in FrankOff's post and comments? Or just infantile mean-spirited name-calling and character smears? Just sayin'... :)

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

frank would make a great gop

frank would make a great gop establishment shill, divide.

Ron Paul 2016

why are you here, stop voting

why are you here, stop voting stfu and go away then. give up want some wine with your cheese.

Ron Paul 2016

Thanks Weebles.

I'm sure you remember campaigning for Ron for YEARS only to watch his son turn toward Romney when WE (Liberty Movement) had worked so hard to put Ron into a very powerful position. Ron was attracting thousands of people to his talks. Then, Rand publicly announces he will campaign for Romney and ALL momentum stops. Romney gets destroyed in the election and the years of work liberty activists did became a joke. The wars have expanded. Bankers walked away from prosecution. GOP is still a train wreck. Don't you find it odd so many individuals have forgotten this? Sad. Rand is not fit to lead the Liberty Movement.

I'm a troll because I think

Rand is not good enough to lead the Liberty Movement? Wow. Good luck Kathleen. We obviously have different standards.

vote rubio then? or suggest

vote rubio then? or suggest an actual candidate that will be running in the gop or outside of it.

If Ron says Rand is good enough for him. then good enough for ME!!! If Ron Paul doesn't run again. Then Rand Paul is my man. If the gop is not smart enough to nominate him? Then i look elsewhere and the gop loses the election in colorado and elsewhere.

Ron Paul 2016