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Poll: 70 Percent of Americans Say Smoking Weed Is Not a Sin

A national poll released Thursday by the Public Religion Research Institute shows that 50 percent of young Christians support legalizing marijuana and that an overwhelming majority of Americans don't think it's a sin to get high.

The overall results of the poll are consistent with other national polls, including one released earlier this month by Pew that found 52 percent support for marijuana legalization.

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/04/25/poll...

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I read the headline as "Not

I read the headline as "Not Smoking Weed is a Sin". Twice.

The other 30%...

The other 30% are a bunch of dumb-a$$ muther truckers...just sayin'...

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

Just wanted to point out

Just wanted to point out again how weird it is for people to be polled about what is a sin or not.

Sins are sins no matter how people think. Legislate morality? Hmm, let's poll morality! That'll do us fast fur sure.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Sins are not always sins 100% of the time, Max.

Is the Almighty an absolutist or a relativist? You believe the former. The Bible states repeatedly that He is the latter. The Bible states that sin is circumstantial and relative to the conditions at the time; sin in not absolutely always sin.

Talk about putting words in

Talk about putting words in my mouth. And I am sure I'm not going to be dragged into the discussion.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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You said: Sins are sins no matter how people think.

These are your own words, not mine.

Sins are what God says they

Sins are what God says they are. Your discussion was off on some other tangent.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Exactly correct. Sin is determined by what mood God is in.

The same act can sometimes be sin, and other times it is not, all determined by what state of mind God is in.

Throughout the ages, the Almighty could care less about whether we ate fruit or not. It only mattered if we did when He said not to. Then it is a sin, but not just any sin. We are in this mess due to eating that fruit. It would have been the same if He had said don't jump up and down or don't stand on your head, or don't whistle, and we had done any of those things.

What about issues that God is silent about, like marijuana, caffeine, vigorous exercise?...something that hits the pleasure center/endorphin rush. There was no mechanism put in place to amend the 10 Commandments. Those laws aren't like the Constitution. Subjects that aren't mentioned in the Bible are open to interpretation. They are matters of personal conduct and responsibility, not of labeling as absolute sin.

I don't know what Church faith believes that

I'm not saying some Chirch or faith doesn't believe what you wrote, but in the Catholic Church.. you're way off.

ALL HUMANS ARE SINNERS BY BIRTH (because of Adam's sin,, we are all sinners.. you do not have a choice except what YOUR sins are). Sins can found in words, deeds, what you have thought, and what you have failed to do.. Only YOU and God really know what your sins are.

The ten commandements are the laws God to Moses to give to humans. All other laws are part of the government (for example, the Catholic Church has known America, ruled by tribes, ruled by colonists, ruled by treaty, constitution, ,, CA went from Indian, to Mexican, to USA within 20 years.. in otherwords we understand that governments, countries and nations come and go, and with them come and go laws.. Moses laws remain the same.

I don't find God silent on the issues you mentioned.. those issues will have lessons and experiences for millions of people.. God gives us life and choice.

It is my uderstanding that God want to be our pleasure center/ endorphine rush, as we love God with all our hearts.

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Have you ever heard of the Catholic practice of indulgences?

In the Middle Ages, people could pay the Church to have their sins removed. For those rich people, they could pay ahead of time in anticipation of future sins that they would commit.

absolutely

As the Catholic Church evangelized, they were pioneers if their times, and when they would land they would assimulate the local religions.. this is how the Catholic Church had accumulated tens of thousands of Saints.. we have our popular ones of the day.. here in CA, Saint Francis of Assissi (San Francisco) San Diego (Juan Diego) San Bernadino.. this is global..

Martin Luther http://www.history.com/topics/martin-luther-and-the-95-theses was a catholic preist who took issue with the Chruch, and created a protestant movement.. and this is true globally as well, Easter Orthodix Catholic also have their divisions of philosophy. ALL baptisms in Christ are accepted in the Catholic Church.

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the borg assimilate

that's too funny :)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

truth is too funny

The borg assimulate physically, the Catholic Church, spiritually.

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like monopoly?

with the get out of jail card,but they sold get out of sin cards
to help build the church sin by sin... err i mean brick by brick?
do you mean that deal there?
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Troll away. There is some

Troll away.

There is some decent reading later in the thread, fyi, to anyone trying to read past.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Max:

You don't answer anyone directly. You just answer with Bible verses and they don't even fit the situation. You just interpret a passage in your OWN way, then pass it off as "God said this. Not me."

Let's see if I can get you down here:

Did God say that consuming Cannabis is a sin? Yes or no or forever hold your peace.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

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I'll disagree with that. People should learn from this.

When hypocrites are exposed, they become abusive and attack using the T-word when all else has failed. This seems to be the way that you treat people who don't agree with your rigid thinking regarding all things certified 100% MaxK correct.

What rigid thinking?Your

What rigid thinking?

Your mistake, as are all atheist mistakes are, is God doesn't exist, so you *really* mean xxx. Every argument presupposes endless debate about what you should do instead of consulting God. So they are endlessly ignoring what is plainly said.

I mean - why don't you pray to God and ask Him if He wants you to drug out your life?

There is *PROBABLY* a very good reason why you don't ask Him that. Because He's going to give you an answer you don't like!

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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I do believe in God, and I don't do any drugs.

You should first ask before blindly attacking people. No doubt that I do not believe in God in exactly the same way that you do. You are very quick to condemn people who have beliefs different from your own, and for some reason you take that personally. Drugs may actually help some people to get to know God. Think about that, and try to talk to people respectfully. Treating people in a kinder, gentler way may bounce right back at you in the form of good things happening to you. Until next time.

I don't have an opinion about whether or not drugs . . .

(unrefined ones, close to the 'living'/natural state) can help people get closer to God.

What I do know is that there are certain health conditions for which marijuana (doesn't need to be smoked; some people can't smoke it; tincture works fine) is one of the few, maybe even the only, beneficial medications.

If a person is in so much pain all the time that he/she can't feel God's presence, then having the help of a natural substance might be the key to being closer to God.

I know people who could really use the healing influence of cannabis sativa. But the legal entanglements are too much for them. It is disheartening when 'legal' growers of cannabis get put into prison.

Kind of takes the desire to get help from a particular substance away very quickly.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You don't believe in God

You don't believe in God unless you've changed since I last talked to you.

You've had endless discussions with me about atheism, Thomas Paine, why you aren't a Christian and don't believe the Bible, etc etc.

Last time, I recall you got really mad for posting all the examples of our founding fathers not liking Thomas Paine over exactly that.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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More deception. Thomas Paine was a Deist as I am.

I reject the idea that God would use written or spoken words through intermediaries to communicate with us. I do not reject the possibility that God communicates with individuals, but that communication is for them alone. God would especially not tell someone else to tell me to kill masses of people without mercy. There is no wiggle room in your rigid belief system, Max; no room to grow or evolve out of the trench that you've dug for yourself.

Steve - don't call me a liar

Steve - don't call me a liar again. I don't like you that much.

As I truthfully said, you aren't a Christian.

It's patience I've even given you the time of day in this thread, considering how often you've lied and mocked in the past.

I believe the Bible. That isn't rigid, that's being a Christian. May God have mercy on you someday to find it, if it is in His will still that you do. I don't want to find the unpardonable sin in you, but lately I've wondered about that with some. If God already called, and you blasphemed the Holy Spirit, I think that is what it may mean.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Thank you for the time that you have graciously given to me.

Thank you also for your patience in dealing with me [genuflect]. You know the Bible, and you know it better than anyone else, so much that anyone who doesn't follow the exact way that you believe will no doubt be damned to hell.

You have accused me of putting words in your mouth when all that I did was quote you. You have attacked me for no reason by calling me a troll. You have called me an atheist, and you have called me a user of drugs. When I attempt to defend myself, you incorrectly say that I have called you a liar. On top of all of this abuse, you also believe that I may have committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I have no ill will for you, but you have expressed much ill will against me. You need an attitude adjustment to control your hostility for people whom you disagree with. Seriously MaxK, your actions are the antithesis of Christianity.

Steve, I believe you may have

Steve, I believe you may have committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You seem like someone who knew some scripture once, a former sunday school attender maybe, who is now mocking God. That is exactly that sort of rejection. There is only one sin.

In which case, I don't think there is much hope for you. And it explains why the spirit in you leads you to try to prevent others from being saved. On the off chance there is any hope left, I would get on your knees and pray for your own life.

Matthew 13:1-23
1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Your condescending comments are again acknowledged.

If this was a test in humility, you would clearly fail. I ask the Almighty for understanding and the ability to question everything in order the find the correct answers. You rigid thinking and personal attacks have provided me with none.

I think it is very strange to

I think it is very strange to suggest that god does not approve of cannabis but does approve of sugar, coffee, alcohol, and tobacco, all of which are made readily available to us. These substances help us get through another day of lame culture and debt slavery. They're certainly not "drugs." People will believe anything their belief system tells them, even if it's illogical. I think it's okay to leave the illogical stuff behind.

You can sin all you want.

You can sin all you want. Rape, pillage, kill, steal, engage in perverted sexual acts. You will because you're a sinful asshole.

The only thing you need to remember through all this is to have faith in Christ, because he's the one who is going to take your sinful ass to heaven, or let it plummet towards hell.

I thought it was Santa Clause

who kept track of whether you've been naughty or nice.

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Don't tell me you're a godless heathen :-D