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Poll: 70 Percent of Americans Say Smoking Weed Is Not a Sin

A national poll released Thursday by the Public Religion Research Institute shows that 50 percent of young Christians support legalizing marijuana and that an overwhelming majority of Americans don't think it's a sin to get high.

The overall results of the poll are consistent with other national polls, including one released earlier this month by Pew that found 52 percent support for marijuana legalization.

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/04/25/poll...




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SteveMT's picture

Yup. Even Hitler. Even Solomon with 1,000 wives/concubines.

Recognize the evil that is in this world, and try to separate yourself from it.

In that case, I BELIEVE IN

In that case, I BELIEVE IN YOU JESUS CHRIST, SON OF GOD!!!!

SteveMT's picture

Keeping it simple is the key.

Love God and love your neighbor, like Jesus said. The rest is secondary.

hmmm.

The article said: "Although 40 percent of respondents said using the drug is morally wrong, just 23 percent said doing so is sinful."

Perhaps the 17% who thought it was morally wrong but not sin didn't believe anything was sin? Sin is an archery term meaning 'missing the mark'. If something is morally wrong, it is automatically sin.

From a biblical perspective, if it is illegal and it's use is not morally required by God, then it is sin to use by virtue of its illegality per what the bible says about obedience to government in Romans 13.

If it is legal, then the issue of drunkenness may still apply.
I think that if its being used to prevent blindness in a case of glaucoma rather than to achieve a form of drunkenness, then it wouldn't be sin. But drunkenness is so serious a sin in the Bible that it teaches that Christians shouldn't even eat with a drunkard who professes that they are a Christian (1 Corinthians 5:11). It doesn't forbid Christians to eat with drunkards who don't profess Christianity though.

I think it is a sin. But I

I think it is a sin.

But I think it is a sin because of experience and studying God's word.

I don't think it's a sin because other men tell me they are going to kill me if I don't believe that. I think it's a sin because it's a sin. Men are not a higher authority than God.

The Holy Bible says to have no place with murderers. Not a direct quotation, but the the thought is so prevalent that you can not miss it. Quoting a corrupt government of men that may soon be destroyed by God, when God wills it, is not Christian witnessing.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the relevance of your post in response to mine. Are you saying that you don't agree with what the Bible teaches in Romans 13 and Titus 3 about obeying governments? I think the sentiment there includes obeying corrupt governments to an extent if you consider the following verse:

1st Peter 2:18 "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward."

Daniel honored the Pagan king and only disobeyed when the king asked him to do the opposite of what God wanted him to do. That seems to imply that Christians ought to obey God first and foremost, and then secondarily to be obedient where corrupt anti-christian governments laws are not in conflict with Gods laws.

I've included the following for easy reference:

Titus 3:1 "Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,"

Romans 13:1-7 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

Even Satan is given a measure of respect in Jude verse 9.

Your quotation of Romans 13

Your quotation of Romans 13 is definitively not in line with the rest of scripture, nor even our own government - which was never given the powers it currently is imposing.

And it is not only bad Christian witnessing to say something is wrong because man's government says it is wrong, but it's bad American patriotism, which was founded exactly because they followed God not king George.

It could be said, in fact, that America was blessed by God exactly because they rejected that teaching. Faith sometimes is accepting from God joyfully what He gave us, like our freedom, and is sometimes rejecting false doctrine.

The devil quotes scripture. Believing in false doctrine like sin is bondage.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

And you will note, your line

And you will note, your line of reasoning also says that pot smoking will become moral if the government mandates it - somewhat like the other thread going on now about mandated lesbianism in high schools.

What the government mandates as morality is a rejection of God. In fact, it is a more direct rejection of God than I believe Israel did - who probably did not think the government was going to "create" what was moral by choosing a king, but was none the less rejecting God. This is an idol of the worst sort.

1 Samuel 8
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, 5And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. 6But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. 7And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 8According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. 9Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

Samuel's Warning About Kings

10And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king. 11And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. 12And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. 13And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 14And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. 15And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. 18And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

God Grants the Request

19Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; 20That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles. 21And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD. 22And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

huh?

Re:"Your quotation of Romans 13 is definitively not in line with the rest of scripture, nor even our own government - which was never given the powers it currently is imposing."

Do you pick and choose what you consider to be scripture? How do you reconcile your view with the unanimity of the church through history on the canon of Paul's writings?

The bible teaches that 'all' scripture is inspired by God: 2Ti_3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

And Peter taught that all of Paul's writings are scripture:

2Pe 3:15-16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

And the Bible teaches that you are not supposed to take away from God's word:

Deu 12:32 " Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. "

Rev 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

It is a dangerous game to edit scripture in order to justify sin, and more so to spread those sorts of teachings. The rejection of Romans 13 is certainly not a Christian view.

Re: "And it is not only bad Christian witnessing to say something is wrong because man's government says it is wrong, but it's bad American patriotism, which was founded exactly because they followed God not king George."

Government laws don't make something moral or immoral in and of themselves, just as a parent's command to their children doesn't make what they command moral. The morality in obeying the higher powers is not in the higher powers themselves, but in God who commands obedience to them, just as God commands children to obey and honor their parents. The moral obligation is found in God's prohibition of rebellion. Do you think that children are not biblically obligated to obey their parents when the commands of the parents are not in conflict with God's law? To value American patriotism (or anything, even good things) more than God is idolatry. The greatest commandment is to love God above all, even if it means sacrificing rebellion and sinful desires of drunkenness.

Re:"And you will note, your line of reasoning also says that pot smoking will become moral if the government mandates it -"

Nonsense, God forbids drunkenness, so if the government commands drunkenness it is in direct conflict with God's commands and Christians should then behave like Daniel and honor the government in everything that doesn't conflict with God's law, but disobey the government only on those points that conflict with God's law.

Re:"What the government mandates as morality is a rejection of God."

How is 'not abusing a substance to get high' a rejection of God? The bible forbids drunkenness, so it seems to be the other way around.

Re:"Samuel's Warning About Kings"

That was in the context of the Jewish theocracy where God was their leader. They were bringing bondage upon a people free of human rulers, but what you are talking about has no comparison to that, but rather is merely rebellion against an established authority. Read the rest of Samuel and you will find that Romans 13 continues to agree with all of scripture:

1st Samuel 15:23 "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king."

Who cares about sin? Why are

Who cares about sin? Why are we talking about what's a sin at a liberty site? Libertarians aren't concerned with sin except in their own personal lives. It's between you and your god.

If it doesn't violate your rights, don't worry about it. That's the cornerstone of liberty. If you haven't figured out that most basic of tenets by this time, you're a lost cause.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

This isn't the Daily Paul sub-form, it's the religion sub-forum

And also, it's the topic of the thread.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I am one of those Christians...

... who believes that the Bible condemns drunkenness, but not drinking per se. In other words, my view is that drinking is to drunkenness as eating is to gluttony -- a matter of moderation vs. excess.

Not having smoked cannabis myself, nor having spent much time around those who do, I wonder: Can one consume cannabis in moderation, such that one does not become "stoned"? I mean this as a serious, non-rhetorical question. What do you Liberty patriots think? Thanks.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

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Why would you want to?

Smoke it, that is, and NOT become "enlightened"? You say, "stoned" and I say, "enlightened".

I have a tee shirt that says, "You persecuted me my whole life for smoking grass and now you want ME to save YOU from an oppressive government? Go figure."

Those that smoke and experience a mild euphoria are NOT hurting anyone!
No one kills anyone by driving with a mild euphoria vs. drunk driving.

The whole "reefer madness" plot was cooked by william randolph hearst to save his paper empire.

http://www.theagitator.com/2002/09/29/william-randolph-hears...

Again, its all about money. Drug war = easy money for the police state and, now, for the big banks laundering it. But you opponents (not you, AJ, per se) just keep right on helping these banksters and these police goons out. You only cut your own throats.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

That's a very self-serving

That's a very self-serving definition, but the truth is even tiny amounts of alcohol have an impact of cognitive function. So if you stick to your definition then consuming any amount of alcohol whatsoever is a "sin" (whatever that means). So now that you know that to drink any alcohol at all is now a sin. I'm glad I pointed this out to you before your soul is lost forever.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

My distinction is not self-serving...

To clarify, I do not consume alcohol recreationally. The only time I consume alcohol is:

1. Holy Communion at church (the wafer is dipped in the wine, then put in my mouth). While communing with Christ definitely has an impact on me (in fact, it is the highlight of my day), I have not noticed the sort of impact on cognitive function that you referred to.

2. When it is an ingredient in a needed medication (and I cannot remember the last time I needed such medication).

I make the distinction between drinking and drunkenness not because I am trying to "get away with drinking," but because I interpret the Bible to make that distinction. For example:

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. - Ephesians 5:18 NIV

Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses. - 1 Timothy 5:23 NIV

To be sure, one who is prone to abusing alcohol should simply stay away from it, as should one who believes that any consumption of alcohol is sin.

I can also appreciate why the "total abstinance" position became prominent here in America; unlike in Western Europe, where wine and beer are the traditional alcoholic beverages of choice, America "grew up" on whiskey, which can make the line between drinking and drunkenness very thin. Furthermore, we Americans had much greater access to clean drinking water than the Europeans did, which made alcohol less of a hygenic necessity.

One final note: While I respect your position that alcohol should be completely abstained from, I think that it goes too far for you to imply that those Christians who do consume alcohol will be "lost forever."

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

I can't help feeling you are

I can't help feeling you are both trolling each other.

Lack of sin and being perfect isn't what makes a Christian - only God is good. Being saved by grace is what makes a Christian. God saves you, you didn't earn it or deserve it. But God loves you, and made a way for you in His Son Jesus Christ.

Discussing what sin is so you can avoid it is just Christian living and learning how to live.

I don't think a discussion of sin or vices is necessary a religious topic, as you can objectively see what are crimes or vices from nature. However, some vices might be easier to get over after you are saved, because before you have anything to look forward to, you might instead want to drink - as in "let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die". A kind of fatalism. But before you are born again, it may be natural to feel that way.

1 Corinthians 15:32
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

1 Peter 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I am not "trolling" anyone, Max

I simply asked a serious question about whether one can smoke cannabis to moderate effect. The respondent then attacked the underlying distinction (about alcohol) that I had brought out to set up my question concerning cannabis.

I definitely agree that salvation is entirely by God's grace...

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV

... and that belonging to Christ provides the greatest hope that one can have:

For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. - 1 Corinthians 13:12 NIV

To know Christ our Husband fully, even as he knows us... for me, this is the prize that makes running the race worthwhile. Come soon, Lord Jesus!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Yes

To answer your question. I can't say why i got stuck in the thread, but I saw a plea. ;)

The effects of canibis can be regulated by the consumer, similar to drinking. They wear off in a similar fashion and time frame to alcohol also.

Just open the box and see

Sin... for the religious

Libertarians don't care about sin. The only question is are you violating the constitutional rights of another or denying them of their freedom under the law. The answer is NO.

"Sin" - completely irrelevant. Leave it to the church to debate amongst followers.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Managing your own life

Such an answer pretty much says it's better to be concerned with how the government rules, then having self control over your own life.

Your own life is more important than government.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Own Life More Important

Yes it is.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

There is an interesting sentence...

... in the linked article:

"Although 40 percent of respondents said using the drug is morally wrong, just 23 percent said doing so is sinful."

Apparently, many Americans believe "morally wrong" does not necessarily mean "sinful." Is this because "sinful" requires a religious belief that "morally wrong" does not require?

Also, the linked article does not mention what I think is a significant finding in the poll:

"There is considerably more support for legalizing marijuana if it is to be used for medical purposes. Most Americans (63%) who oppose the general legalization of marijuana nonetheless favor making marijuana legal to treat certain medical conditions if prescribed by a doctor. In addition to the 45% of Americans who favor the general legalization of marijuana, 35% of Americans say they would favor the legalization of medical marijuana, compared to less than 1-in-5 (19%) who oppose the legalization of medical marijuana. Majorities of all major religious groups and political parties favor the legalization of medical marijuana."

If 80% of Americans favor legalizing medical marijuana, I expect that the laws in just about every state will reflect that position within a very few years.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Let me clarify what I said below

I don't believe that a vote of men can make something wrong that isn't wrong.

But I don't believe that a vote of men, societies declining standards (which is vain, and I like Pilgrim Progress's definition of that - see the chapter on Vanity Fair, and this is important, or yourself can make something right either.

I use to smoke a long time ago. It was a huge mistake, and does cost you if you smoked as much as I did.

The Bible says that "there is a way that seems right to man, but that way leads to death". I remember I use to justify all sorts of vices for myself (and they aren't crimes against others, but they're still sins), as long as they didn't harm anyone else.

It lead to all sorts of dangerous situations for myself, waste, harm and potential harm. The Bible lists drunkenness and other vices like going to whorish women as sins, and God is wiser than you are, and it's His own Word so you can avoid bad things and bad company - even if it seems ok to you - God's word is "a lamp unto my feet".

And I can't say my family has been much better. My grandfather died of smoking, my father died of drinking, and some of my extended family just weren't any good on other things. But at some point, I woke up and said, this isn't any good. And, God saved me from my own foolish situations. And, look, it's actually in His Word not to do those things. God is who says what a sin is.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Psalm 119:105
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

James 4:4
know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

FYI - good movie to watch

FYI - good movie to watch some type, about a real life hero from WWI - who started out being a real hell raiser, but then became saved, and after that WWI's most decorated soldier, after coming to an understand scripture and whether it's right to fight or not.

At first he wasn't going to, but he studied scripture more. Which is like a lot of us, that keep reading the Bible and praying to come to an understanding from God.

Sergeant York
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034167/

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

It is not a sin. And God

It is not a sin.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion...over all the earth... - Genesis 1:26

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. - Genesis 9:3

...Hear, and understand:
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. - Matthew 15:10-11

Have control over it and don't let it control you.

Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaints? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes? Those who linger long at the wine, those who go in search of mixed wine. Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it swirls around smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper. Your eyes will see strange things, and your heart will utter perverse things. - Proverbs 23:29-33

And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit. - Ephesians 5:18

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
Quench not the Spirit.
Abstain from all appearance of evil. - 1 Thessalonians 5:18-19,22

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

Regarding: "Every moving

Regarding: "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. - Genesis 9:3"

It doesn't say that people are supposed to get high off of it, just as it doesn't say people should eat tomato stems or the poison parts of blowfish. There is a particular use for it in preventing blindness in the case of glaucoma. The sin is in misuse , i.e. drunkenness and in some cases the sin of rebellion.

Why would smoking cannabis be

Why would smoking cannabis be a sin in the first place?

It's just my opinion and anyone is welcome to dispute it.

It doesn't hurt anyone else unless you don't get US grown legal stuff, and causes no issues of immorality.

In fact many people feel a deeper feeling of connectedness when smoking it.

I'll take a puff or two every year or two and it makes me feel a deeper connection with my creator. When I was a teenager I smoked it a lot which is why I stopped doing so. It didn't have the intended effect any more. Also, I once took some pure MDMA (the real stuff, not a pill, from a chemist) and my feeling of depression and isolationism went away permanently from a one time use, and I scrapped the SSRI. Is that bad? Or is taking anti depressants for life better?

Add on top of that the three churches I have been to all have unearthed corrupt indecent people. Pedo's, jerks, charlatans. I'm sure there are good churches although I do think from the heart the best christians are the ones who follow the golden rule and probably don't even know they are a christian.

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Absolutely, DF...

its all propaganda!

The amount of pharmaceuticals that would be rendered obsolete by cannabis is uncalculable (and big pharma wants to keep it that way)!

So, we get the lobbyists paying off the law makers and the dr. phil (crackpots) of the world demonizing it.

Such is the life in amerika, as we know it.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

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its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

jesus

turned water into wine. sounds like a partier to me.