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Poll: 70 Percent of Americans Say Smoking Weed Is Not a Sin

A national poll released Thursday by the Public Religion Research Institute shows that 50 percent of young Christians support legalizing marijuana and that an overwhelming majority of Americans don't think it's a sin to get high.

The overall results of the poll are consistent with other national polls, including one released earlier this month by Pew that found 52 percent support for marijuana legalization.

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/04/25/poll...




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a "sin" is a term to define...

...what man has done in violation of God's laws...a sinner gets SAVED, becomes a Christian because he repents to God for sinning against Him...let's get that straight first of all, since you dopers want to borrow "church language" to shape public opinion...

Psalm 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight:

...nice scam poll to advance the mantra that the church is pulling away from obeying the Bible, or defining Christianity by social consensus, rather than the Scriptures...

In these verses, Jesus didn't say non-believing Jews, Hindu's, Mormons, Muslims, or Buddhists are going to hell....He said professing Christians are going to hell...

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity...."Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"(Matthew 25:41)

How many professing Christians today HATE fundamentalists who bring up passages like this today? How many professing Christians today are...[verse 28]..." astonished at his doctrine: "?

...watch this YOUNG CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA...this is how you get yourself BANNED from ever speaking again at a Southern Baptist Convention youth conference!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncEhCvrVgQ

You potheads worry about your men-pleasing ways, and rationalization of of atheism and irrelevance of any natural laws that come from a Creator: you don't need a "Christian" endorsement for "getting high"...TRUE Christians won't answer you according to your folly...that would make us just like you!

You and that "true" argument

I'll say this once again: That is a logical fallacy, not an argument.

You're the personification of the reasons why so many people rip on Christians so hard. You're an intolerant zealot who thinks you're the only one who's a "true" Christian. You're an arrogant twit who uses religion as a soapbox, and hides behind it whenever someone criticizes your arguments.

History shows that those who preach the word of God the loudest are those who wish to twist it.

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LOL. He said TRUE christians.

LOL. He said TRUE christians. All capitalized and everything!!!

With all of the different denominations, and the way the the big dogs of christianity, the Catholic church, changes the definition of "true" christianity based on the arbitrary whims of one man, the pope, what makes you so sure you've got TRUE Christianity figured out?

Who's to say you, specifically, won't be "astonished by his doctrine"? If the evidence of your specific brand of faith was so solid, you religio-nuts of all flavors could agree on stuff.

As it is, I often find myself trying to explain why the Golden Rule ALWAYS trumps whatever prejudice babble that came out of your preacher's mouth last Sunday.

Golden Rule: If YOU decided to toke up or have a drink or spin in circles, you would NOT want some self-righteous thugs attacking you for it.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

Your childish slander gave you away as a mocker...

...but, for those looking on to the challenge I've been demeaned into defending; I say John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Therefore we, who have been John 3:3 "born-again" by His Spirit, from above, Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

It's a pretty EXCLUSIVE club, the TRUE believers versus the professed believers.

If the WORD is not their final authority on ALL matters of faith and practice, their fruit is very telling..

HAHHHH!!!!! Violently

HAHHHH!!!!!

Violently opposing pot smokers has nothing to do with faith OR religious practice. Violence has nothing to do with your professed religion, only with your (screwed up ) interpretation.

Interesting to note that what you consider the WORD is actually what the Emporer of Rome and the King of England thought the bible SHOULD say.

Bible thumpers always think they can twist ans distort the WORD to justify all of their high-and-mighty atrocities. It's been like that since the beginning of religion.

However, NOTHING trumps the golden rule. If your INTERPRETATION of a 2 thousand year old book (that was written in a language that no one speaks) makes you think you can justify breaking the golden rule, then your interpretation (or Justinian's or King James's) is obviously wrong. Jesus said so.

Let's take it slow: IF you wanted to puff the lefty..... THEN you wouldn't want another man ATTACKING you for it.... THEREFORE, any "bible" justification is AGAINST the golden rule.... IN CONCLUSION, you are simply twisting the bible into whatever you WANT it to mean.....Just like Satan tried to pull on Jesus during his 40 day camping trip.

.... So, by all means, fork tongue it up, oh righteous one!!!!!

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

I'm trying to "violently" keep people from smoking pot...?

...your crowd rises up again to assert I subscribe to a belief system that [justifies] all of their high-and-mighty atrocities.

Let me guess, you believe in evolution...

Let me guess, TV preachers control my mind...

Let me guess, your non-agression principle will be cast aside if force is applied against us?

Tell me where the Golden Rule comes in when civil war breaks out?

Let me guess, Jesus is only a mythical character UNLESS you think your intellectually superior to a cocky Christian that takes a moral stand based on the Bible, right?

Endorsing total abstinence from chemicals that can alter a state of consciousness is "effing archaic and ignorant and religious barbarism", right? I'm a dangerous theocrat, right?

I'm not the neo-con, you are; you're Bill O'Reilly, the homosexuals have the better argument, the Bible CANNOT be used in the marriage debate, because....it's a STATE institution now, there is NO supernatural governing authority, right?

How about that Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence? Was it Christ, like John 1:1 says? Or, was it the deity of the "pure religion" Thomas Jefferson inferred was corrupted after he cut all Christ's miracles out of his Bible? Was it the deity of all the ecumenical compromisers prayed to at the inter-faith prayer service after the Boston bombing...or...maybe your the god of your own universe?

I read The Kennel by Elijah Green, I get more about using force, and the war on drugs, and governments and CHURCHES employing violence against people than you think...I also know more about what fuels a revolution, and, what makes it successful and lasting....

Your move...but seriously...lose the caricature Hollywood slander against Christ and Christians...

At least you are admitting

At least you are admitting that you're guessing. I only subscribe to the golden rule and those "edicts" that are consistent with them. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not atheist, nor a christian who ignores the golden rule.

You, personally, would only be "violently" trying to keep people from smoking pot if you support keeping drugs illegal with your vote.

Evolution is a science, not a faith. IOW, it has nothing to do with anyone's beliefs. It either occurs, or it doesn't. Religion, metaphysics, Tradition, and philosophy have NOTHING to say regarding evolution. I'm not even sure why religio-nauts even get involved.

I have no clue who controls your mind, and I don't really care.

No, force doesn't violate the NAP, aggression does. That's why it's called the NAP, not the NFP. If you can't tell the difference between force and aggression, just know that it exists.

If you feel that the golden rule is inadequate for what you are trying to accomplish, don't let that stop you.... Just don't post crap about holding the "TRUE" christian line. A christian, by definition, holds the golden rule as the supreme commandment, handed down by Jesus, himself. If it doesn't afford you enough justification, then add your own lil twist to it, and call it "Patriot-ism", or whatever.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

Matthew 23???

Jesus chasing the money changers out of the temple wielding a whip???

Is righteous indignation "Christlikeness"? A defender of recreational pot use is gonna tell me the tenets of the faith and tell me how to speak about my faith? What's next? A homosexual, or an abortion doctor?

Want me to lose my composure, throw a few choice names at you so I can "lose my testimony" so you can tar and feather me?

How about a little 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,(10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Well, that's not nice...can I get a "don't judge" lecture out of you while I'm at it?

And for the record, evolution is NOT science; it's tax supported RELIGION...and you're not as smart as you pass yourself off as without entertaining the opposing arguments.

Cherry-picking Christian maxims without full acknowledgement that ALL humans were created in His image and likeness, whereas ONE HUMAN CELL is more complicated than the space shuttle, is a demonstration of a haughty principle of tolerance that doesn't pass the smell test when I know there are an innumerable lot of professing Christian politicians who would pass your golden rule test on the surface, yet are content to hand this republic to the global elite on a silver platter as long as their creature comforts and men-pleasing endeavors are not hindered.

The religion of the founders was well studied and rooted in the scriptures; it led to a certain morality to become commonplace; evil was discerned, called out publicly, shamed and eschewed!!! It's your patriotism that is lacking if you are laboring to hewn those principles down, with your contemporary view of how Christians should speak and behave, or imply I'm some kind of narrow-minded religious bigot and moron for believing by FAITH that there's plenty of scientific EVIDENCE that the two great cataclysmic events(creation and the flood of Noah's day) occured just as the Bible that contains that commandment of Jesus records it did; then you best have some OTHER scriptures/commands you can rip my patriotism to shreds with.

Christian fundamentalists are so difficult, and rude, and unloving, and hypocritically ignorant; aren't we?

... and save you

... and save you anti-evolution diatribe.....

"believing by FAITH that there's plenty of scientific EVIDENCE"

I don't think I even have to explain how ridiculously flawed that statement is. Evidence deals with observations in the real world. You don't have to have faith when you can directly observe something.

Yeah, yeah, things went down just as the modern english version of the bible says..... except for that lil problem with China being older than the earth, itself. Not to mention that the Deluge, in particular, was plagiarized from the earliest known book, based on the Sumerian religion. Replace Ningashzida with Satan, replace Ziusudra with Noah, and a new religion is born out of the same old stories.

... And what about the books that Justinian decided to toss out of the bible? Oh, that's right, The Book of Enoch said that the earth was round, so it had to go, I suppose.

I know the earth is round, because I can observe the effects. I know evolution occurs, because I've seen what happens when a person doesn't take their antibiotics correctly. I know the golden rule trumps all others because to contradict the golden rule requires treating others DIFFERENTLY than you would treat yourself, which is the definition of prejudice. I know hitting the bong is ok with God because it doesn't violate the golden rule. I know making cannabis illegal is a sin because enforcing it directly violates the golden rule.

But what do we know? Who's to say that "Yahweh" or "Elohim" isn't an Hebrew translation of "Enki", or that "Allah" isn't the Bedouin translation of "Yahweh" (or "Elohim"; We're not sure which Hebrew God is THE God). We don't know these things, thus the necessity of FAITH in all religious matters.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

FWIW, whatever the "true"

FWIW, whatever the "true" religion is, it is CERTAINLY not your interpretation of your preacher's interpretation of the king of England's interpretation of the Roman Emporer's interpretation of HALF of the religious texts that were used over 200 years ago by a specific culture about a subject that is apriori in nature, thus outside of the realm of logic, reason, and proof. You think something might have gotten "lost in translation"? Anyway...

How dare you accuse me of patriotism!!! To even suggest that I exhibit an "insufficient" amount of any collectivist "-ism" is rather insulting. The imaginary lines that form the foundation of your partiotism weren't made by God, they were self-imposed.

My how your story has turned. You started out by professing the "true" religion. At that point I called you out with the, "aw lawd, another religo-nut that thinks he's got God all figured out"....... And, now, this post above attempting to accuse my of the same mistake you are guilty of. I can admit that I don't have it all figured out because religion is built on faith, not evidence or proof. Religion is all the things we believe in WITHOUT proof.

So, the golden rule is "cherry picking" Christian maxims? is quoting the constitution "cherry-picking" the law as well? Considering that the golden rule is THE commandment that Jesus told us to obey, I don't think it has any exceptions.

Everyone knows evil is wrong.
Everyone knows wasting your life away is wrong.
Everyone knows that consuming anything to the point of incoherence is wrong.

What you are missing is the link between these wrongs and cannabis. Considering that the highest practitioners of your religion used it in their rituals, good luck with that... And, no, quoting vague passages about smiting foes, hypocrites, and "True Scotsmen" does NOT establish this link.

Control freaks have been trying to find something, anything, that be used to show that cannabis causes some kind, any kind, of harm. Trust me, if they ever do succeed, they'll waste no time spreading the news. Until then, "Reefer Madness" is all you got.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

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an answer to your last question

yes you are,and you are also ignorant and will die in it
as you will not learn,nor attempt to
and your haughtiness shows through in your choice of words
"why would i take council from a recreational pot user"
what a condescending snarky comment from you
but yet your answers back are stay sober,as if marijuana and getting drunk is comparable
and again jesus turned water into wine,was this grape juice?
you knw because you are so much smarter that god,maybe he was confused that day he inspired the writer and got the word wrong
you should go to your prayer closet and talk to god,and tell him his error of his ways,good thing he created you,he needs your help
if god did command the priests to use cannabis in their sweet offerings and worship to the one who created that plant,then how can you arrogant in your beliefs?
you haven't even looked for the truth,and are scared of others who see it
i pity you,my people die for their lack of knowledge
you claim to know the bible,but have not even looked into the real meanings of the words therein ,and you teach others?!?!
you have taught me,but it probably isn't what you think

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

do you know the Greek and Hebrew words for wine?

...have you ever heard a sermon on drunkenness, lasciviousness, or private interpretation of the scriptures?

I don't care if you don't like my abrasive delivery or terse commentary on "getting high", numbing one's conscience, or quenching the Holy Spirit...what preacher would? It's God's opinion that matters, not mine, not yours!

I know who would cave to public opinion, the sissy-britches money-serving bums who are false teachers, NOT SAVED, who serve not the Lord Jesus Christ, but their own bellies...the one's responsible for destroying western civilization as we know it with their Bible perversion translations, and their tacit approval of abortion and homosexuality!

I've taken my stand; and I don't believe the man who knew no sin cast a stumblingblock at the wedding by making a fermented beverage as loosely as people want to believe it was, as it is today. No, you certainly couldn't just go to the Jordan river and take a drink; it most likely was a grape juice with properties that could cause intoxication...but...after 22 glasses or so!

Wine is a mocker, and strong drink is raging the Bible says...I put "getting high" on par with getting drunk...and I don't care if anyone doesn't share my opinion...I would recommend total abstinence from drugs and alcohol to the BELIEVER; and if they caught me getting drunk or high, while in a trusted capacity as a Bible teacher in a formal/organized setting; I would step down immediately and accept church discipline!!!

Aw Lawd!!! The whole "society

Aw Lawd!!! The whole "society is caving cuz we didn't follow the bible" line, really?

We tried organizing society according to the arbitrary and whimsical interpretations of religo-nuts. Just google "the dark ages" for the results.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

the dark ages was when the STATE CHURCH took..

...the Word of God away from the common people...and these days are just as dark because professing Christians don't know their Bible's, by design, from the counterfeit Christianity zionist masters. This no different than the Muslim who doesn't know his Koran, he just digests what the imams give him.

Anyway, you nailed me on the faith/scientific evidence thing; I'm usually a better author than that when expressing my viewpoint...of course...I do all my posting as of recent off a smart phone..

You have your worldview, I have mine; you consider me brainwashed in religious dogma and a slave to clergymen, and I'll consider you wise in your own conceit for having only learned what feeds your worldview as well...

I've been called a hindrance to Liberty now; I was warned long ago that if I tried to bring this Bible, these arguments into the political arena, it would be summarily rejected.

The world is going to hell, this Republic killed itself through elevating man above God...there will be a purging; it's a historical cycle....before honor there is humility...this nation is going to get humbled; and when they do, when it becomes unbearable, will they go to government or the Creator?

I'm eternally secure, I need to move on ... Goodbye Daily Paul

Woah, now!!! Don't get all

Woah, now!!! Don't get all masochistic on me.

I have a better solution:

Let faith and religion take care of the afterlife.
Let logic and reason deal with the physical world.

No reason that one can't be a christian WITH a brain. Two different tools for two different jobs.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

Can I have

your stapler?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Some people treat the State as God...

and any disobedience to it as a sin.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

thus the GOAL of Marxism...

....dethrone God, and put the state in it's place....

*whoosh*

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Smoking weed and then posting

Smoking weed and then posting on the DP is a sin. Far too many I believe, are doing just that. :)

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

some are paranoid, we just

some are paranoid, we just flushed it down because you mentioned it.

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I agree with MaxK

Just a different perspective. A Christian's concept of "sin" has nothing to do with me or anything related to the law.

That being said - it is a good start!

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Since when does a vote of men

Since when does a vote of men determine what is right and wrong?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

From a Scriptural perspective

I have that same question. It's not surprising that worldly people want to make up the rules as they go but the fact that Christians do the same thing is even worse.

You can't have an ever changing foundation because sooner or later the house will fall. Just as our country doesn't follow its foundational document so is Christianity with Scripture.

Revelations 22.2 down the

Revelations 22.2

down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Indoor grown cannabis is harvested approx once every month...

Cannabis is like God's way of saying,

"My children, Babylon is going to throw a lot of bullshit at you, but behold! Smoke this great plant and you will be forever reminded of what is actually real and important in your life..."

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

who

Who said that Christians want to do that?

From a Scriptural Perspective

Cannabis is fine, and even part of the holy annointing oil.