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Forced Lesbian Kissing at NY Middle School

As part of an anti-bullying campaign at a Red Hook, NY middle school, girls were called to the front of the class and bullyed into kissing another girl in lesbian role playing. The boys were instructed on how to identify sluts and to always keep a condom in their wallet.

The director of schools is unrepentant, saying this kind of class is required per NY's Orwellian, Dignity for All Students Act. If this is dignity, I'd hate to see what an indignity is to these people-- probably an old-fashioned tent meeting.

Red Hook, New York – A recent anti-bullying presentation at a middle school in New York that focused on homosexuality and gender identity has angered parents after their daughters have come home to tell them they were forced to ask another girl for a kiss.

According to reports, the session occurred last week at Linden Avenue Middle School in Red Hook, New York, near Poughkeepsie. A group of students from Bard College led two workshops for the youth, separated by gender.

During the workshop for girls, the 13 and 14-year-olds were told to ask one another for a kiss. They were also taught words such as “pansexual” and “genderqueer.”

Parent Mandy Coon told reporters that her daughter was very uncomfortable with the exercise.


A little friendly advice: HIDE YOUR KIDS WHILE YOU STILL HAVE TIME - HOMESCHOOL FOR YOUR LIVES!!! I really applaud the efforts of the Parents for Liberty who are willing to take some kids out of the system for the sake of the country. A pastor awhile back had a similar idea for the Southern Baptists called the Exodus Project, and likened it to Dunkirk. Of course he was roundly mocked by the state-loving leeches of the SBC.

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It's just odd to me that people that are appalled by someone forcing something on them are ok with forcing stuff right back on people. I am opposed to what took place at this school and have no idea why people are even ok with the concept of public schools to start with.

You need to learn the difference between

prohibiting something and forcing something. If I prohibit you from having sex with a dog that is one thing but if I force you to have sex with a dog that is something totally different. That is the problem with the homosexual movement, they want to force acceptance and apparently now they want to force participation.

And you are ok with that? This has nothing to do with Christianity but everything to do with your NWO agenda which seeks to destroy the traditional and natural family.


If you want to have sex with a dog it's not my business.
If you want to impose a law on me, it is my business.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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This was done by a small group of people

So lets just get that clear and no I am not ok with what they did as I have stated over and over.

Would people being on their 5th wife and or people having 10 kids with 10 different partners be to blame for the destruction of what you consider the traditional family or is it just the evil gays?

Maybe you guys in the religious right should know a little about Ron Paul before trying to infiltrate it. This site is about Ron Paul and even he has said you can not legislate morality. You teach people through example and not from prohibiting them from what you deem as immoral or bad behavior through the force of government.

Now if the religious right still wants to co opt this movement because they see their neo-con allies going down in flames you are welcome to come over but be advised we are not going to bow down to you and use the government to force moral laws on people.

Yes I would say that 10 kids with 10 different partners

is bad also. I am not singling out the homos, I am responding to this particular incident. And I stand by my statement there is a difference between prohibition and forced participation. And it seems that in this budding NWO society that we are doing away with the dreaded prohibition in favor of forced participation.

Ask yourself this: Why is it that the homosexual agenda, along with other promiscuity, is pushed so much by hollywood, television, the NWO, Zionists/Utopians and others in power? Secondly why is it that some in "this" movement are so emphatic about helping said powers impose that agenda? Why is it that the decline of the traditional family, which is the backbone of society, is in lock step with the erosion of moral standards?

These are not coincidences.

So your answer is to have a moral-less society?

Let's change the meaning of 'marriage'. Let's change the meaning of what a 'family' is. Let's demand that the Christian faithful cannot preach against homosexuality ... freedom of speech is such a pesky idea when the spech doesn't promote 'progressive' viewpoints. Let's decide what people can and cannot say on/in the public forum. Let's promote GLSEN in the school system and teach boys how to 'fist' safely.
Let's sanction infanticide - it's just a fetus, right? We'll only call it a baby when it's wanted.
It's this whittling away, bit by bit, of values long held that destroys a society.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

No lets not,..

I don't want to change the meaning of marriage. It is a contract that two people made to eachother that they will love one another to death dues them apart.What I have a problem is why the damn government in the business of this CONTRACT? Also how can they take away my liberty because I am gay but bless your marriage cause you are straight? Dont gay people have the same rights as straight people under the constitution? The church has a right to tell me sorry we dont marry same sex couples and they can preach all they want against it BUT MY GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TOO TELL WHO I CAN LOVE!

On the family issue dont go their because what i see with straight people is no morals. They dont teach their kids respect or care if they go to school. I sorry but i got more morals in my gay finger than most church going straight people got in their whole body. Praise God on Sunday and hate them QUEERS the rest of the week! I be out helping people feeding the hungry running for township supervisor and school board. I also will be spreading the message of Liberty and freedom pissing off the Republicans and Democrats.

A contract between whom?

I don't want to change the meaning of marriage. It is a contract that two people made to eachother that they will love one another to death dues them apart.

No, a state license is a contract between two people and a state. In colonial times there were no such things as state 'licenses'. George and Martha Washington were married at her house by a minister and given a 'certificate of marriage'.

According to Black's Law Dictionary, the word license is defined as - "the permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal." So all of a sudden, the state steps in and turns something that was always recognized as a union with legal ramifications and makes it an illegal activity if no state permission given. Prior to 1900, the only requirement for a legitimate marriage was an announcement in the paper of your intent to marry and the couple be married by an official minister of God with witnesses. people were hoodwinked into getting a state license and should stop that practice. Why would gays want to be owned by that state, too? In western societies marriages happen when a minister of some kind sanctions it. Outside of that the 'union' is purely a state contract to engage in something otherwise illegal.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison


Marriage is a private contract between the two people that are getting married! The government should have no role in this religious event. But since this is not true THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GAYS! I personaly dont want the blessing of the state in my relationship, and I also had to make a living will up to cover the legal ends of beeing gay. What comes with a marriage license is also some legal protections that gay do not have just because the government don't want to honor the constitution and the church wants to be bigots! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TOO SEE YOUR LIFE PARTNER DIEING lttIN THE HOSPITIAL AND YOU CANT BE WITH HIM OR HER BECAUSE YOUR GAY AND NOT FAMILY? The church thinks this is right while their priest are raping little kids! That is not what Jesus is about or Ron Paul the true christian

Not at all

No one is going to force the Christians to change their values. You have to remember the 1st amendment is there to protect all religious ideals even the ones that are not so popular. As long as those ideals do not harm anyone I see no reason why a Christian majority should be able to ban these people's 1st amendment right to practice their own religion. There are religions that allow gays to marry so why are their religious freedoms not protected?

If I had it my way the government would be out of the marriage business but as it is now it's the Christians that are imposing their will on the other religions by using the government to define what a marriage is.

I don't want to tell you how to worship your god. I just have a problem when people use government to tell me how to worship mine.

Didn't you read the OP?

You say "No one is going to force the Christians to change their values." Didn't you just read that they FORCED those kids to kiss?


No one is going to force the Christians to change their values.

Canada's Parliament decreed that henceforth any public criticism of homosexual activity is a hate crime against homosexual persons, punishable by jail sentences.

If preachers become criminals for expounding their faith that is forcing a change in values. You have the FORCE of a LAW.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

"No one is going to force the

"No one is going to force the Christians to change their values."

Unless they go to a school that they are forced to pay for through property tax!

You have a choice

No one forces you to attend a public school. I do agree that the theft of money to pay for these agendas in school be it pro or anti catholic values is a crime. It would be much easier to privatize the education system as well and get government and lobby groups out of our children's education.

Funny... A farming family not

Funny... A farming family not far from here had kids taken by the state for not having them in school.


But this story sounds like BS.


Only one source too. Smells very bad in here.

Mostly BS, but partly true

Here's the Poughkeepsie Journal's article about it:


There is also a link there on the left hand side of the page to a "Linden Avenue flier" that appears to be the handout given to the 8th graders.

According to the article, parents are furious that they were not notified in advance. Also, the principal says it was about saying no to unwanted advances. Still, I consider teaching that my job as a parent, not the school's or anyone else's. And if I want my 13-yr old daughter to learn the vocabulary on that handout, that should be up to me, too.

Although this "lesson" looks really inappropriate, I think the OP's title is misleading. It did get me to read and dig further, though.

Here is the orignial source


This is the local paper in the town where this occured. This story is breaking on Fox, The Washington Times, World Net Daily, Right Scoop and making the rounds on all the Christian blogs.

If you think it's bunk, then take it up with The Poughkeepsie Journal who put it out. It is owned by Gannett.


Didn't see that you already posted the PJ article.

Skeptical, but you never know these days...remember Maine?

I'm skeptical, but you never know these days...remember Maine?

No, not the botched caucus. I'm talking about teaching sex ed to 11-year-olds, which was mentioned on the Rush Limbaugh Show, and DID have reputable sources. So, this is about pushing an agenda to middle schoolers, but they're even older than 11 year olds!

Lesbian or Straight, I don't think anyone (outside of a voluntary theater role) should be instructed to kiss or roleplay a sexual/romantic act.

Where I'm skeptical is the line about boys instructed how to spot "a 'slut' ". That makes no sense at all, and goes against the empowerment grain.

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Thank goodness Ron Paul's new book is coming out soon!!



What about all the bullying against the Christian faith?

We see it on the DP all the time, I'm sure it's in the GRIC* system. Are they going to allow pastors into the schools to speak about the Christian faith so the children stop berating Christian beliefs and values?
How many of you remember a few years back when a school - I think it was in Massachusetts - had 'fisting' classes sanctioned by Arne Duncan? The parents were also outraged but I bet those classes are still going on.
They are pushing to make homosexuality 'normal'. Every show now has a gay in it, or 'generational gay' as if it's in the genes. This 'lesson' is just another tool used to break down the moral fabric of society.
*GRIC Government Run Indoctrination Center

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

That knife cuts both ways

"What about all the bullying against the Christian faith? We see it on the DP all the time, I'm sure it's in the GRIC* system."

What about the Christians who seem to get a cheap thrill from telling non-Christians all about how they're going to Hell, how they need to listen to this book and listen to that person, et cetera? When you have people like Mr. Spock and MaxK spewing that sort of nonsense nonstop, yeah it makes Christians look bad IMO. Christians aren't being persecuted for their faith, they're usually just being told to STFU and respect the beliefs of others.

I'm not a fan of government schools, but to place all the blame on them is a cop-out.

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Spoken like a true Roman

That is exactly why the Romans persecuted the Christians, they didn't like the part about eternal damnation. They were tolerant of all the religions they conquored because they didn't have this component.

The thing is, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Himself to proclaim that mankind is in a Matrix and the only way out is through the Blood. This world is going to Hell whether you believe it or not. Like a plane going down, you can be in denial or put on the parachute (The Bible says put on the Lord Jesus Christ). Yes, saying this makes us "look bad", but if we don't tell people about the actual reality they're facing, we aren't really loving them and are disobeying Our Lord.

I'm not sure who's placing the blame on government schools, but the fact that progressive education as outlined by Charlotte Iserbyt in her masterwork, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, outlines clearing that the goal is to change "the fixed values and beliefs" of the child. This role playing is a classic psychological technique used to desensitize and normalize what the child would find abnormal at home. Ditto for the slave training and getting all your approval from an authority figure other than your parents.

And yet, I haven't talked

And yet, I haven't talked about hell that much. But now I see a demand for it, I'll talk about it some more - although I decided I was anyway seeing the need from the last thread.

One of our founding fathers, I think it was John Witherspoon, has a book on the gospel basics. It's a good read. He's presbyterian orthodox, I'm not, but all I saw was good standard Christian sermons.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

so you're ok with censorship?

Christians aren't being persecuted for their faith, they're usually just being told to STFU and respect the beliefs of others.

At least you admit that atheism is a religion.

You have a CHOICE to avoid those threads or ignore those comments. These children weren't given a choice. Big difference that seems to escape you. I avoid the 'gay' threads as much as possible. I see its push as a demoralization of society.

John Adams "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

It's a part of the reason why our country is crumbling.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

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so who decides

what is moral and what isn't?
if there are more catholics,do they get a bigger say in morality?
is there a manual or pamphlet with them listed?
John Adams on religious people,which religion? all of them
just a select few?
does this also include the sects of ra and isis?
our fearless leaders claim to be religious,does what they do count?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

The majority of a society decides

just as it always has.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison