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!More VIPS Are Getting On The Bandwagon! The Obama Fraud Is Nearing A Complete Exposure (Birth Certificate)

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AGAIN, that is one side of

AGAIN, that is one side of the coin. Are you guys that easy to convince? I've watched Arpaio's videos. I've read part of Corsi's book. It's one side of the story. I know it is cool here to buy one conclusion, and I find it an interesting question, but there is not enough evidence out there. Quite simple really. Don't you have a skeptical bone in your body?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I can't speak for anyone else...

but initially I was skeptical, until I had a graphic designer download the PDF into Illustrator and this person pointed out the layers and when clicked highlighted the information that was changed and could be changed.

The person who put the PDF on the White House website wasn't even interested in disabling the layers. Whoever it was, left them active.

You are right this is one side of it...

You are right this is one side of it but... The other side of it is a collective of non professional document and want a be legal experts that only name call and never present any factual information to rebut what Corsi and Arpaio evidence shows. They never directly address the evidence point by point that has been presented because they are playing cover your ass. Look, the simplest way that would put an end to all of this is for Obama to release his physical, original and not a copy of his birth certificate to be examined by certified professional document specialist.Hawaii officials claim they have it and all it would take is a phone call from Obama. But he won't and can not do that because it does not exist. The only place that it exist is a sloppily done digital file that has been put on The WH site. I am sure that he would be glad for all of this to go away and disappear. And he would have done this if he had a real birth certificate to show. At the very least the evidence presented is enough to begin an FBI investigation and that has been blocked by you know who.

RickStone

Wait a minute

Rick, you're saying that they have made the Birth Certificate available for download in pdf format without all the layers merged down, from a government website?

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Finally I have said something that is registering with you!!!!!!! Here is the link
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27%20president-obamas...

It is available at the bottom of the page in PDF form so that anybody can download it.

Thank you Lord, the fog is finally lifting. As I said you can download a free 30 day trail version of Adobe Illustrator. And then open the downloaded pdf file from the above link on the whitehouse.gov site and go to the lower right layers pallet and click and unclick the layers icons. You will see parts of the image disappear and reappear and that is impossible when you scan a paper document.

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..and what's your source for

..and what's your source for that?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Uh, Is Google down today???

Arpaio: Obama birth record 'definitely fraudulent'
Associated Press – Tue, Jul 17, 2012

http://news.yahoo.com/arpaio-obama-birth-record-definitely-f...

I've already watched that.

I've already watched that. I'd like to see a source from the opposite view stating why they disagree, and I'd like to see Arpaio's guy respond to that even. The people here are convinced because they want to be convinced, not because they have enough information to be.

So, if there was an editorial story on AP which said it is "definitely not" fraudulent, then what would that mean? Do you really believe another person's conclusions without wondering how they got there?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

It doesn't "appear" to have layers.

It has layers.

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that is a conclusion

what is your analysis? We're just supposed to take your anonymous screen name's word for it?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Pft.

Download the program and look yourself. Claiming to not know what layers are doesn't excuse you. If you refuse to look or learn there is no way to convince you. Certainly not very "skeptical" of you.

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Lame

Please read the thread carefully, esp my posts, before being so dismissive. As I pointed out earlier, I am sure that any number of thousands of half wits like yourself have adobe photoshop and can look at an already uploaded file online and see that it appears to have layers. The question is why that is. You can't answer that, or at least you didn't nor did you give any of us any reason to think you have that ability.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You don't have to be a techie...

Look at your birth certificate, or those of your children. Notice there is a seal and signature, which verifies the document as a certified copy of the original.

There's no seal or signature on the birth certificate produced on the White House website.

okay, fair enough

but first of all, can you think of any scenario where an original might not have those features? I can. It's not that hard. Rack your brain now.

And let's assume that it is a copy. Does that mean he was born in Kenya? No. Does that mean he is a dual citizen? No. Does that mean it is a layered forgery No.

The problem with focusing on this whole 'secret immigrant" conspiracy is that it ignores the real problem of his actions while in office. And that is the real issue.

If you want a conspiracy, here's one for you: Why is Taitz, a licensed attorney, unable to grasp and apply simple evidentiary concepts that she learned in law school when presenting evidence for the 85th millionth time on the very same issue, after having lost 84 million times for that very reason? The result is it appears as if the issue has been litigated. Well, it has, but not with competent evidence presented to the court. The result is that every one of the cases loses appears to have been litigated, and she marginalizes not only herself, but her followers and anyone who believes there may be an issue that deserves scrutiny.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

There's only one answer

to your first question. If you hold a birth certificate that doesn't have a seal and signature, it's not a certified copy of the original.

If the copy is not certified as a copy of the original, it means it is a forgery. I don't care where he was born. His father was born in Kenya, Obama held dual citizenship at birth. If Obama renounced his Kenyan, or Indonesian citizenship at age 18 or 21, there's no record of it. It doesn't matter anyway, dual citizens are not natural born citizens.

Put the certificate in Illustrator, you will find the layers on the right hand side, click on them. The real issue is he isn't qualified to hold the office of president of the United States, he doesn't meet the criteria.

Better question, why do courts of law turn down the evidence claiming the litigant does not have standing? Check Philip Berg's website, he brought the first lawsuit in June, 2008. If the voters don't have standing, and Alan Keyes a candidate doesn't have standing, who does have standing?

As to the "Standing Issue"

I agree the standing issue is b.s. However, again, at this stage of the game, we should all expect it. Like it or not, it is the current state of the law. I'm talking the way things are, not the way we want them to be in the ideal libertarian utopia (which I am sure we can all agree isn't the present govt). I personally haven't researched the standing issue thoroughly, but I believe they decided it was more of a separation of powers issue - that this issue can be resolved by Congress and not by the Courts.

But I will tell you what - if I were going to file such a lawsuit regarding such an important subject, I would be expecting to have to deal with both standing and separation of powers arguments before if was filed. It becomes really hard to take what some is saying in a lawsuit seriously when the person saying it hasn't thought through the arguments and can't respond to them other than to say "if you don't rule in my favor you must be corrupt". That is just bogus analysis. People lose in court all the time because while they have meritorious cases, they don't present evidence or properly draft their complaint. It's the way it is.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You are missing the point

Have you listened to the other argument, to the effect that the layers are an effect of the scanning and imaging of the document? What is your response to that? I have no opinion on that issue because I don't have the basic documents and I don't have the tech knowledge. Your response merely re-hashes one side of the argument, however, and isn't useful to those of us who are trying to think for ourselves.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

There has been evidence of fraud

for a while now. I'm not going to hold my breath but I'm kinda glad this waited until after the election otherwise we'd be on Romney's first term.

I guess I'm not alone

This is important, because the more people become aware...

of the rampant corruption eating at our system, the more pressure that will applied to change it. This also applies to the conviction of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld by an international tribunal.

As the economies of the West tank, more funds will be available to hire bounty hunters to take down our war criminals, including Obama. Secret Service agents (who already have no love for Obama) will think twice about defending convicted war criminals and pretenders such as Obama if they know that they will charged with harboring war criminals and dealt with, accordingly. The sooner these pariahs meet justice, the better.

I like your science posts but

I like your science posts but are you really advocating the assassination of Obama using hired mercenaries? :-S

I am not a fan

of sheriff Joe A but I did sit through that boring video where his detective made a slam dunk case. I was skeptical prior to that but after looking at the evidence there is no doubt in my mind that obummer's birth certificate if a fraud.

So, I called Boehner's offices(s) and spoke to aides there and ask them if they have looked at the evidence. They had ZERO interest.

So, if Boehner won't touch it and Erik Holder is in control of the Justice Dept and he certainly won't touch it then how will this go forward?

It won't.

Sadly.

In the article it states all

In the article it states all of these "VIPS" have the ability. Maybe if a few states Attorney Generals band together or something down those line.

You used the word "all"

I don't think that word means the same thing that you think it means.

If it stated all, then who are the VIPs, what are their positions, what are they planning to do about it? ETc. Clearly not "ALL" was stated.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

These are the only people we

Why don't you stop being lazy and read the article before you spout off? These are the only people we are dealing with at this point.... That means ALL.. They are not dealing with anyone who can't move this case into prosecution.

We asked Gallups to define what he means by a "VIP." Gallups responded, "A VIP is a very important person of standing. That is a person who can DO something about this case - a person who can move this case to the prosecution level. There are several State and Federal officials and law enforcement entities that can make that happen. These are the ONLY people we are dealing with at this point.

Who?

Who are the VIPS? What makes them IPs much less VIPs? What positions do they hold? What are they planning to do? You act like you've been given complete information and you've been given nothing. I'd like to think someone looking for the truth would make some effort to find it.

I've got some truther juice to sell you, it'll turn you into a VIP...what? You want proof? What's wrong with you! VIPs are important, what's your problem. Only $2,000 an ounce, just for you, while supply lasts. (It may taste like PBR if that is okay). What? You're skeptical and asking questions? You must have gone to college or sumthin. Oh wait! I know, you must be a STATIST CONFORMIST GOVT WORSHIPPING DISINFO AGENT WHO PROBABLY SHAPE SHIFTS IN DAVID ICKE'S BATHROOM!!!! HA! GOT YOU NOW MR ANTI TRUTHER! NOW BUY MY TRUTHER JUICE!!! BUY BUY BUY! DON'T ASK QUESTIONS

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You asked a question covered

You asked a question covered in the article something you could have read yourself. The article states the Sheriff is having meetings with VIP people that can move the case into the courts. It's that simple. no one claims to know who will attend the meeting. They obviously are not making the names public at this point.

You called me out on "ALL" and was wrong to do so... Now you go into a fit over who knows what... It may be time for your meds..

You can spend your days trying to figure out whom will attend.. I will just wait for the press release after the meeting.

So you have no info, and this

So you have no info, and this paper thin rumor from this self-promoter's blog has you all in a frenzy over the great events (which no one can talk about) that are about to happen, involving unknown people (who are very important), and you want me to take MY meds? Hell, I want YOUR meds. They must be much stronger than anythign I can conjur up, though a few microbrews is as hardcore as I get.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You are the only one with

You are the only one with panties in a wad. Running around asking everyone for proof... Why don't you write the Sheriff a letter. He has spent a lifetime convicting criminals and feels he has an Iron Clad case. Oh you know so much more than the Sheriff... I can't believe he didn't select you for his posse!

and again.. I could care less if it is true or false... If it is true more will follow... If false it will die with this post... In the meantime I won't be asking people questions that are covered in the article.

Again you jumped me about "ALL" Read the story it states "ALL" BYE go take your meds

Well, Mr. Low Standards, the

Well, Mr. Low Standards, the article says nothing. But it was enough to convince you!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I'm convinced of nothing. I

I'm convinced of nothing. I will believe it when I see it. Meantime commenting on the story and answering stupid questions from you.

Now if you want to get into beliefs. I have serious doubts anyone including the sheriff will ever be able to do anything about Obama's BC. No one has accomplished anything to date and many have tried. Every court strikes it down.

I also believe the Sheriff has dug up some solid proof the BC as presented is forged. Yes the Sheriff has presented a ton of solid fact and evidence that would put anyone else behind bars. Something the average Alex Jones poster doesn't feel is needed.

I applaud you for seeking facts. Your methods could use some work. Asking people who claim nothing to provide evidence won't help you.