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My Thoughts On The Daily Paul

When I first started coming to the Daily Paul in late 2011 I wasn't sure what to expect. I didn't know what many of the topics were being discussed here. I came here as a McCain voting republican. It was all very foreign to me. The Federal Reserve may as well been calculus to me. As I continued coming to the DP and reading about the Fed and reading about our foreign policy I began to see things I had never seen before. I had that much spoken of "awakening" and a new world lay in front of me. I spent the first few months enthralled with this website. Watching fresh videos of Ron Paul at speaking events and presidential debates was a new and positive experience that I couldn't get enough of.  I was inspired to give hundreds of dollars to a campaign. I was inspired to discuss the primary season with anyone who would listen. The ideas on the DP were worth spreading. 

This is not the same website anymore. It is far different. For someone new to the idea of liberty to come to this site now, as i did a year ago, they would not have the same experience as mine. This website has become Infowars Lite. One year ago if a terrorist had detonated a bomb in Boston we would be angered and outraged at our leaders for having such a imperial and invasive foreign policy that causes blowback on ourselves. We would be telling our "asleep" friends and family that these events are exactly what we've been saying is going to happen with our foreign policy. And, they would begin to see it too and we would continue on our fight for the Liberty movement. 

Now, it's immediately called a false flag and that our government did it or at least knew about it and covered it up. This was said the day of the bombing. Anyone who comes to this site will no longer be greeted with information about our government and it's overreaching and unfair policies.  Instead, they see absolute shit articles about victims who lost 2 legs in a bombing being accused of faking it. That is just one of the many topics thrown around here as "information" since the bombing happened that has turned me away from this site. 

How has the movement fallen so far? Where are the articles about silver and sustainable gardening? Where are the posts about becoming a part of your local Republican party? Everything I know now came from the information shared on this website. There is no information here anymore. It is all shock headlines and empty theories. It has become the very thing this movement stood against. I hope it is simply because it is not an election year and many of the most involved activist are not involved at the moment. I thank Michael Nystrom for hosting such a powerful website for the liberty movement. I just hope it can get back to that by 2014. 




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Bring back reason to the daily paul after all that is what this is all about - reason over emotion.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

ecorob's picture

Who do you intend on "reasoning" with?

I'm just askin'

Will it be those that launch drones on innocent civilians?

Perhaps you can reason with those that detroy our money supply on a monthly basis with QE INFINITUM?

I'm all ears, seriously. Who do you intend to reason with?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Think you misinterpreted my post

I think that you need to back up theories with facts not emotional arguments that feel right or seem to fit in with your world view.

However I do think that arguing that manipulation of the money supply is against the interests of the general public is one area that is easily backed up by facts but it is hard to get people to listen/care.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Since government and its

Since government and its lapdog MSM creates the first hypothesis of what happened, are they exempt from needing to display physical proof before you believe them? Considering that they have both lied to you and us for nearly 200 years, you still haven't learned your lesson yet.

When the government and MSM changes their story it is because they acquired more evidence -which they never show you; but when someone else changes their theory it is indicative of faulty logic, thereby proving the individual shouldn't be heard and that their hypothesis should be discarded.

If those kids could get hand grenades, then why didn't they have Composition-4(C-4) or Semtex instead of using 'black-powder;' they obviously had connections. But, now it is said that those kids had little to no money. So where did they get the money for hand grenades; it's not like they would be cheap.

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Thanks for your honest reply...

"I think that you need to back up theories with facts not emotional arguments that feel right or seem to fit in with your world view."

What I believe is that the so-called theories are NOT theories at all and are BACKED UP by the facts.

The "emotional" argument is the government argument that 19 arabs with box cutters, led by a man in a cave in afghanistan, took out our ENTIRE defense system and the world's most heavily fortified building (with its own missle-defense system) because they hate our freedoms.

Think about it. Which one is the emotional argument?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

old news... a decade ago...

old news... a decade ago... what are you going to do today to change things?

ecorob's picture

It may be "old news" to you...

but, apparently, the OP of this thread thinks differently.

What I'm going to do about it is to always fight against the lies that say this isn't true.

As I vote and support the candidates of my choice in these rigged elections.

What I'm going to do is control my part of the NEW ALTERNATIVE MEDIA that is READ EVERYDAY in this country and is beginning to RESHAPE HISTORY in a more PEACEFUL, TRUTHFUL, EXPOSING way.

Thats what I'm going to do.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Sure you are and you will

Sure you are and you will make lots of friends along the way talking down to people.

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lol...

As if, I started this thread by talking down to people?

I don't have time to pussyfoot around any more, tdd4ron. Either you get it or you don't.

If you can or won't or refuse to see the evidence before you then you haven't woken up yet and i can't help you there. Only you can wake yourself up.

Get back to me after you studied the science a little more, after you've turned off your tv. This is what i say to others and not, necessarily, you at this time.

Talking down to you? No. You'll thank me later. Or, you won't. Either way, God bless you.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

It would be a little hard for

It would be a little hard for me to turn off my tv... I don't own one.

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Well, like I said...

I wasn't, necessarily, talking to you, was I?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

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I, too, miss

The good old days here. Well said.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" MLK

Because

It is much bigger than that. We are in danger. People in charge are purposely destroying America. They want the Constitution gone. And you are more worried about becoming part of the Republican Party? Seriously? This is a fight. Everybody we elect lies to us. The whole voting process is a waste of time.

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Thank you.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

You do, however, have to crawl out from under that rock!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

You are a million light years

You are a million light years behind.... This stuff has been going on before Washington was the President... Running around screaming it accomplishes exactly what? Are you running for an office in your city or state? Are you going to actually do something to bring change?

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As opposed to your plan...

which is....what, again?

Running, screaming, exposing is wrong, you say?

How is it that you are so far ahead? What are you doing?

Except, of course, bending over and taking it up the arse from the lame street guys and the jack-booted thugs, what is your solution, again?

To sit in that life of quiet desperation? Hoping that someday, everything will magically be alright?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

You really showed that

You really showed that Rothschild didn't you? You went to work and slaved all week for some of his paper didn't you? Then to really show him you signed onto the daily paul to talk down to as many surfs as you could... That will show him! LOL

You will be the first into the reeducation camp you fool

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Who is your enemy, tdd4ron?

Me? Or the guy destroying your right to live free?

Because I am not that guy.

Fair question.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

example not talking even

example not talking even needed... No conspiracy.. FACT my just created post just for you:

http://www.dailypaul.com/283483/dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-usi...

To answer your question

To answer your question Neither.

You will lose more than gain with your method. You make many assumptions and talking down to the sleeper will not wake them.

It is an open forum and with

It is an open forum and with that there are people of good and bad faith here with regards too how they view liberty and how they want to influence the look of the content here. Like in all places in society you will have your odd set of nuts that pop up from time to time here as well. Micheal has been very tolerant of all points of view but I have recently been encouraged by his banning of some whose posts have been baseless in any reason or fact and seemly inflamatory just for that sake. The ones who are doing the most damage to the quality of the content are being weeded out. This will, I imagine be a very slow process as it should be and ongoing aslong as the daily Paul is up.

My suggestion is to call the illogical out as you see it down vote it and move to the other side of the room and let the bouncers deal with the drunks.

In celebration of Micheal's efforts I posted this little video you might enjoy http://www.dailypaul.com/283090/banded-conspiracy-theorists-...

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

LibertyMan14

Thanks for writing this, and in many ways I understand exactly what you are saying. I've been a registered user for a few years and was lurking in the background before that since the earliest days. I too often get frustrated on days when I come in here to talk about this topic or that topic and all we see are 50 posts about the Boston bombing.

Here's the thing, though. Learning so much about freedom and government really opens the eyes of people, and I understand the overwhelming feeling of realizing "things are not the way they should be". I was like this shortly after 9/11 and found myself deeply embroiled in reading every online conspiracy there was. It's understandable in many ways. When you learn that many things you believed and were taught all your life is a lie...well you start to think everything is a lie.

I've learned to appreciate the Daily Paul for what it is - a free forum that is constantly evolving, that will at times annoy me, at times please me.

With so many people learning about liberty at the same time, we can expect a lot of different points of view to emerge. I would encourage those that don't like the direction this site can take at times to simply stay involved and get more involved, bring others to the discussion. Help influence this forum in a different direction.

For every time I might get annoyed at things on this site, there are 10 more times that I nod my head, smile, or just get a positive sense about the direction of the liberty movement.

It won't always be pretty, but I encourage you to stick in there with us!

http://lionsofliberty.com/
*Advancing the Ideas of Liberty Daily*

i am sorry that you are so wrong.

I am writing an article with opposite view point. watch for it tonight.

It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't. Also there's pandas.

"Anyone who thinks you can't create something out of nothing never dated a drama queen."

-me

Let me explain how the Daily Paul works, my friend.

I agree with your sentiments, but it hasn't changed as much as you described. The biggest change is that YOU have wised up. Newbies to the liberty movement often do not see the paranoia and sensationalism that inevitably infests the movement. When you first hear about Ron Paul and the message of liberty the tendency is to focus on that. There is so much to learn that the intellectual will be consumed by the wealth of knowledge offered by the best teachers. In my opinion Ron Paul is the greatest voice of liberty ever, as he is incredibly knowledgeable on just about any issue he discusses and he presents his arguments so consistently and rationally. He is stronger in some areas than others, obviously, but in his 50+ years he has learned from, worked with, and befriended the best of the best and battled the worst of the worst. As a single person he could keep you actively learning for years, but he doesn't have to, because wherever Ron Paul's influence has reached, there are other intellectuals contributing and expanding the message of liberty with their own insights and perspectives.

The Daily Paul was a haven for these great people when I first discovered it 3 years ago, and it still is today (though people come and go).

This is also a curse. Wherever there is an area of great contribution, there will always, always be others, intentionally or not, who contaminate it. Libertarianism, like all other ideologies, but potentially more so, attracts nut jobs. We are all human and fallible, but some have abandoned reality. Those with delusions are often the loudest and most aggressive, and as fate would have it, influential to others.

I first started exploring Infowars and its cousin NaturalNews through the people on this website. For a period, I was sucked in by the conspiracy theory crowd. They shared many of my beliefs and my passion. A lot of it seemed so plausible, so convincing.

Then I started seeing that crowd for what it is, as many do. People warned me from the beginning! At first I fought the detractors to the conspiracy theories. How dare they! But, fortunately, I am an eternal skeptic, and over time I starting seeing more of the picture. They aren't truth seeking, they are alarmists and fear-mongers. They want you to be afraid. They reject reality and resent most authority, but take comfort and gain confidence in that there are others who do as well. They unite behind a meaningless, imaginary enemy called the New World Order. It is the perfect scapegoat, it can't be disproven and it can be found anywhere if you have an imagination.

The people you complain about, my friend, have always been here, and they always will be. Some of the most active Daily Paulers have this mindset. They have been at it for years. They have heard every single one of their claims and fallacies debunked in every way possible, but it does not matter. Many won't change. Some will see the light and escape, but others will get sucked in. They flock to people who will accept them, or at least tolerate them. No group of people are more anti-authoritarian than libertarians, so there is mutual interest, even if the motivations and goals are completely different.

If you leave here, they will follow you, as long as you are active in the libertarian community. I resent it, and am often embarrassed by it, but I have accepted it. I mock them, complain about them, and get frustrated, but I freaking love the Daily Paul and the liberty movement. The people and the knowledge that attracted you here in the first place aren't going away either.

Delysid

Marc you often leave me gritting my teeth, but I love you for it

People can't help being wrong, but error isn't failure. It's a chance to make corrections.

But making genuine efforts to understand requires starting with what one has. There is no other way.

I appreciate your candor and you direct approach, even when we disagree.

Thanks for putting up with me.

Free includes debt-free!

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Seriously?

"They aren't truth seeking, they are alarmists and fear-mongers..."

"They unite behind a meaningless, imaginary enemy called the New World Order."

You've been here three years? Well, I can honestly say, "You haven't learned a damn thing!"

That's my quote.

I suppose you say that the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments are also safe, right?

You explaining how the dailypaul works is like a monkey running a power plant. You don't have a clue! Your advice should be free because its worthless.

NOT seeking the truth? Thats why they are called truthers, right? Because they hide from the truth. WE are the fear mongers? Turn on your tv, friend, and see what you see there. Or, better yet, in your case, turn it off!

Nobody here is following anybody anywhere. We are leaders. We helped to create this movement because of Ron Paul. You are a clever disinfo agent but you are easily identified. You turn EVERYTHING around. I pity you.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

This is a great response.

This is a great response.

deacon's picture

spoken like a long timer

or one who looks through rose colored glasses
i say rose colored glasses

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Was that an insult or compliment?

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