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I support the mods RIGHT to guard the DP's reputation...

Let it be said that I support the mods/owner of this website when they choose to slap down whomever they want, whenever they want, for public image reputation, no matter what course they want to set, goals they want to achieve, or butts they want to kiss(advertising revenue:) in the SAME free will manner Jesse Benton can go work for Mitch McConnell!

I push the envelope here, I try to stir things up, I like direct speech, and some I definitely hope to offend in hopes I wake them up to what I believe is truth. We are; either as a voting bloc, a movement, or a website(family) a COLLECTIVE!

We're the "Ron Paul Republicans", the "Liberty Movement", the "Daily Paulers", or just referenced as "over at the DP"...So many organizations do indeed start out well,then they gain popularity and either run with it and remain separated, or, stike a balance(goal accomplished) and conform. In any case, there is/was a "head". I don't care if it's Facebook, Coca-Cola, Occupy, the Southern Baptist Convention, Infowars, Moody Bible Institute, Wheaton College, or the Daily Paul!

They, the "feet of clay leadership", can do what they want for their reputation's sake; the "head", the founder(s)...and when they cast you out(like the U.S. Taxpayers Party of Michigan did to me soon after my 2008 run for State Representative under their banner for challenging the depth of knowledge some of those disgruntled/disenfranchised "Christian Republicans" had), we have to consider it as a teaching lesson! "before honor, there must be humility".

We're all obviously free to try to crank something up on our own and take a following with us, and that's the same risk the site owners probably took with a "if you want something done right, do it yourself" entreprenurial vision. Some may think Michael Nystrom hit the lottery here...well...GOOD FOR HIM!

So, for the record, I don't believe any of the decisions made to kill a post, or ban a member, is done arbitrarily with ZERO effort and discussion, or an agonizing comparison between their posts and their guidelines.

The latest Boston Bombing has indeed sent us into a national psychological tizzy! The long term goal however, outweighs the immediate blame game; in that the obvious physics of 9/11 that blow holes in the official story are(as we all know), still a truth many Americans know, but are afraid to call the greatest tyrannical blow upon a free people in all of human history publicly, at work, church, or family gatherings. And I think this forum carries this contentious MSM-scorned torch remarkably well to date; despite the national reputation "truthers" have as a collective!

I am here for the long haul; no matter how many times I want to tell those who downvote me(as though they represent the whole of the DP) to go suck an egg and wallow in their self-deception and hatred of the Bible known inside and out by our framers and founders like John Locke and Blackstone; I too have to be considerate and REASONABLE and admit we all have our diverse backgrounds and individual experiences that we bring to this noble battle to replace politicians with Statesmen at ALL costs!(c'mon...the "man in the arena" speech!)

Ron Paul's endorsement of Mark Sanford gave me hope again, that the GOAL is the same; and although I present myself as one resident Bible-thumper who presumably would be painted as one who could NEVER, should NEVER accept or allow that man to serve in representative government again, I see, and am encouraged to heed Ron Paul's wisdom; "he is the BEST candidate in the race", and he can be trusted to cast the right votes if elected to a "second chance".

I think we should all check our emotions at the keyboard, and make an effort to tone it down if we know ahead of time our unique individual perspective/theory might be received as fringe or from an extreme minority opinion of disgust for government(that necessary evil).

For those overly-frustrated, by all means, do your own thing separate from the DP if you think you can do it better than those who finance this awesome sounding board and stream valve for Liberty!

Those who stay, I don't think we've lost our way in blind allegiance to the "ego" of the "management" whom some are convinced have made a transition in reaction to some success, whereby they're in it for the love of money now!  Heck, they may be; good for them if they're doing what they love, and don't consider it "work"...welcome to free market capitalism 101.

Let's not pile on the mods, or the owner, everytime they make a disciplinary management move. Who's to say any one of us can never be vulnerable to the same "pull", common to man; to taste success as your dream takes off, and then become guarded in protecting your perceived reputation?

Most of us will "fight to the death" for the restoration of this Republic, but as Ron Paul said; "you can't turn an aircraft carrier around on a dime". It's gonna be a long battle, gang; so get some thick skin to stave off criticism and correction from every side.

This website, to me, has a respectable reputation on a national stage BECAUSE it is predominantly a huge host to some EXCELLENT tempered opposition on it's face to the vast public; but, as many have commented since the bombing especially, we've been overrun with antagonistic, immature, anonymous blowhards with some ridiculous and outrageous wild-eyed conspiracy theories, and some of those posts I believe have prompted Michael Nystrom to lament publicly that if the balance tips too far towards the absurd and unhelpful, it won't be worth the effort to keep this site up and running through the 2014 midterm elections!

Don't be THAT guy!... that pushes Michael(or the website) over the edge!




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yeah...

kick out those crazies...
don't let them speak of things that might make us uncomfortable, vulnerable and inept to handle the emotions that well up within us...

keep being comfortable...that's what America is all about.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Daily Paul is also a business.

I would have appreciated some type of notice or warning before being summarily judged and finding out one day I'm banned from new postings.

The Daily Paul is private

The Daily Paul is private property and we are all guests. We can be kicked out at any time, for any reason.

Brother in Jesus, I take seriously His command to

be at peace with all men, both believers and skeptics alike. Though I see the point of this post, the points of DFarrell, TheGranger, zooamerica and others at least deserve a reasoned hearing. Much of what you say I agree with, I simply hope you soon see the value of graciously saying it.

For a good example:

www.dailypaul.com/blogs/nelson-hultberg

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

consider well, though...

...there is a time for bold and direct speech...the anti-Creator rhetoric and consequential behaviors plead for God to allow/use radical Islam to attack us beyond return...

I could restrain myself from biting back with strong words, of which one day soon I will abruptly with the same despair Michael Nystrom has in that this site has been overrun with all variety of ignorance and immaturity clothed in a "don't tread on me" attitude from a position of pure flesh-serving self-interest under zero authority other than their own moral relativism.

To your point about answering with grace, I am convinced this is not the first time some of these guys have had a go-around with a "born again"...they hope to hone their rhetorical skills just like the next guy; but in the end "their side" has recommended that "we" should no longer debate creationists because it only pads their resume!

When truth reigns, there will be peace; in the meantime, all the attempts to shelve this discussion, or confine it to(as the Apostle Paul said) "... with enticing words of man's wisdom..." doesn't jive in my book since America has been thrust headlong into destruction without remedy primarily "... by [far too many] good words and fair speeches [that serve only to] to deceive hearts of the simple."

I quickly think of the Baptist leaders who have now abandoned their young Earth worldview based on the authority of the scriptures, which should govern their witness of THE faith once delivered to the saints(Mike Huckabee and Robert Jeffress); all because Bill O'Reilly and FoxNews pseudo-Christians draw a bigger audience if you want to sell a book!

Many understand EXACTLY what I'm saying, and some applaud it, and others disdain it...thus, we've arrived at a great time of choosing; the way of God, the Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence, or, the way of sinful man whose human heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked!

I appreciate all admonishments, but the scriptures I've learned well up from deep inside me; and given that Obama just invoked a blessing upon the most heinous and debauched leaders of Planned Parenthood on Friday; let it be known all that innocent blood has a voices and will be avenged upon those who cannot prioritize where and why we must go to Him if we want Liberty; and we do this with bent knees with broken hearts because He has the power to cast both body and soul into hell for eternity.(the self-deceived Christian, right along side the Muslim terrorist and the passive tolerant libertarian who rejects the Gospel)

It's that late in the game...

Also keep in mind that many

Also keep in mind that many of these posts could be made by trolls whose only goal is to discredit the daily paul website and the liberty movement in general. I would not be surprised if rachel maddow or one of the msnbc staff is one of the people making some of these posts so that they can use them to discredit us.

What A Dick

you are. Maybe the mods should ban radical religious nuts that think they are better and more enlightened than the rest of us too.

skippy

Target

Success brings its own new share of problems.

Since DP is now on the radar, there are now subversive groups of individuals who coordinate outside of this community to infiltrate and disrupt this community.

Some groups are here recruiting for THEIR cause, which is not compatible with liberty.

In short, we are plagued by TROLLS of one stripe or another who previously were not here to plague us. This can only be because the site has become a victim of its own success. Active moderation at this point in time is the only thing that will prevent the site from failing utterly to meet its original founding vision: Peace. Gold. Love.

When posting here, ask yourself whether your post furthers peace, love, sound money, and human brotherhood... or whether you have a different goal in mind. If you have a different goal in mind, you are in the wrong place.

Moderation

The moderation is making the DP much better. With initial success come the trolls and thus the need to moderate if the site is going to continue to be a viable liberty community.

I respect Michael's private property and I am honored by the privilege of being able to comment here on his site.

Freedom of Speech and all that first amendment stuff is between the individual and the government. It has no bearing on voluntary private contracts. If you don't like it here, you can leave. If Michael doesn't want you here, he can ban you. Case closed.

A lot of times

I don't agree with you PUG. Nevertheless some of your posts are quite good.

I don't downvote often, and I won't downvote your post, but you are pretty abrasive at times.

I tolerate your viewpoint and learn what I can, I have actually learned a bit from you which I appreciate.

But tolerance is a good thing to have and we should always show respect.

I understand your "collectivist" argument, however, I think as a movement, not only should we think for ourselves, we should find a common ground and prop each-other up. No need for division or to cause people on the fence to jump ship and go Neo-Con or Liberal.

If you took a less hard nosed approach I think you might attract more people to the cause of liberty.

Everyone I disagree with on certain issues I also agree with on others. Life is not black and white. That's splitting hairs and is dangerous.

Remember the golden rule and be respectful and treat others well. I think it will help serve you.

I am probably a collectivist in your eyes. You are another human in mine with the right to your opinion.

Best of luck, but truly I think if you are more tolerant you can help the movement. You got me started on reading a lot of stuff which I find fascinating. Tolerance and love trumps all.

Much love...

that was a pretty awesome and thoughtful post...

...I can only say, regarding my abrasiveness(which is deliberate quite often); it's pretty late in the game for America.

As far as the collective thing, you get it; if a FoxNewsChannel anchor at random stuck a microphone in any one of our faces at some rally and asked one of their leading/slanted questions, we'd say "I'm not part of the Tea Party, I'm in the Liberty Movement!"

When I wasn't even a neo-con, I just listened to Rush Limbaugh because he was a trend(like Starbucks!); he was the one who said "go grab a textbook from 100.years ago and see what kids had to learn to get out of 8th grade"...that was 20 years ago!!!

Now that I've been on a journey that had got me through the K-street Christian Conservative, making merchandise out of people sucking money from the sincere and unsuspecting who have been consistently told their children "lose the culture war, abandon our founding morals as an anchor, lose the nation"; I get a bit incensed and impatient with those who want to have a mile wide, inch deep Liberty movement from a progressive mindset, either because one professing Christian committed some heinous act of hypocrisy, or, they're just unchurched themselves.

I suppose I have my role; I contribute what knowledge and inferences I have made, and you at least view it and appreciate it. I'm not about elevating myself; all I can say is, if I die tomorrow(I've already had cancer once), at least I said something even if my delivery was terse and seemingly insensitive.

It's grow up time, these tyrants are not going to back off; and I sense we are being provoked at every turn to fire the first shot; many people don't recognize how deep and deceptive and knowledgeable of the same scriptures these guys on top are!

I write as I'm moved to write...

"lose the culture war,

"lose the culture war, abandon our founding morals as an anchor, lose the nation"

There you go...

I would substitute morals/fathers in place.

Again, 90% of the time I do disagree with you, but the few times I do agree, I do learn something very valuable. And I do appreciate it.

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so sayeth the visitor to the owner

i support you as long as it doesn't offend me
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

"I don't want to be your dictator"

A collective is "All for one and one for all"

That's not what this is. This is "each man for himself".

Each person has come here for themselves, not for a collective.

This is why you are having such a hard time pinning the lable "co;;evtive" on DP, and then, as collectives do, think they seek a dictator (possibly you, just look at your ideas..)

My experiemce in the GOP, it takes all kinds and the GOP has all kinds.. so I wouldn't and don't bother with what people post, or the mods unpost and think it reflects on me. What reflects on me on DP are my own posts, no one elses.

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And I support your right to...

be a christian zealot!

I also support my right to claim you are, usually, over the top.

Hence, zealot.

I am a Christian but I won't have you, or anybody else, "preaching" to me. You are a human being just as I am. I don't get on a pedestal/soapbox like you do. I give my opinion and people can like it, or not.

I can live with that and sometimes may even change my mind.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

got some "lone ranger" Christianity going there, eh?

These verses mean anything to you?

Romans 10:14 "... and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

2 Timothy 4:3 For time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

As long as your comparing yourself to the scriptures, and not comparing yourself by other Christians(you're better than me because you only give your opinion rather than tack on logical inferences, which really sounds like one Christian telling another Christian to shut up); then you can be confident you're a born-again, blood washed saint of the living God all the day long.

Jesus said " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations ", Paul said "preach the word"...the Christian zealot charge is a compliment...you sound like one of those Christians who would say "it's not Christian, it's not loving to preach fire and brimstone to the habitual sinner, the rebellious homosexual, or the person lauding the pleasant words of a modern day false teacher".

Somebody better get on a soapbox, American Christianity is for the most part Laodicean and nauseating to the Lord Jesus Christ.

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How about Matthew 6:6, brother?

Does that ring any bells for you?

King James (William Shakespeare version)
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

New International Version (NIV)
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

I don't need "organized" men like you corrupting my faith.

And the reason, "American Christianity is for the most part Laodicean and nauseating to the Lord Jesus Christ" as you say, is because of men just like you!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

that's a matter of HOW to pray...

...a guideline...

Please consider context if you want to tear me down in front of the DP onlookers(the next verse is just the tip of the iceberg surrounding how I got in hot water with the Christians in the Constitution Party, Catholics don't like that condemnation): anyway, tell me how you view Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

I don't know why you have me pegged as an "organized religion" guy....I'm the guy who labored over making 8 or 9 YouTube videos out of this great sermon; this segment addresses some "organized religion" concerns, which I think we may share...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEpF_vD-_o0

You're one the biggest

Self-righteous Christian assholes on the DP. I just want to say that if your agenda is to convert people to your faith, you're doing it wrong because you give Christians a bad name.

agenda? I'm not here solely to evangelize...but you...

What's your agenda, save people from the likes of me, and turn them on to your truth?... You stand on the outside, call me a cuss name, and instruct me on HOW to even hope to convert people here, or anywhere? That same tactic hasn't worked to well for 9/11 truthers over 11 years later either, has it?

Your slam reads like a tween on a YouTube comment page. You should call me a theocratic tyrant in the making, or a neo-con in your next response.

Really?

I could count on both my hands the times I've used a derogatory term to describe members on the DP, but I can't comprehend the number of instances that you've preached to someone who didn't ask for it or judged someone who didn't deserve it.

My agenda is to spread liberty and that doesn't include my personal beliefs or prejudices.

Before you say something like, "It's clear you're prejudiced against Christians!" - I'm not.

I'm prejudiced against prejudice.
I'm biased against bias.
I'm intolerant of intolerance.

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And for someone who says they aren't here to evangelize, you sure do a lot of it.

that's because the Liberty we all seek...

...is God-given...there's no ignoring our founding, nor results....the progressive Godless libertarianism is a DEAD END this late in the game.

You don't have to be converted, that's your choice....but our leaders better govern in the fear of God, and the people had better obey the good laws [ http://postimg.org/image/5wikrf54z/ ]; especially natural ones that transcend man's sinful desires, like no state-sanction, state-blessed, state-funded, state-defended abortion and homosexuality and gender confusion and all the rest where we have marred His image, His laws, His justice, and His Word...like the tax supported religion of evolution!

Currently, America is under severe judgment for flaunting the two biggest abominations right in front of the Creator's face; and we give a little sissy downvotes to those who oppose it vehemently, hah! I'm not the author of the Divine Law from where the wrath of Almighty God resides!

There will be NO liberty in America without FIRST courting the Creator's favor!

I will preach it, as loud as necessary; and you'll just have to silence me if you don't like it....because the correlation between our decline and our open disobedience and dismissive mocking TRUE Christianity and the Bible is the REAL inconvenient truth destroying this nation.

You're going to have to be more than tolerant, you're going to have to demand that ONLY learned Christians like me are catapulted into representative government at all levels if you want tyranny beaten back and every last Executive Order revoked!!!

That's American LIBERTY, and I'll die on that hill!

"Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.” Robert Winthrop

Our founders repelled the tyranny by force, we are approaching that point again many here would agree; but what's different this time around...a righteous God will NOT aid a cause HOSTILE to Him!!! I won't strive with that willfully ignorant lot, because they don't "like the messenger"; this nation is condemned, and without excuse...

http://postimg.org/image/ge346oipv/

Face it, many in here are flat out HOSTILE to my belief system; never mind all your flowery language and pseudo-wisdom of men...there is a STANDARD...and no patriot labors to hewn down the indispensable pillars of religion and morality, just because it's 2013, and this whole generation has been taught with Federal Reserve Notes that God is dead, and they're descendents of apes doesn't make it true...it's blissful ignorance, and it's codified by abject intellectual laziness, spiritual denial, reprobate cultural norms, and a PROUD outright public disdain for the laws of Nature and of Nature's God.

...and for the record...ridicule is not often the test of truth...I've weathered enough of that since I've entered this arena as well...

Michael Nystrom might not appreciate my rigid perspective either, but he and I might agree...it's time to fight this battle for our Republic on a more public front, where people can't hide behind a keyboard and a screen name...

I think it's hilarious you should say that.

Why exactly, in your opinion, do you feel that liberty needs Christianity to survive? Because by my standards you can't force any religion, opinion, lifestyle, etc. in a free society, otherwise it's not a free society.

So, please explain how you can claim that your ideal society would be "free" and also forced to follow a religion? I can't help but feel that you'd feel completely different if that particular religion happened to be Buddhism or Islam as opposed to Christianity, which makes you extremely hypocritical.

Honestly, I'm more worried for your path to Heaven than mine. I can't help but feel that God would think you were missing the point of being a good Christian by attempting to inform everyone you disagree with how sinful their behavior is. You remind me very much of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Please, PUG, repent before God and have your ugly, judgeful sins wiped away before it's too late for you.

perhaps if you had a humble bone in your body...

...you wouldn't stand on the outside of Christianity and play comparative religion semantics with me...
Please, use the scriptures to condemn me from now on; not the ecumenical consensus...

I'm really not feeling in danger of hell fire right now for taking the likes of you on....I'd gladly prefer any Muslim physician I've served in the burn unit at the University of Michigan hospital in Ann Arbor for representative, than any of the hypocritical professed Christian congressmen who waged war on Dr. Paul and his ilk!

Be careful hurling that word "force" at me; I've been labeled a "theocrat" since I became politically active. Fact is ALL LAWS legislate morality, sodomy laws or homosexual marriage; it's a reflection of our national morality, and tempting the Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence even further this many years after 9/11 is beyond stupid!

God is holy, sin is repulsive to Him, and it won't be allowed in His heaven. He doesn't have to take us right where we're at, we have to go to Him on His terms...lose the Westboro slander too, that's another non-starter; you and your mocking crowd have an infinite number of professing Christians who behaved like hypocrites or publicly blasphemed the faith and gave guys like you justification to dismiss it out of hand, or, craft your own loose interpretation of the scriptures that I should abide by if I expect to pass your litmus test of what a Christian does, says, supports, and keeps his trap shut about!

For the sake of putting Statesmen in office, William Penn's recommendation is more than enough; "Wherefore governments rather depend upon men than men upon governments. Let men be good, and the government cannot be bad; if it be ill, they will cure it. But if men be bad, let the government be never so good, they will endeavour to warp and spoil to their turn."; and for this nation, with this rich and unavoidable Christian history, I'm not likely to quit Bible-thumping from this worldview, even if guys like you welcome my conviction in a human rights tribunal because I say Christ is Lord, not Caesar is Lord.

Good men reverence THE Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence, they don't fall for the contemporary compromises and intellectual ruse of gentle men with their kind swelling words about tolerance for that which God hates...yeah, I said that; God hates certain things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE13LG2T_J4

Well...

there's a difference between:

1) being run off for speaking truth to power

and

2) run off for being a sociopathic jerk with delusions of grandeur who yells in people's faces constantly

Just sayin'... :)

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

weebles.

right?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Exactly...

:)

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

wobble

but they dont fal down!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Dat's me!

:D

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

I like it!

We should all think of ourselves so!