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What To Do When Daily Paul Is Gone

I take Nystrom at his word. DP is nearing its end and he will pursue other projects. Godspeed to him. He has surely reached more people than I ever will. Those of you with real practical goals, including Michael, can consider the following.


1. politician vetting

We should realize that our movement and community will become the most coveted source of donations and fundraising for up and coming politicians.

We will be viewed as cash cows, suckers and PREY by thousands of political climbers looking to appropriate the 'Ron Paul' name brand and wield Paulian rhetoric as a path to power.

We need a serious effort to identify and vet genuine worthy candidates from opportunists and hucksters, if we are to prevent the complete coopting and dilution of the message, a la the Tea Party 2008-2012.

This doesn't mean we are 100% purists, we do have to accept some degree of self-interest and maneuvering on the part of all politicians, but some degree of vetting is absolutely necessary to maintain the ideological focus of our ideas and the integrity of the Paul brand.

2. home school curriculum

publishing / private teachers and tutors / lecturing

We can take a page from the Christian movement in America to build alternative educational bodies and infrastructure, including publishing, textbooks, guidelines for homeschoolers, etc. Parents cannot be expected to do this all on their own. Many won't even attempt it if there is no credible support structure to turn to.

3. raising/grooming political candidates

retreats / camps / training

4. to expand on 2 & 3 -- political 'bootcamps,' youth summer camp, setting up simple primary school workshops to assist the homeschooling movement, forming homeschooling collectives with shared responsibility between parents, all on the way toward building an alternative educational establishment.

5. accreditation institutions, outside of official college/university system

The accreditation will indicate to us that the school and the student has gone through an educational process deemed proper according to the tenets of our ideological community.

6. "mutual aid" societies/fraternities

Helping each other, working together, knowing who we are, building a common sense of identity outside of, underneath and above present institutions.

7. commercial collectives

Same as 6 but on a commercial level. This can incorporate elements of private currency, like barter organizations, or local scrip issuers, but presumably based around some hard currency component.

8. legal defense funds and legal aide to help us navigate the legal hurdles and pitfalls in creating and implementing these ideas and bodies

9. cultural, non documentary media

10. lobbying, especially local educational lobbying organizations to influence choice of texts and curriculum, perhaps even national lobbying organizations.

We have to play the game as it is actually played, not as we wish it would be played.

The Constitution may be our rallying cry, the bill of rights our '95 theses' nailed to the establishments door, but -- we need to recognize the small 'c' constitution of power as it actually exists, and engage in it according to its rules and realities.

11. scholarships.

12. fundraising for all projects, especially single purpose projects like production of media

We should pioneer the use of chip-in style fundraising to organize goal based projects. We can contract writers, producers, managers and other non-political talent to carry out projects on a one-time basis to produce a project embraced by the grassroots.

The whole scope of our activity should be aimed at creating an alternative society and set of institutions under the radar and off the grid of our official, corrupt and sclerotic institutions.

Something living, vibrant and lasting beyond single election cycles. Something to catalyze our energies, focus our efforts, and employ our time and talent in a way that accumulates rather than squanders them.

This means building social capital, including institutional and economic capital, and having structures in place to subsume the roles of the state structures we hope to see disappear.

This isn't the job or work of the campaign -- the campaign will be over one way or another by the end of 2012.

This is your work and my work for the next 5 to 10 years and beyond, whether we succeed on the the political level or not. The future doesn't pause because we win or fail to win an election.

Whatever is coming, we need to be there for each other in more than mere words and sentiment

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I would honestly cry and be heartbroken.

The amount of good this community has done for the country both philosophically and in action deserves more credit than it will ever be accredited for.

Three things just off the top of my head.

1. Starting the Tea Party on Dec. 16th 2007
2. Winning the 'Audit the Fed' Bill in the House
3. Helping elect Rand Paul to the Senate

Losing the DailyPaul would be a strike to everything we have worked for. This community is fkn awesome because we have proven we make a difference for the better.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Run For Congress


...Closing the DP???

Closing the DP???

That is probably the worst idea . (period)

pass it on...

The site is only becoming more crucial to the liberty movement as time goes on.

If the reason for shutting the site down is personal, then pass it on to someone else. Shutting it down is not fair to the community and to the Liberty movement at Large.

Sorry Michael, but shutting the site down is not the answer... if you are tired of dealing with the stress that comes with it --- pass it on... There are many good people within the liberty movement that would love to keep this wonderful cyber-space going.

Seriously man if its that bad Auction IT and sell it to the individual that you find will best to carry on the torch.

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

Losing the DP would be a horrible tragedy! How about

some alternatives, i.e., sell it, turn oversight over to another like minded individual or party. Any alternative is better than shutting it down. Perhaps we could purchase it or lease it and have a management company manage the sight to Michaels standards.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

How about a Daily Amash?

Just a suggestion ;)

Thomas R. Eddlem

Future of DP

Why not change focus from Ron to Rand?

If anything it will be a platform for his voters to gather and writers can both support and bash his views if they feel like it.
Perhaps even influence him.

Ultimately it would again serve as a good news site for presidential elections, god knows he will run at least once.

long time no see man

long time no see man

Thank you, BILL3, for this post.

I just dropped it into MS Word and turned it into a checklist!

; )

What would the Founders do?

that's the spirit

that's the spirit

I learn when I come here--

I don't have MSM (as everyone knows by now--*wink*)--

and I appreciate Michael and all of the others on here who have worked so hard to give liberty lovers and activists of all kinds a community--

but why does it all have to be so 'black and white'--

so 'do or die'?

I know there is evil in the world, and there is good; I believe good will ultimately triumph, but as the evil goes down it will lash out and wound a lot of people--

but I believe good will conquer; has already conquered; I believe knowledge is power, and I want knowledge.

Sometimes my brain works better than at other times; I am feeling the challenges of age and illness--


I am as prepared as I know how to be, and I don't really want to have a bunker mentality either; I want to find good people and find good things--

and it's gardening season in the north; that is reason enough to want to be alive--

gardening is a powerful tool for liberty, *I* believe.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Yeah, good idea, let's reform

Yeah, good idea, let's reform the mafia the same way.
I'd be more on your side if the people of Boston would have told the tyrants to go screw themselves. The truth is the people in this country are so indoctrinated to obey authority that most would turn against those who stand up for freedom.
I would recommend Harry Browne's book "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World", you will waste your life if you try to reform the current system, he proved it by running for Libertarian presidential candidate.
Here's your fight,
1. Preschool to 12th grade govt indoctrination systems, children are mostly raised by the govt and then parents accept the idea that the children should be forced to attend.
2. Mainstream news, mostly carrying water for the govt.
These two alone are responsible for 90% of the statism we are surrounded by today, good luck changing it.

Some Ideas for the General Population

1. Come out of the basement

2. Enroll in band camp

3. Get jobs

4. Stop watching AJ

5. Cease all mental masturbation over crisis actors

6. Eat your vegetables

7. Get laid

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

way to go, that's so helpful

you forgot,

remove tin foil hat

move out of your parents house

and of course the customary world of war craft mention.

Is Michael afraid of being targeted by the FBI?

Just wondering, because since he posted his worries about the Boston bombing, and its proximity to him, if I got that right, well, is he worried being the "leader" of this website that he could be targeted ultimately by the FBI?

I don't think they would do that, but I think after what's happened to the Tsarnaev brothers being framed, I think we all realize once targeted, it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to get free then.

I am realizing we are in the escalated stages of the Police State, and still too many Americans are completely in the dark.

I'm taking it step by step

Let's get them out of the basement first. THEN we can work on the tin foil hat and the parents' house. What is world of war craft/ that must be a new breakfast cereal. Damn kids these days...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I will explain sarcasm another time

I am not sure how you think this is a productive contribution. While many of us share different views here, we still care about one another. At the very least I think most try to be decent to each other. You should too.

I don't respect the lunatic fringe

that demeans the liberty movement. Get a shrink, a job, or a pill, but leave us alone. Fake blood, crisis actors and Godzilla are gonna come git ya if you don't.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

liberty minded folks

...tend to be more tolerant then you are being. Your attacks seem out of place in this community. Clearly others agree there are better ways than your current method of expressing yourself. So maybe you can simply agree to be a little less obnoxious. Thanks.

It's already gone.


I love this site! It is the first place we go for news, views

and just plain fun. Hopefully we can come aboard and help you keep the site up. We are strapped financially right now, but may be able to help in other ways.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

DP isn't going away. It just

DP isn't going away. It just appears to be restructuring. Websites can run with low #'s and low infrastructure. Volunteers will help to moderate. Can all be done for low dollar.

Sure It's A Pain For Michael

but wouldn't HE miss The Daily Paul? Bet so.


The DailyPaul

I don't think the Ron Paul movement would have moved much if not for this site and its creator. There is no doubt we all OWE a huge debt of gratitude to the man who created a home for the cause of liberty. This site has and continues to be an oasis for many a thirsty soul searching for the truth.

That being said...don't you go anywhere DP, your job is not done, your brand too strong and with a looming bid from another Paul on the horizon you may have your most challenging and rewarding task ahead, serving as the conscious of an electable Paul.

DP provides a forum to brainstorm what is happening

in the world. Many of us meet here because we are "awake" and realize that governments have been taken over by a small group of UN-evolved people stuck at the level of ego and greed for power and wealth, who would like to make this world their global communist empire.

We meet here, but as individuals we are INFORMED ISLANDS in the world that are capable of helping those around us to see truth in what is happening. We are all Ron Paul carrying his message of freedom forward to those around us, and we will be here for those around us when the banker empire falls.

I thank you, Michael, for providing this platform where so many like minded have gathered to share ideas. YOU have made a big difference in this world! Were it not for Ron Paul and DP I would not have learned so much about what is really happening in the world. I will continue speaking truth to anyone who will listen, as Ron Paul still does. Whatever your choice, Michael, good luck and God speed on your journey, and the same to those who have gathered here at DP.

Something living, vibrant and lasting beyond single election cyc

Like a garden?
I agree, I get the feeling Nystrom has about had all he can take. I expected the DP to end in 2008, after the election, so it has been a long "grace period."
I see it a little differently, though. Once this community is disbanded, most of us will fade to black. I see no hope in politics - you say "vet politicians" but people who are really awesome before they get elected turn into back stabbing power grabbers the INSTANT they win an election. It is not the way the GOP treated me that leads me to give up on politics, it is the way other Ron Paul supporters behaved after I helped get them elected. Most of them would NEVER show up at a protest or rally now, it would hurt their chances of re-election...
This site, to my way of thinking, is the last link between the truthers and politics. Once it is gone, there will be no place where people who seek the truth can ask whatever questions come to mind. The atmosphere here is already shifting on that. When there is no place for me to ask the hard questions of people who are willing to seek the answers, why would I bother to ask them? They will still be in MY head, but it does not really improve my life personally to ask them out loud.
I'll hunker down in my little world and wait for the day they come for me, no longer burdened with the delusion that anyone will do anything to protect me or defend me, and there will be no one to rescue me once I am taken into custody. It is sad, I really wanted to help expose the tyranny, help people learn how to resist in their day to day life, help bring about a peaceful r3VOLution, but... Reality is.
Nystrom, thank you for this little haven, it was lovely while it lasted. I wish you and yours only the very best in life.
Fellow DPers, you are the Illiberati. It has been a pleasure interacting with you, even the trolls helped me grow. I shall miss you all and this site when you are gone.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:

"we must cultivate our garden"


You never cease to amaze me

how much we think alike. I remember that misunderstanding that we had a long time ago and puzzled that we had.

Your post has brought out every emotion in me; happy, sad, frustration, motivation, etc...

If they do have our cots reserved at the local fema, it will still be up to us be the voice of reason.


2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

You Always Nail It

fishy. Wish I had neighbors like you.


That's The Spunk

Carry on.

if the place does go away,

if the place does go away, ill take a moment from my life, and toast the dailypaul and all its given me

itll be a sad and happy rememberence

i'd invite any one and everyone to raise their glass, on that day, stand proud


May your spirit drive us on

The pheonix burns, only to be born again stronger