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UPDATE: Steel reinforced building collapses straight down at free-fall through path of most resistance!

No planes or missiles hit the building!
No fire!
PROOF Building 7 fell naturally!!!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-25/-suddenly-the-floor...

Update: Sometimes it takes absurdity to illustrate absurdity.
I'm sorry to have led you guys on, but I had to in order to make this point. Though not a joke, it does contain a bit of humor.
There is only one valid conclusion to be made by comparing this building with WTC7; gravity makes things fall to the ground. Period. That is the only valid conclusion. The same is true for each and every comparison which has been made for Building 7 and the Towers. There is NO comparison. They are all invalid.
As evidence, review some of the counter arguments made in the comments. Most, if not all of those same counter arguments have been presented over and over regarding the usual WTC7 comparisons, and are flat out rejected by the same people who are making those arguments now!
Aside from the humor, I hope this is cause for a bit of introspection. I don't expect to change the minds of those who adamantly adhere to the CD camp. They will down vote me and call me names. I do hope that those who may be on the fence will approach this topic with an open and critical mind. I am just one person. I have done extensive research apart from CD sites; raw data. I am convinced there was no controlled demolition. I used to believe in it. I was persuaded by the usual sources and videos. Once looking with an unbiased eye however, I gradually began to realize the 911Truth proponents omit volumes of data, and skew the facts in order to buttress their beliefs. The most significant omission is the damage to Building 7. The most significant skewing of fact is claiming it came straight down.
At this point in my journey, I find it absurd to think even a run-away cadre of treasonists within could possibly pull off demolition and think they could get away with it. Evidence could not be concealed from the thousands of first responders.



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Thermite for the Demolition!

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCP...

:)

Thank You Dr. Niels Harrit and the 24 other Bad-Ass Scientists who put their names and possibly their lives on the line for the Truth.

Steel reinforcement in a concrete structure.

The building shown probably had 3/8" rebar tied with #8 tie wire to form the reinforcement of the light weight concrete. You can bend 3/8" rebar with your hands. Try that bending trick with a boxed column made from WF12x109 steel beams. NO COMPARISON

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Math for the Win

well

I used to do demolitions in the Marine Corp and from my experience doing controlled demo in the military, WTC 7's collapse looks exactly like a planned building demolition and there are thousands of engineers and architects that would also refute your claim that building 7 fell "naturally".

Also the building reached complete free fall velocity, which should be impossible if the building fell "naturally" because the structural supports of the building would act as a force of resistance to the collapsing structure, preventing true free fall velocity from being achieved, this is simple physics. The only way you can possibly think WTC 7's collapse was "natural" is if you completely disregard the laws of physics and refute the validity of mathematics.

It did not fall staight to the ground

"gravity makes things fall to the ground. Period".
So why did the seismic monitors not record the impact of the collapse and where did the energy come from that pulverized all that concrete? Oh and how did all the nanothermite and evidence of residual Tritium come from? Any clue as to why all those cars had what looks like chemical damage and had their engine blocks melted?

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for -87

You're comparing.

A reinforced concrete building in Bangaledsesh with a steel framed building in New York City. Even the reinforced concrete building held up a good amount.

You didn't teach anything. Everyone is now dumber having read your post.

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito."

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In case you missed it...

Take note of the many answers, including your own, which refute the absurd claims I made in this post.
Logic has prevailed!
They are the very same arguments many of us make counter to your claims about WTC7. There has been not one comparison of other buildings which is valid. 7 and the Twin Towers were the only large span, tube type structures in existence, which had everything to do with why they failed after each of the three were hit with multi tons of mass.

Undo what Wilson did

You know what Judy Wood and

A&E for 9/11 Truth have in common?

Both think it's an inside job

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

1500 Architects & Engineers say it was controlled Demolition

Molten steel and evidence of thermite was found, shows this really stinks. This doesn't even take into account that the wreckage was carted off before anyone could look at it.

Also the Government was so consumed in the fact it was Bin Laden that did it, and no investigation was needed.

Someone is lying and we need to find out who!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS3OZtI7Go4

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

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You may want to check your sources

to find out who is lying. My research shows every bit of the debris was thoroughly examined by several teams of agencies and volunteers, both on site and at the landfills, and that none of the material was released for re-cycling until signed off by those teams.
There are tons of yt videos and photos of both the debris fields and the landfill operations.

Undo what Wilson did

Check this out

http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/group/911truth/forum/topi...

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

That is a flat out lie.

Have you actually read the afidavit that all those naive people signed?

Fire has never caused skyscapers to fall

into their own foot print ever! But on 9/11 we had 3, wow what are the chances of that as a natural occurrence?

http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/group/911truth/forum/topi...

I used to think 9/11 was a terrible accident, but there are too many coincidences. Someone is lying and it's time to find out who!

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

If you look at the

exposed structure on the right, it looks like there are 6" or maybe 8" horizontal beams poured into the structure supporting each floor. Would you expect a 6" or 8" depth horizontal concrete beam to support 6 to 10 feet of span with much of a load? Maybe, but it sure doesn't look like this building was overbuilt and comparing it to skyscrapers is more than a little bit of a stretch.
big -1 from me

Just curious what you think about

the 36 hour power down in the WTC the weekend before with over 200 "engineers in blue suits" all throughout the building?

Were these men not the mercenaries working on final preparations for CD?

The power down is the evidence that was needed to probe deeper (search warrants) into the security companies for a real investigation but everyone decided that it was Bin Laden lead terrorists without any real investigation and never pursued every relevant lead as done in a normal criminal investigation. Also, most of the steel was rushed out of the country to be smelted in China thus resulting in the destruction of evidence. This should be a huge red flag but most are not aware enough to understand what a real criminal investigation looks like.

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If there were structural evidence in the debris piles

of controlled demolition, you'd have a point. The problem, which everyone seems to avoid, is every bit of structural remains show the buildings broke apart at their connections. 60+ floors of core remained standing in both Towers after everything else collapsed. There were no reports of the smell of explosives, which is distinct and would be noticed by hundreds if not thousands of first responders. Structural members from the initiation zones show no cutting, but bending and twisting; some members bent into "S"shapes, and all members broken at their connectors.
Find some structural evidence. Saying it was all shipped out is a cop-out. Nothing was shipped for re-cycling until signed off by the many inspection teams, and there are hours upon hours of video of the site and the landfills.

Undo what Wilson did

So why didn't the Meridian Bank building fall when it burned?

Look it up.

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Noodle it out.

What are the design, structural, and damage differences between it and the Towers?

Undo what Wilson did

these are YOUR words.

"The problem, which everyone seems to avoid, is every bit of structural remains show the buildings broke apart at their connections."

I am NOT avoiding this subject. what do YOU know about them?

the connections. it has to do with the connections. again, your point NOT mine.

I have a basic, rudimentary understanding of how they are designed,
you don't.
prove me wrong.

so, uh. what do you know about the structural connections?

is your supposition that they are fixed and rigid?

c'mon big boy, step up to the plate.

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Why don't YOU step up and show us some structural

evidence of CD. Anyone who claims CD and follows logical investigative progression would have produced it a long time ago.

Undo what Wilson did

Dude, I was talking about the connections.

they are designed to sway. do I really need to go all Sun Tzu or Zen on you?

There was molten iron sphere

There was molten iron sphere in the dust and there was plenty of photos of melting steel days after the collapse. There's your evidence of CD.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.

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STRUCTURAL evidence.

It doesn't matter how much ancillary evidence you produce, if it's not shown in the structural members, it didn't happen.
Ps; Iron micro spheres are not at all conclusive of anything. Rust, for example, reverts to iron at it's boiling point, much lower than that of steel, and the Towers had extensive rust.
And there is no evidence or photos of any melting steel. If you are referring to the falling melted material from the South Tower, close inspection reveals it turns silver grey on the way down. Steel does not turn that color when cooling, and it is too dense to cool that quickly. Most likely it was aluminum. It came from the area where most of the plane ended up and where the hottest fires were.

Undo what Wilson did

Whadda protuberance...

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Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

I really don't think fireant

I really don't think fireant really believes what he is trying to tell us. I believe he is just trying to rile us up for his own enjoyment. I won't even bother to try to reason with him, it won't get any of us anywhere.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.

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If you saw your friends heading for cliff, would you not try to

warn them?
You are of course entitled to think as you wish, but you are incorrect on this count. Do you honestly think I am "entertained" by all the down votes, name calling, and accusations of traitor, or troll? It's not fun. I explained myself in the update above. This is serious business, and it is vital we get it right. I most certainly suspect something is being covered up, but I no longer believe it to be controlled demolition. I believe CD is actually a canard, designed to prevent us from finding the truth.

Undo what Wilson did

There is simply no way that a

There is simply no way that a steel structure can come down anywhere near that fast on it's own, even while on fire, certainly not at freefall and on a path of most resistance no less. If you cannot see that there is something wrong here, then there is no point in trying to convince you otherwise.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.

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"A steel structure"

It appears by that term you assume all steel structures are the same. If you understood the design of the Towers and what fell down through them, you would not make such a generic comparison. Cutting to the chase, the only resistance to hundreds of tons of steel crashing through the Towers was 5'8" bolts holding the floor joists to the spandrels. There was no structure in the way other than lightweight 4" concrete floor, which was easily smashed and ground up by the churning steel from above. Note over 60 floors of core structure remained standing in both Towers after everything else collapse. Collapse actually took the path of least resistance.

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