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Where is a good Libertarian haven?

I'm 21 years old and own my own computer business in Tennessee. I started it from the ground up, have three employees and have recently toyed with ideas of selling my business and moving. I would likely ask for $100,000 and allow someone to negotiate with me in order to sell it.

My question is: Where is the best "libertarian" society on earth? Things I would factor in my decision would be: Taxes, Foreign Policy, Monetary Policy (Banking, etc), Gun Rights, Drug policies / laws, etc.

I am starting to give up hope on the US changing anytime soon, especially Tennessee. I am not opposed to moving out of the country or staying in the country and am not opposed to learning a new language. Where would you move if you could take your wealth with you? Again, I have not made any final decisions and am merely toying with ideas.

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Ha... I know you are likely

Ha... I know you are likely being a troll, however I'll address it regardless.

My definition of libertarianism does involve a little government. It does need to exist to protect property rights, individual liberties, and provide for national defense. This means we do need a small court system, small police force, and small militia or military. Unfortunately, these three things have been completely misconstrued in American politics.

I do not wish to trade my liberty for security, however I do think one can have both while "maintaining" a militia or military, for example as the founders of the constitution envisioned. Specifically, I would also like to steer clear of any region (not limited to country) that has U.S. involvement via military and/or drones.

I don't think there is a

I don't think there is a single developed country that doesn't have US involvement via military and/or drones.

You say you don't want to trade liberty for security, but that isn't that what goverment is doing?

On a more serious note, Singapore and Hong Kong might be nice places to life. Some parts of life are heavily controlled by government, but relatively low taxes and a lot of freedom in business matters. Singapore has both the biggest and smallest government, as the government taxes at a low rate and will rarely interfere in your life. But commit a crime, and the super-tough justice system will show you no mercy.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I get frustrated in Alabama, too.

I would imagine that Tennessee is pretty much the same... completely controlled by neocons. If I was younger and single I'd probably be looking for somewhere to go, too.

Try looking into the free state project... if you don't mind lots of snow.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Haha the snow aspect is one

Haha the snow aspect is one of the bigger cons for my personal taste. TN is certainly in the same boat as we are both in the "bible belt" controlled by neocons. It is saddening to me because I think there are several good aspects to christianity but they are drowned out by the clowns locally who want to kill anyone who is islamic. For example, in my hometown where I reside we have a Mosque that recently opened. The local government managed to make them wait years (which eventually made it to national news). Local fools spouted they "are a terror training camp", meanwhile at a local megachurch the county sheriffs office sponsored "anti-terrorist training".

I'm hoping to find a free libertarian country/state that is warm. The beach would be a plus as I've never lived near an ocean before. I agree with you, I'm young and single and feel if I ever want to move now is the time of my life to do it.

This makes me think:

I am about to start looking at places in TN.
Limited to the north east corner. I have been studying and watching for a long while and this seems like a good place. I have not seen anything else that has had such a strong pull on me. There isn't much left of this country that hasn't been dragged through the mud and I can't stand the cold or I would look at Montana.
MD sucks lemons.

I love my country
I am appalled by my government

Economically speaking: TN is

Economically speaking: TN is a great place to live. We have some of the lower taxes in the country, with no income tax as well. In many areas we have a great unemployment rate in comparison to the rest of the country. I can easily say if I lived in 70-75% of the rest of the country I likely would not be able to have done as well with my business as I have.

Personal Liberty Speaking: We have some of the most obscene drug laws in the country. We also have obscene alcohol laws, now have statewide traffic camera laws and many counties have speed cameras as well. Simply put, TN is a badge for the police state. I used to do phone work with jails early in my business and have had the "pleasure" of visiting fifteen different counties jails for the work I did. I personally know people who have served more time in the legal system due to drug laws than people who were serial child molestors.

At the high school I graduated from, we had a teacher convicted of having sexual relations with over two dozen minors and he got 2-3 years in a special jail and eight years probation. (With other specific punishments such as never being allowed to teach again, etc). On the flip-side someone who graduated from my high school was arrested because their room-mate was selling drugs and they had one marijuana plant and they are in the system for ten years for a first-time offense.

New Hampshire

Please google the Free State Project.

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I've done a fair amount of

I've done a fair amount of research into the Free State Project. However, a big con is that it is still in the United States. Unfortunately with the system we now have in the USA, we could have a state with the most minimal government possible and the federal government would still tax them more than ever and invade their freedoms.

For example, my taxes federally could still approach ~40% or even more of my overall income when working for myself. It would still be a federal crime to consume Marijuana, when it is my body or choosing to do so with. The feds could enact another assault weapons ban and there is little the states could do to stop them. More importantly, the dollar and the federal reserve would still be their king and control their overall currency and monetary policy. I understand the principles of state nullification and the constitution, but the pessimist side of me thinks our country is too far gone and will further invade our liberties and freedoms.

Specifically, I also think the state freedom index is a bit biased. Take Tennessee for example, we are supposed to be in the top five most free states in the country according to the same poll that ranks NH at the top. Other polls even rank TN above NH in freedom. Many aspects of this can be true, such as the income tax, voting rights, etc. However, many aspects of this are completely susceptible to opinion. TN for instance has some of the harshest and arcane drug laws in the country. Our political system is over-run with "good ol boys" politics. Both of our senatorial representatives have supported obamacare, internet sales taxes, mostly supported gun control, drone strikes, wars, etc.

Specifically to NH, I'd really like to find a place not quite as cold. I was born in TN and consider myself southern and my southern blood is too thin for that weather, lol. Simply visiting my relatives in Upstate NY in the wintertime freezes my bones.