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To Michael - on closing down the DP


Words cannot express how much this site means to me and im sure to many others here as well. With 2016 coming up it will once again be a metropolitan and buzzing with posts all about the election cycle. With this site in place it will help the liberty candidate (probably Rand) significantly to help secure the nomination since we will have a common ground to organize.

With that said, I completely think that you need to move on and do something else since you have reached the end of your rope, however I think very strongly that its critical to keep this site up and running and that its time to pass this site onto someone else who can run it without you having to lift a finger.

The cost of not having this site in place in 2016 may be dire to our chances in the election...

Its fair to you because you can finally move on with your life and its fair to all of us here who have come to depend so strongly on this wonderful home and community. Not only that, but it will greatly improve the chances of the libery candidate in 2016.

I want you to be happy Michael but shutting down the site means only you are happy and all of us will be sad and dissapointed. Why not give the site to someone who you can trust to take care of it? Maybe have a vote to see who would be the new owner that members can elect. It would be the final thing you ever have to do on the DP and then you would always be welcome to stop by and say hello to this wonderful community you created, minus the stress.

No matter what you decide to do, we love you always!

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SteveMT's picture

How about just closing down this post?

Making it a "read only" thread would save a lot of unnecessary emotional expenditure for a story posted over a year ago.

The Freight Train of Tyranny

The freight train of tyranny is moving a lot faster than we can slow it down. While we make advances it seems we take one step forward and tyranny pulls us three steps back. Personally I don't think there is any political solution that could happen quick enough to stop the ruling class from attaining their New World Order global fascist police state. The best we can hope for is a collapse and possibly something better to come out of it. In the meantime all we can really do is continue to educate others and make preparations to protect ourselves while maintaining a low profile and not becoming a target. There are lots of sites and forums out there to accomplish these things. I enjoy DP very much and would miss it, but I don't think it's worth sacrificing anyone's life over. (The only reason I keep my own site up is because I get free hosting and it's worth 15 bucks a year for the URL and few hours of my time in the hope I might educate or wake up a hand full of people.) I say, Michael, do what you must to preserve yourself and your family.

Turn off the TV Propaganda.
Find out what's really going on!
"Your portal to reality!"

We don't have to slow it down...

it will accelerate until the speed at which it advances is unsustainable. WE are the reason for it's acceleration and it is in the hasty and jealous acceleration of the State that it's demise will be found. Remember that we are LOVE! Remember that this is only the beginning of a new dimension of humanity.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Nobody is running that even

Nobody is running that even remotely resembles Ron Paul cept in name.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

Chances in 2016?

What chances?

If Rand wins, and that's a big IF. He is only going to inherit a financial collapse then all the socialists of the world will blame free market practices and we'll be even worse then we are now.

There is no WINNING. There is only getting prepared for the inevitable. Hilary is likely going to win as the democrats have bought enough support via entitlements and indoctrinating people in to dependence. Half the country is dependent on gov handouts of one kind or another. And the fuel Hillary throws on the fire is probably the best we can hope for, as her unavoidable failure will be the catalyst for real change in the correct direction.

If anyone thinks 17 trillion is reversible through political action at this point you are dreaming. If anyone thinks that the vast majority of corrupt politicians are just going to go away or all the sudden change their ways, you are dreaming. If anyone thinks that we are going to all the sudden have real and fair elections, you are completely insane. The establishment is far to entrenched and they DON'T care. The vast majority of congress is seated by sociopaths.
Not to mention what are you going to do when all the idealists you have "elected" retire and then once again get replaced by sociopaths. We are going to go through this all over again. Worse, our children or grand kids will go through this.

There are no easy routes. Buts it better to prepare yourself and your family for what we all know is coming. Protect your assets and wealth, diversify, do whatever you gotta do. Spending more time and money on elections and pushing politicians is a WASTE. We've been doing this since at least 2007 and people like Michael long before 2007. It's time to refocus, and NOT on Rand or elections.

Michael is doing what's right for him as he should be. If running this site prevents that, well then perhaps he can sell it someone else or just give up on it.

Whoever counts the votes wins

And we loose.....



Uh, why was this bumped?

Just asking.

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Michael Nystrom's picture

Thanks for the free advice

I'll do with it what I do with most free, unsolicited advice.


He's the man.

Liberty Candidate

I love this site but I'm not aware of a Liberty Candidate worth supporting that is running yet??????

Wow, people hate this comment.

But I get what you're saying. It's not like 2008 and 2012 when there was one liberty candidate who stood out among them all and had a real shot at the presidency.

There was something special about those elections that inspired a hope that I just don't foresee this time around.

Ron Paul was both ideologically pure AND had a chance of winning. There's no one else like that right now. I plan to support Rand, but it's really not the same as supporting Ron.

I'll vote for...

...whomever the Doctor recommends, I think.

He has earned my trust.

Yes, some peope hate my comments

And I guess those same people love Rands Israeli loving views, but not me.

But that's okay I guess. That's part of the reason why we have our 1st Amendment.

Yeah, older post. DP will

Yeah, older post. DP will live on!

Cyril's picture

This was posted on 04/28/2013.

This was posted on 04/28/2013.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius


Where is all this talk about the site closing down coming from? I've not read/heard anything about it. And what's this nonsense about voting to see who would take it over?!? This is not some kind of republic or democracy - this is PERSONAL PROPERTY! The only "vote" that counts is that of the owner. What makes you think that you're opinion or wishes matter with regards to what Michael does with his property? Good grief, it annoys the hell out of me that some people think that a website is a state with citizens that have rights. You (nor I for that matter) have NO rights here! Michael is not a government official or elected leader, he is a LANDLORD! This is his property, he rules it - we're all just guests that he allows to visit and speak (for the most part) freely.

And, for the love of all that is holy, please refrain from using the word "fair". That is such a silly word! What's "fair"? You, who have absolutely NO ownership stake in this property, think that Michael owes you something? He owes you NOTHING. He owes me NOTHING. The only thing that would be "fair" is to recognize that the OWNER should benefit (exclusively) from whatever he decides to do. If he were, in any way, to sacrifice anything for your sake (or mine), that would be an act against himself (yup, you got it, my feelings about altruism are in-line with Ayn Rand).

If it is truly the case that he wants to shut it down, I have a couple of unused static IP addresses and a web-server that hosts a couple of other sites that can handle the traffic. I would gladly host the site. However, I fear that some of you would consider Michael a benevolent, loving and tolerant landlord compared to me - LOL. I would moderate the site a bit more sternly and be less tolerant of some of the threads that pop up. I've often thought that Michael was too liberty minded with regards to his personal property (this site). While I am a strong libertarian, with that, comes the notion that a man IS the ruler of his own life and property and, as such, can decide what he wishes to allow/disallow (even on a whim) on his own property. So, be warned that, in the highly unlikely event that Michael gives away, sells or otherwise disposes of this property and the even more unlikely event that I take ownership, things would change. LOL

Please don't

This is a very unique site and I come to it everyday.

I elect Treubig

I elect Treubig

is this the end of the dp.

I read the dp every day . we hope that the site does not close down ..is there any way to gather a group to buy in and keep it funded and alive .

Garan's picture

What's this all about?

The link in the comments didn't work for me.
If this is true, a sizable fair warning would be nice.

I did some creative writing here and would like to have a copy.

I'd hate to see it go.

I often think this site is a treasure trove of information and history.

If the day ever comes (and I don't understand why it would), the site should at least be mirrored, archived, and shared.

I wouldn't mind having a hand in that.

Let me know if you need the help, Micheal.

Gilligan's picture

Can you imagine 2016, Rand (and us) crushing

the establishment Republicans in the national convention (with Ron getting a prime time speaking slot), winning the Nomination, and then beating the pants off of Hillary for the Presidency ... all without the Daily Paul?

Google is government.

Dear Mr. Nystrom

I don't understand. This site is in the top 5000 sites for traffic in the United States. Is it losing money, or do you not have the time or inclination for it anymore? Are you looking to sell it off? I don't post and comment much, but I read this website almost everyday.


I'm totally with you man... This shutting down thing does not make ANY sense...

Damn!!! GIVE ME THE SITE (I'll take it!)

Or better yet, if what ever it is is that bad Auction It and sell it to the person you feel would be best to carry on the torch.

(Out of all of the crazy things that have been posted on this site, the shutting down of this site is by far the craziest.)

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

I visit this site everyday

I visit this site everyday and I haven't heard anything about the site closing down.

If you are, I wish the best of luck to your future endeavors. I am saddened but understand that we all wish to do more with our lives.

If you are not, then whose idea of a sick joke was this?

Is there an official post?

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

This is my #1 alternative

This is my #1 alternative news site. The topics I'm interested in reading about on a daily basis are posted by the many talented people registered here. On average 100,000 guests a day read DP. I don't think DP is going anywhere but up. Heck, that's 1/5 if Rachel Maddows, audience on Prime time cable TV. For DP internet only based web site, and true political animals for the most part read DP daily, that's pretty impressive.

Me too

It's at the core of my entire news day.

And that's saying alot. I use an RSS reader that draws on about 7 agreggators - ~10 blogs from pundits I respect - and lots of other stuff.

I come here for the liberty people's reactions and response to everything that's going on.

Say it aint so! Don't go DP


and I mean NUMBER ONE. Oh man, what now? Say it isn't so. Crap. I even donated. Well it is what it is. Damn.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

WTF are all these

speculations coming from like, "What to do when the DP disappears," "Should RP buy the DP," and this particular thread? Seriously, did Michael send out a memo or something?

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

For context on this...

...see the comments in the following thread:


yeah, he did, we got

yeah, he did, we got cancelled