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My Area, This Nation, Is Becoming A Dump, All While Going Broke GRRRR!

I am sick and tired of this. So I am spearheading an initiative to have roads be constructed of concrete, rather than asphalt.

Detours abound, to lay or resurface using asphalt, only to have the roads broken up again in less than a year or two due to pot holes, frost heaves, etc. It is constant and expensive work, and I can NOT afford to keep replacing front end parts on my car, much less pay burdensome taxes to do the same thing over and over again hoping for different results. Concrete lasts decades and can be up to 60% cheaper in the long run YMMV. It also requires NO petroleum products, so reliance on potential foreign crude will be less. And, concrete can be 100% recycled, rather than end up in landfills.

I am OPPOSED to green initiatives set forth by Agenda 21 and the like. I am FOR, however, initiatives that are sound economically and will enhance the beauty of my environment, along with providing safer road conditions. Workers can then utilize their time working on other MEANINGFUL projects that will invite business/tourism to the area.

I am Liberty, but I am also Conservative. If we are to involve ourselves politically, let us make meaningful differences that affect our communities, personal lives and our pockets. And especially MY CAR.

Here is an example outline:

http://www.concreteisbetter.com/vs.html



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Daily Paul, I bump this thread so that others may work to improve their own communities. Do not let the nwo, feds, corruption, dictate your environment :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I almost doubt that this is some covert action

I think it's more a symptom of everyone being cash poor at all levels. Asphalt is much cheaper to both install and to repair.

My ex neighbor paid $4,000 for a two stall driveway upgrade from asphalt when we built our houses in '96. That was just for about 30' of length. Four years ago, a different friend of mine turned his rock lined circle drive into asphalt for $2,000. The difference is that the circle drive is probably around 800 feet long total and to patch it, he takes a propane torch and some tar and sand maybe a hour's time.

I disagree.

I do not know if region has anything to do with it, but I had my driveway priced out 8 years ago by several companies both concrete and asphalt. Concrete was $2,500 cheaper start to finish, so I went that route, and glad that I did. This was for 95'x12', plus a 35'x35' pad.

While some of my neighbors with asphalt have to repair due to frost heaves and sinks/dips, as well as seal every so often, I have not had to do a single thing and it still looks new.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Concrete has downsides too

It also suffers from potholes and cracking, and the holes when filled just reopen again because nothing sticks well enough the the exposed concrete in the road bed. They've used asphalt in Europe for decades with great success, because they are engineered to last forty years, whereas our roads are only engineered to last maybe five. Don't hate the asphalt, blame the low engineering standards.

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The road from my home to town is littered with potholes.

It is like a pinball game. A friend got pulled over the other night and given the whole "filed test" nonsense for dodging potholes.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

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Government:

"Why build something once for $10, when you can rebuild it a hundred times for $5."

Yeah, we are losing money per rebuild, but will make it up on volume.

Not to sound like a broken record again.... but...

If the roads were being paid for directly by those who care (surrounding shop owners, etc through a coop of highly interested individuals) instead of spread across a bunch of tax payers that do not have knowledge, interest, etc. It wouldn't take too many times before they did it in a way that lasted longer.

No reason it needs to be government enforced, paid for, and decided by.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Wolfe - We need more broken records.

This nation as a whole has forgotten much of what it takes to succeed.

It is high time that we start preachin' the words.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Concrete roads built by Romans are still in use

how's that for durability!!

Yes, concrete is much better. Which is probably why it won't be used.

((((Granger))))

That is what it looks like every 5 feet around here!

I know that some may want to make an argument for asphalt, but once you put up with what I put up with around here, asphalt is complete garbage, and COSTLY!

Where have you been, I tried calling you??????

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Why is asphalt used anyway?

Why is asphalt used anyway? Better traction in rain or snow? I really have no idea.

The concrete pavers of Minnisota like it better than asphalt (naturally): http://www.concreteisbetter.com/vs.html

I wonder what the Asphalt lobby says?

Much cheaper and faster to

Much cheaper and faster to build.

My uneducated suppositions

... has been deleted to preserve my own personal self-image.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

IMO...

It is because of payoffs, contracts, union or otherwise (I am NOT anti-union, unless corruption is involved). For a time, it could have been done as an experiment, but now that it is known, there is no reason to continue to use asphalt, other than to purposefully cause our communities to go broke.

From the research that I have done, asphalt does NOT provide better traction.

Concrete is by far superior, safer and cheaper.

Thanks for the questions [bump] Velveeta :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul