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May 1, 2013 - my FINAL post...(or day! gee whiz!)

This was it ...


Anyone is welcome to email me through here...I'll let you know what I'm up to....Where I land, or plant my flag next...see ya....

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Jefferson's picture


of the drama queen nonsense. I'm putting this now 2nd "suicide note" on read only. If you want to leave then leave quietly. You did this last time with your "The trolls win I'm outta here" thread and you were back within a week. It's a distraction frankly, and shows a lack of maturity.

If you want to continue preach/minister to the unwashed masses here, I would ask you to reflect on this.

You state that you have several small children at home. Are they getting the effort and guidance that you are trying in some cases to impose here? I would make sure my OWN house was in order before I went trying to convert and preach to others.
Secondly, why is it that you seem to be so starved for attention? Why must everything be such a big dramatic vein popping production with you? Is there something missing in your life that leads you to do this?

Obviously you won't be able to reply on this thread any longer, and I'm not really interested in reading a separate response on another thread you've created. These questions are meant for you to quietly reflect on. If you aren't able to quietly step away and take a break when needed and create yet another "I'm outta here" thread, I'm going to take you seriously, and consult with the other mods, and make that a reality for you. The quivery lipped temper tantrums are getting old.

Michael Nystrom's picture

ok thanks.

See you tomorrow.


funny.. I was just thinking, "I'm so jealous of Mr. and Mrs Nystrom.. there they are on a beautiful day, amazing ocean, occaisional UFO passing by, fine food, good music, funny people.. on their way to have real fish and chips and Indian food.. maybe take a look at Athens (museum).. and you're still here.. and when I read, "see you tomorrow".. well.. my dreams of your vacation are really awesome.. colors are fantastic.. I'm totally tripping.

I wish DP members could charge others a nickel

For stating they are leaving, but never do. I would be a millionaire. Well, in this economy, it would fill up my gas tank.

Hey! Great idea to fundraise for this site!


“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Why Do People....

Have to announce when they leave the Daily Paul? The termination process around here is silly at times. I do not know what course of terminations others will take but for me, give me a secrete departure or give me death.

I agree

about the announcement of termination.
If someone tires of the site, fade off on your own. Don't tell everyone. I never really knew you in the 1st place. If you want sympathy. Your not going to get it from many here. If you are an adult who cannot take the heat or get your views out to change others minds. Well maybe you should rethink what you are all about. If you are a true libertarian, remember the founding fathers never gave up. Quitters are losers.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

It is very interesting to see how being bad at selling religion

is so closely tied with being bad at selling Liberty. Pushing ideals on people is certainly a turn off, and witnessing in that manner will go no where. Pot, homosexuality, and other social issues are talked about in the bible not so much in words, but in the actions of Jesus. Jesus did not burn the prostitute, he protected her and said "He who is free from sin, cast the first stone", which is much different then taking her child away, putting her in a cage, and throwing her in the well to die and burn in Hell for profit.

Homosexuality is also a topic I love discussing with those that feel they have the moral high ground, and speak for God himself when I ask what level of sin is homosexuality? Is it a 1 on God's chart equal with murder, or is it a 4 which God thinks is equal to say armed robbery, or spousal abuse? Again the story in the bible with the prostitute speaks volumes above and beyond scripture in the acts of God. God said in Hebrews 13.4 "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." Interesting it does not instruct his followers to be the judge of things be it an adulterer, or homosexual, nor does it go into specifics of gay marriage or sexual acts of homosexuals, this is because it is not for us to judge, lest ye be judged yourself.

While it is understandable that the author is rejected here, as many I speak with feel that the right abandoned God for power, power in the political arena to force their moral "judgement" on others and not so much law. The government loved this as their for profit schemes flow, and greed and corruption followed. I see both sides of the coins, those that attack Mr. inconspicuously named "UnderGod", and fail to realize that he/she is trying to do good, but is a touch pushy on his/her beliefs, and those that do not believe or have a differing faith that cannot get along with him/her. I think no matter if there is or is not a God we should love one another, we should keep our personal beliefs to ourselves unless someone seeks our expertise, and we should learn by the Christian Gods beliefs that we are all children of the earth, and we can choose whether to be good people, or to be bad people, no matter the opinions of others do no harm, help others when you can, and accept the different ideals of others, but do not push them or else you will be miserable and alone.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Terrific comment!

Bravisissismo! Thank you, blounttruth, for expressing so clearly what I wanted to but, could not express so well. I bear no ill will towards anyone here, although some may falsely believe that I do. (Maybe God is trying to tell them something http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD5uPZzBr5c)

Can't help what people choose to believe. Can only comment in the hope that they can look at some things a bit differently at times.

Hey, I can do bad all by myself and so can everyone else here.


“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

intolerance is the problem

many religious people are intolerant as are liberty haters so yea it's a hard sell to get people to be open minded. If people would just hear Ron out instead of listening to the fox/msnbc/hater radio we'd be winning but we're being out spent by the corporatist and the hater heads..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

Don't let the door hit you on the way out

Even though I'd love to believe that you aren't coming back, I'm sure you will at some point.

Honestly, if there's one person on the DP I'd never want to see again it would be you.

Another one? Chill man, we're

Another one? Chill man, we're all friends here or at least we should be.

SteveMT's picture

Selectively containing your awakening was not part of the deal.

When people wake-up, every aspect of their life is now fair game to be questioned and put to the test. Religious believes are not immune from this same scrutiny. All Ron Paul promised was the truth, nothing more or less.

I do feel your pain and anguish, PatriotsUnderGod. It took years for me to come to terms with and reconcile my religious believes with reality. Will you grow from this is the question? Don't answer that now. That will be answered for you with time as you work your way through this. Peace.

The republic lost its way....

by elevating government above man. Not man above God.

Protect your assets and profit from the greatest wealth transfer in history.




Ok, you called me.....

My 'thoughtful' diatribes will have to cease....this is affecting my work & family time...things have tipped for me too in April(lost a vehicle, lost my part time job); time has freed up to express my reasonings by speech(video or "radio"/podcast) versus type out my innumerable thoughts for.2-3 hours/day here.

Yes, I was feeling seriously disappointed my "military suicide" thread.went nowhere last night; and beating my head against the wall in threads dealing with pot use, homosexuality, and those passive about Obama's invocation upon Planned Parenthood Friday has been disheartening as well.

I have "shut people out"(hang on, I gotta finish this post!); and I've been convicted by that. Do I want my point of view to win, sure; do I think I can back up my rhetoric with historic sources, yes....

I need to manage my time better, but still lend my voice to the cause of Liberty...Like I said, I'm just going to express myself on a different platform...I need the DP for news...so, if I added what I read here to my daily Bible time, I've got a MESSAGE...I just can't get bogged down in arguments via threads...

I'm leaving THAT behind me...I've got to "man up" myself and go public...

Sorry if you feel this was dishonest, I was in the driveway after work at midnight, and after having read half a dozen "you're a Bible-thumping idiot" responses to some of my last few arguments, I knee jerked it...either way...keep me honest...I'll keep "preaching", but on a different medium than half-an-hour posts here...maybe a website, YouTube's, and I really need to make that PowerPoint and take this passion of mine and express my worldview Face-to-Face!!


Sleep well?

OK, now I'm gonna getcha... lol!
"Pot use?"
Really? A liberty lover who supports making the most healing herb God gave us unavailable to the people? Understand I devoted a career to ophthalmology, and it pisses me off to know that the ONE drug that PREVENTS the blinding disease of glaucoma is deemed to have "no medicinal value." Instead, ophthalmologists pump these poor people full of Pharma crap with possibly life threatening side effects that only slow the progression. Why would this happen? Because of 2 tests that the government and insurance companies pay for, "visual field" and "intraocular pressure." The doctors can bill patients for these services up to four times per year, and the doctor does not even have to see the patient. A tech can do both tests, and the doctor can review them, sign off, and send the bill to Medicare (or the insurance company.) Everyone makes LOTS of money TREATING glaucoma, no one makes money if patients can grow their own cure.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

After reading through a couple of your posts

It seems to me that although you have a zeal you are in fact convicting yourself by your own words. You talk about the apostasy and then mix your own beliefs with Scriptural doctrine. That is call hypocrisy and makes you just as guilty.

Do you keep GODs Sabbath or do you rest on Sunday? Do you Hallow His Name or do you use a false name. Do you keep the Scriptural Holy Days or the pagan Christmas and Easter? Do you teach that sin is the transgression of the Law or do you make up your own sins?

You worship a false name (Jesus) on a false sabbath (Sunday) and transgress the Law in doing those things along with keeping worldly holidays, like those mentioned above, in violation of His Commandments. You make up sin when you say that using cannabis (made by GOD) is a sin.

There is no such place as "Hell" as depicted by main stream christian thinking. Hell is translated from at least three different words but is most commonly referring to the Pit of Fire where the wicked will be DESTROYED, not live forever in agony.

Self righteous Christians aka bad servants will be cast into OUTER DARKNESS "where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." The question is where does HE draw the line between a bad servant and a wicked imposter. So if I were you I would rethink your self righteous ways before you convict yourself in the eyes of Yahweh and suffer the recompense of your hypocrisy.

Catholicism rules Christianity today because even the so called Protestants keep the false teachings of the Pope. It is time to come out of that false worship and return to true Scriptural teaching.

robot999's picture


you are a VERY informed person. God bless you!

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa


I just wish I could be a better person over all but I fall short in so many ways. I hope that my short comings do not hinder others from researching the truth that I try to share. :-)


Then YOU have a ministry cut out for you...exposing me as a "false prophet" all the days of your life...Jude 1:3 commands it of Christ's disciples...

I quote scriptures routinely because of God's promise in Isaiah 55:11...I don't do the Southern Baptist Convention Romans-Road, para-church, 1-2-3, sign a prayer card, walk an isle, pray these words and you're in the kingdom...

I have quoted scriptures, and have said things(not "taught" in any official capacity)...as Ron Paul said...if you're looking for perfection, you'll be sorely disappointed....

Even God could use/hire a false prophet to proclaim this: BUT, you're actually reading the post of ONE born-again living saint, who believes is NOT in danger or destruction in hell fire for the accusations you have cited....because His Spirit through the Word bears witness with my spirit.

America's problem, this Liberty Movement's problem is the SAME:
Today is the 1st of the month, today is the day to read Proverbs Chapter 1...

Especially THESE verses:

24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

Next, you'll tell me this is NOT the Word of God, nor am I able to discern it's meaning because I am a charlatan both politically and religiously, an agent of Satan(who knows scriptures better than me), and I am "without authority" to plead with men to submit to Christ....boy how some in here know how to suck me back in....

[it's 9:45 CST, this needs to be my "last post" for a while...let this be my humble testimony, and let my detractors have at it...I'm where I'm at spiritually and educationally]

Frustrated, but not feaful ;)

You still haven't answered my question, Patriot:

Where does God say consuming cannabis is a sin?

At least, give me a CLOSE interpretation where CANNABIS or GREEN HERB or something referring to what we all know as marijuana/cannabis is written in the Bible and how God/Jesus/Sidartha Guatuma/etc say it's "bad" or "not good" or "sinful."

Please, address the question directly.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

READ EVERYTHING I WROTE!!!! on that thread...

I'm for the medicinal marijuana for the same reason Paul told Timothy to drink wine for his stomach sake...

"cut and paste" and rip my every word to shreds here, make YOUR case; the burden of of proof is NOT on me, the reputation of Christ's professing church was mischaracterized in the poll by ignorant people who are NOT born-again.

Are you saying I'm a moron who has bought into the contemporary reputation of marijuana, given the failed "war on drugs"? There is no "bad pot" out there? Smoking DOPE doesn't dull a man's conscience? The lifestyle and dress and tattoos and multiple piercings and long hair and attitude and every last stereotype and LAW that bears witness of a POOR CHRISTIAN TESTIMONY; actually an exhibition of "I've been made in the image God, and His likeness; but... I'm going to do what's right in my OWN eyes regardless if some Bible-Thumper or pastor says I'm in rebellion...oh yeah...I'm a Christian too....deal with it!!!"

Your arguments and demands on me to produce a "thou shalt not" get intoxicated on the sweet leaf" is the same logic that would infer that Jesus was NOT God in the flesh because it is not recorded in the closed cannon "let me tell you about air travel, the Audi R8 GT, cell phones and the internet" since He is.an eternal being.

My suspicion, you need me to "lose it" so you can continue mocking me for your little audience; I'm not taking the bait, and you can call me a coward and a false prophet....I'm not concerned....abstinence from "substance abuse" of EVERY sort that renders a man not sober and "in the spirit" all the day long, fully conscious, is a GOOD edification....

You go your pot-smoking way, and take your hostile to the Bible, moral relativist crowd with you....the war on drugs is a major failure for the corruption and reasons behind it as alluded to in Elijah Green's The Kennel; a book recommended by my FAVORITE creation evangelist Kent Hovind, who has personally experienced Proverbs 30:22 first hand, as yet.another non-violent criminal who's family has been ASSAULTED and fractured by the intimidating STATE and their overkill attitude on demonstrating how much "freedom" we really DO have...

22 For a servant when he reigneth; and a fool when he is filled with meat;... "the earth is disquieted, and ... it cannot bear"(verse 21)

I'm sorry that you're upset

But I think your emotion and your assumptions are getting in the way of a good debate.

-I never called you a moron.
-I don't mean to mock you.
-I don't want you to 'lose it'

All assumptions about me created by you.

Why do you keep saying that I'm "abusing" pot? Have I told you my "pot consuming" schedule? And according to you, how much pot is "too much" for one to consume? How do you know I smoke pot? Because I defend it's position within (or not in) the Bible? How much pot does one need to consume to be "drunk" in God's eyes? You know that some countries consume cannabis before they pray? What a coincidence, no?

These are all facts that are important to understand if we are to have a debate. Problem is, you keep defending your position without any actual evidence that God has said "smoking cannabis is a sin."

Why did God say "Do not lay with another man" or "Thou shall not kill." That's pretty direct, if you ask me. Why do other things need to be interpreted and ASSUMED to be pushed as "truth" or "God's word" if MEN wrote the Bible?

I have never in my life questioned my Creator, but my Creator didn't write the Bible. The Bible was written by MEN and MEN are capable of being corrupted...OR...interpretting differently. Were some things written in the Bible 100% fact? I say yes. Is everything in the Bible 100% fact? I say no.

I thought you were leaving the Daily Paul, Patriot, but I guess that isn't true either.

That must make you a man.

God Bless.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

There is nothing wrong with your tradition

of reading certain Scripture on certain days. That is not a tradition that usurps GODs Law. But the one you chose is very telling and in particular is verse 33 "But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil."

Do you hearken unto HIM or do you hearken unto the false christian teachings of this world? You will have to answer for yourself. I am just trying to point out the fallacy of main stream Christianity but I would venture to guess that you will not even entertain the thought that you could be wrong.

That is why pride is a deadly sin. Not because people will be punished for being proud but because pride keeps us from accepting or even entertaining the truth in favor of holding to the false traditions that are held so dear. It's called cause and effect and that is how many of Yahweh's ordinances work. Like telling someone not to put the tweezers in the electrical outlet, if they do then they only punish themselves.

I pray that you will someday come to accept Scriptural truth and reject the false teaching of the anti Christ. Daniel tells us that the "people of the prince to come" would destroy Jerusalem and they did. The Romans destroyed the city and the prince of darkness is taught out of Rome to this day. The False Christ. The usurper of the truth. For what it's worth.


I'd really like to get a handle on what kind of moron you take me for....

It sounds a lot like "shut up until you KNOW you KNOW what you KNOW", though I am to hang my head saying "I know nothing" based in your condemnation/challenges....that might have worked with the High Priest silencing a Nicodemus who may have raised an objection about the kangaroo court that condemned Christ as chief blasphemer in Judaism....not me....the authority is not me...God
preserves His Word, and it gets spread by "broken vessels".

I'm not ignorant of two things you mention...the papacy is behind the Common Core federal takeover of education: listen here....


And, mainstream American Christianity is most certainly counterfeit beyond measure, and toxic to babes in Christ...expressly for POLITICAL purposes...

The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it. Noah Webster

It's.11:35a.m. CST .... The DP is like a drug .... I need to "put it away"...

Just to be clear...

...you embrace the OT only, reject Christ as anti-Christ and are awaiting the true Messiah still? Or are you just saying that the NT has been distorted by various churches?

Isn't bearing false witness a

Isn't bearing false witness a sin?

Yes it is

but what false witness are you talking about?

Never mind. I see.

It appears the he is teaching false doctrine which is a false witness in itself.