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New Movie 'Oblivion' - The Most Anti-war Movie To Come About In Years. (Major Spoilers)

The writers and director of this movie should be congratulated for disguising their message behind just enough hollywood glitz and special effects to let it's subversive message make it to the silverscreen without being shut down.

Major spoilers - you have been warned - part of the enjoyment of the movie is discovering this stuff - and not in this order. DO NOT READ THIS before you see the movie.

In order to fully analyze what the movie is conveying - you need a full background of the events leading up to the movie.

An unidentified object is discovered in around a moon of Jupiter and a space mission is sent to investigate. Jack (Tom Cruise) and his co-pilot Victoria are astronauts on the team and are navigating the space ship as it approaches the object, with the rest of the team in hypersleep in the sleep pod. As they approach the object, some sort of tractor beam starts to pull the ship towards the object. Jack and Victoria detach from the sleep pod, which is sent heading back towards earth. Jack and Victoria are taken into the unidentified object. The object is shaped like a tetrahedron and it is referred to as the Tet.

Once captured, the male astronaut Jack is cloned into a massive army as the Tet accelerates towards earth. Once the Tet reaches Earth's orbit, it destroys the moon, sending the Earth's climate and oceans into massive disarray, annihilating much of earths civilization. UFO sends landing parties of thousands of clones of the Male astronaut, Jack Harper - whose memory has been erased and who has been fed some story rationalizing the destruction of the beings left on Earth (whatever this rationalization was is not explained during the movie). He was one of the sharpest and most capable humans and as a clone army equipped with alien technology they quickly destroy the majority of what is left of humanity.

The remaining humans wear disfiguring stealth technology body armor and disguise their voices in order to avoid detection by Alien drones.

The second phase of the alien invasion is to deplete the earth of its energy and resources. Large processing plants are stationed around the major bodies of water and are guarded by large numbers of computer controlled drones. Pairs of the original cloned astronauts are set up in a particular geographical region with the Jack clone acting as a drone technician and repair person and the other female clone as his support staff and communication officer.

Their memories have been wiped and they are given a partly true history of the war. This is the false story they are provided:

They are told that the aliens, called scavengers, destroyed the moon and that there was a large war between the forces of humans and scavengers ultimately won by the humans. Their victory came at a price, however. The humans used nuclear weapons around the world to claim victory, rendering much of the world uninhabitable due to the resulting radiation. The remaining humans retreated to Titan, one of the moons of Jupiter. A human space station, called the Tet, was sent to earth to establish the cleanup crew and monitor the process of returning the earth to an inhabitable form. There are a few pockets of remaining scavengers on the earth however no humans remain except for those in the cleanup crew. One of the duties of the technician is to repair the drones so that they can guard the cleanup processors from the various attacks by the remaining scavengers.

This false story given in addition to a memory wipe which the technician is told is necessary in order to protect humanity. As a result male technician does not know that he is a clone, does not know of the history of the war that produced the environment in which he operates and is unaware that the beings who are called scavengers and regularly killed by himself and by the drones he repairs and operates are human.

In the course of the movie the male astronaut learns that the scavengers are actually human - and the movie portrays his journey as he learns the true nature of the conflict which he is a part of.

If you ever wanted a good story to illustrate some of the moral problems that occur with the method whereby we have employ drone warfare, you could hardly ask for a better allegory.

First - the male tech, Jack, is the metaphor for the American soldier. He is brainwashed, fed a false history which allows him to interpret his actions as just and moral. He has been cloned and expected to operate the same as the next clone. He is expected not to ask questions and to obey orders without hesitation. He and his partner are constantly told to just focus on their specific job at hand - any curiosity about the bigger picture is strongly discouraged.

Next, Jack has been setup to see the scavenger as non-human and alien. This allows him to view their death without remorse. The scavengers represent what ever enemies our soldiers are sent against. Seeing them as alien bent on the destruction of humans, all of their attempts at destroying the processors or himself are seen as acts of aggression rather than defensive.

The drones represent, well drones. They separate jack somewhat from most of the killing of the scavengers. Jack understands that his repair and upkeep of the drones has the direct effect of killing the scavengers. That the programs are actually programmed to kill humans only becomes clear to jack when he is directly present as it carries out its killing on people he knows to be human. This is a metaphor for the drone operators realizing the moral implications of what they are doing only truly when they see the direct human effects of their destruction.

At one key scene when someone comments to Jack that the drones are highly effective weapons he responds by simply stating "No. I am the Weapon." This is the most profound statement of the movie and it's implications carry though all the rest of the points made here.

I really love thoughtful Sci-Fi that forces you to reexamine things that you take for granted in the real world from another perspective. Oblivion does this very well and in a manner that is not heavy handed. Take all your Neocon friends to the movie and see if any of them appreciate these themes. (hint - they will not)

I am sure there are more layers to this. Please add your own in the comments!



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Not going to read this because I want to see it

But it would make sense why the Establishment publications are giving it low review scores and completely contradicting the reviews of movie goers.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

To be fair, it does star

To be fair, it does star morgan freeman and tom cruise

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Not sure how you mean that

but I think Tom Cruise makes some good movies that are quite thought provoking. Vanilla Sky was one of my favourites. I came out of the theatre "high" because it messed with my mind so much! Minority Report was a great one as well giving a look at the future surveillance state under the guise of advertising technology among others.

And Morgan Freeman can talk the f*** out of any documentary!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I enjoyed it, not sure I got an anit-war vibe from it though...

I think the movie really shows though the endgame for the elite; Earth depopulated, Technocrats raping the earths resources in prep to go off planet; evil depicted as an upside down pyramid that wants to play God? I mean if that isnt the NWO what is... good movie, I liked it

My NeoCon republican friends hated Avatar

Now its time to take them to see this one too.

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Avatar

was a horrible film. Liberal propaganda through out the whole film. I am not a Neo-Con either. It was nothing but a EPA Military hating pro alien film.

Yes. It is stupid what they

Yes. It is stupid what they get annoyed about. Avatar ??? I had some friends bothered about Avatar as well - why??

Why bothered about Avatar? Because these Patriot simpletons

LOVE their military/govt/leaders. These are the "good guys who keep americans safe" -- attitude and Avatar turned that upside down on its head. Showed the Military as it truly is: An extension of Big Corp Business interests using govt to "get things done". Kind of like what is going on in Mali Africa whereupon big America Agribusiness seeks to use IMF/UN funds to build SUPER industrial Sugar plantations. The problem is that "ONLY 10% of land is privately owned, the govt owns the rest"---per 60 minutes. So the actual farmers who have lived their for hundreds of generations doing small time farming get PUSHED OUT and OFF of "govt land" now that govt cuts a deal with the UN "world poverty fund" to fund giant sugar agribusiness seeking land. -- See LAND RUSH: Who OWNS AFRICAN LAND
http://www.royalafricansociety.org/event/land-rush-who-owns-...

Has anyone seen this movie? http://www.harkinstheatres.com/movieDetails.aspx?movieId=140978

thoughts?

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Avatar is a counter to the message of Wall Street

Where Wall Street proclaims 'greed is good!'

Avatar proclaims 'greed is not good!'

Seriously

Anyone who had problems with Avatar has issues.

You have violent outsiders blatantly trying to destroy the homestead of a people, and the people defend themselves.

You have to be pretty odd to see something wrong in this.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

Because of the following:

Promotion of nature-worship
Promotion of a goofy Gaia-hypothesis crap-brained worldview
Insinuation that industry is inherently evil
Treats capitalism as evil - it's a CORPORATION, not government, and even though we all know corporations get their power from government, everyone else thinks they're proof of how bad capitalism is.

In short, it's a ridiculous, anti-human, nature-worshipping, and philosophically half-baked.

That's not even getting into the absurdly flat characters and the fact that getting the mineral would be incredibly beneficial to humanity's chances of survival, as well as the fact that the movie had to pull a blatant Deus Ex Machina out to give the movie a happy ending.

Also this: http://sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20100204

It is not that. It is hidden

It is not that. It is hidden guilt. I've heard a comment of Avatar being a futuristic dances with wolves. Many people do not like to face the history relative to Native peoples and the war against them.

Well...

What is your reply to the assessment by Sluggy Freelance?

Also, the situation depicted is almost nothing like the Native Americans. The ONLY similarity is "home is invaded by forces w/better tech."

The Native Americans did NOT live "in harmony" with their environment, they just had a minimal impact because there were so few. The movie is about obtaining a critical resources, the Native Americans were pushed out for land. The RDA was not taking swaths of land for colonization, it was building a mine. The Native Americans were wiped out almost entirely by disease, the massacres and outright conquest happening primarily in the late 18th and 19th centuries.

Finally, what's this BS about "hidden guilt?" I have no reason to feel guilty about the conquest of Native Americans any more than I have to feel guilty about slavery. I never participated in it, I never supported it, it's been over since before I was born.

heh

I didn't like avatar because it was anti-human and ridiculous and here is why.

The main character kills his human self. He kills his human body and "copies" his mind into the new *spoiler* body.

Your soul and your body are one. Your genetic DNA are what make you and your cells make the brain that make your thoughts. Simply copying your brain patterns of electrical pulses from your human brain an placing them into a clone or another species brain doesn't mean you have survived - it's no different from me writing down your thoughts after you recite them to me, it's just a more detailed fashion.

So it's ridiculous because the main character kills himself, his body and cells. There isn't even a direct copy of his cells or an offspring to carry on his DNA into the future. The aliens species wins, they convince the human to kill himself and they and get a clone with human knowledge....

AND NOBODY SAYS F*CK ABOUT THIS BASIC LOGIC.

heh

I didn't like avatar because it was anti-human and ridiculous and here is why.

The main character kills his human self. He kills his human body and "copies" his mind into the new *spoiler* body.

Your soul and your body are one. Your genetic DNA are what make you and your cells make the brain that make your thoughts. Simply copying your brain patterns of electrical pulses from your human brain an placing them into a clone or another species brain doesn't mean you have survived - it's no different from me writing down your thoughts after you recite them to me, it's just a more detailed fashion.

So it's ridiculous because the main character kills himself, his body and cells. There isn't even a direct copy of his cells or an offspring to carry on his DNA into the future. The aliens species wins, they convince the human to kill himself and they and get a clone with human knowledge....

AND NOBODY SAYS F*CK ABOUT THIS BASIC LOGIC.

Maybe the issue

is that people who didn't like Avatar saw Dances With Wolves first.

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Yes. It is stupid what they

Yes. It is stupid what they get annoyed about. Avatar ??? I had some friends bothered about Avatar as well - why??

Saw it last weekend

and really enjoyed it more than I expected to. I agree that it is a very pro-liberty movie disquised as a slick sci-fi actioner. Though, the people that don't recognize the disguise are most likely not awake in this world yet either. I'm just glad that movies such as Oblivion and Cloud Atlas are still being made in today's era of state-worshipping propaganda.

These movies, like Terminator, Star Wars, the Matrix, and even the Hunger Games, serve as cautionary tales, in my opinion. They look at the world today to see what paths we're walking now and try to predict where those paths may or will take us later.

I say it's just a shame that cautionary tales such as these have to be disguised within the science fiction genre (though, many times the reality that is being predicted comes to exist in one respect or another) in order for them to be made into big-budget Hollywood movies. Why can't a tale like Oblivion be told using present day settings, characters, and themes? After all, great atrocities are committed by our very own government using technology that, 20 years ago, would have seemed very sci-fi to us. Instead, most of the films about politics of the day that come out of Hollywood display government agents as heroes while mostly ignoring the evils of the very agencies they operate out of. Fighter planes only fight the bad guys, special operatives only kill the criminals indiscriminately, spying agencies are only out there looking for the big, bad foreign threat that is seeking to destroy America, etc.

What is the greater fiction, that which is portrayed in Oblivion or that which the government swears is truth in Zero Dark Thirty?

I won't hold my breath for the day when science fiction quits reflecting reality more than the "realistic" movies put out to sooth the masses in Hollywood.

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double post

Check it out in an IMAX Theatre

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Saw it last...

...Friday, as 'date night' with my wife. :). We both really liked it, for all those reasons you describe; have the M83 soundtrack playing in the car now. :)

I'd say this and 'Cloud Atlas' are the two films that have recently resonated with me the most, from a Liberty worldview standpoint. That little spot of beauty, that oasis of peace by the lake where Jack finds solace and rest amidst the chaos -- that felt like a great symbol of what we all are struggling against the 'machine' to preserve.

Regardless of whatever quirks he has in his personal life (which of us don't have quirks?), I really like some of Tom Cruise's roles -- 'Minority Report', 'Last Samurai', 'Valkyrie', and 'Oblivion' especially.

Hey Micah68

I don't know what is wrong with the other thread but the reply buttons are missing. So I randomly chose this thread to answer your question here: http://www.dailypaul.com/284079#comment-3062597

I believe in Messiah Yahshua and that he did offer himself as a sacrifice for our sins. In order to obtain salvation we must repent of our sins and endeavor to lead righteous aka lawful lives. He did away with the Levitical Priesthood and became our High Priest who has paid the ultimate sacrifice once and for all for the remission of sins which negates the need for animal sacrifice.

This does not mean we can continue in sin and it does not mean that the Law is void because sin is the transgression of the Law. But unlike the nation of Israel under Levitical Law, we are in no position to carry out punishment for breaking the His Law. We are to lead by example just as Yahshua did and is a pattern for us.

So yes I believe that New Testament teaching has been skewed for various reasons and many Christians never consider the Old Testament thus making there understanding flawed. Paul told Timothy that Scripture is good for instruction in righteousness and the only Scripture Timothy had was the Old Testament.

Anyway I don't want to get too long winded as you know us Bible thumpers can get some times. :-)

Thanks...

...for the reply on that. I feel bad having our outside conversation seep into this thread on the movie, though. Maybe could just private message me under such circumstance? I'll message you back, maybe under Religion somewhere. Thanks, though! :)

I didnt realize M83 did the soundtrack

thats cool... gotta get a copy of that, very chill mood music, good for a long commute

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Also "Star Wars"...

Oblivion was a fantastic movie and I have to admit I did not see some of the points you raised. I've pointed out for a long time the way "The Republic" turns into "The Empire" in Star Wars is very close to the path we are taking. Since Star Wars was written so long ago, I don't know if that was the intent, but it sure does seem that way.

Beware the cult of "government"...

I Would Like To Make Time To See This Film

Has anyone here at the DP seen it yet?

saw it,

think you summarized it very elegantly.

here's a pretty lengthy behind the scenes compilation:

http://youtu.be/i9m6KzRMWnA

one more occult symbolism: The Tet also represents an uncapped/de-capped upside-down 'reverse' pyramid

and he literally entered it, to destroy it from within. or probably more 'metaphysically' speaking, reboot it, to begin the cycle of life, again...somewhere. a 'reincarnation,' considering the clones continue to live on recovering once lost memories??

the visual language was kinda interesting blend of Wil Smith's I.Robot and Cruise's previous film: Minority report.

the clinical white Apple product look was interesting metaphor in itself.

I actually thought the bulpup carbine was pretty cool looking, like a slimmed down Halo carbine.

as was the electric bike:

http://rideapart.com/2013/04/suspend-your-disbelief-oblivion/


http://youtu.be/gkGSOog36Xg

Thought it may have been inspired by this: http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fx/

but looks like they just dressed up a common production bike

while it did feel like it borrowed from a lot of previous sci-fi elements, what film hasn't? I was actually pleasantly surprised. Besides, when that many MSM outlets pan it, you know something's up. his scientology aside, as if they're any better, this venom against Cruise is utterly ridiculous, even by Hollyweird 'standards.' He's gotta be actually one of the most underrated highest paid actors of all time. good for Cruise to groom young talented director though.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

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Bravo!

I saw it too and my thougt was: S U B V E R S I V E.

Well done. Im on my phone so ill give your piece a closer reading later.

The ending was s real curveball!

He's the man.

Tropic Thunder

The only good role Tom Cruise has ever had, IMO

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Oh come on

What about Minority Report?

He's the man.