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Harmless E-Cig Use To Be Banned Everywhere in California

If you thought California couldn't get any more absurd, you perhaps haven't seen Senate Bill SB 648 yet.

Written by politicians so stupid there should be a law to prevent them reproducing, it proposes that e-cigs should face the same restrictions as the already hysterical ones pertaining to tobacco. Here is the base clause.

The Legislature finds and declares that the use of electronic cigarettes [...] is a hazard to the health of the general public. Any reference in this chapter to, or any prohibition of, the smoking of tobacco shall also be construed to refer to the use of electronic cigarettes.

Yes. They really are saying that e-cig vapour is - according to them - a proven danger to others. Passive vaping, in other words. There is not a jot of scientific evidence behind this, of course - nor will there ever be - but California has declared it anyway.

More: http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/2013/04/e-cig-use-to-be-b...

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Tobacco lobby

is 'behind' this.. You can be SURE.

Its not only California even other states.

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last i thougt

when something is made illegal it makes it cost more. So should we buy a bunch of these things?

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

2nd Hand Vapor Kills 1 billion people every year

I read it somewhere I just can't recall where...

It Sounds Like An Inflated Number

Circulated by those with an agenda.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Follow the money........

The revenue lost from people switching from tobacco cigarettes to e-cigs is the real motivation behind this legislation.

They want to tax it heavily but have to make-up a reason to justify it. It doesn't have to make sense or have any scientific evidence to support it.

I guess fluoride is next. Fluoride is a poison. Toothpaste breath is toxic.

Soon CA will just require you to hold your breath.

Really, it's the only way to protect others from airborne diseases! "Airborne diseases can be easily transferred from respiratory droplets exposed from the mouth." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_disease

Of course, we can all do our part, even without legislation:
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When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

that's what I'm doing now

(((((((mdefarge)))))))

Ever the concerned citizen you are (((Granger)))

Unless it's not related to airborne diseases! :)
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When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

A smoke isn't a smoke isn't a smoke.

OP, please read this publicly available article on the Toxicity of Nicotine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology

This toxicity isn't changed by the method of use, be it a patch, gum or vaporizer. Those methods often deliver *more* nicotine than smoking, because burning tobacco destroys some of the nicotine ingredients.

If the e-cig liquid formula contains nicotine, then yes, it is a hazard to health. Don't be duped between "smoke" and "not smoked". It isn't that simple. Smoking Dandelions or lettuce isn't the same as smoking a plant such as tobacco that contains nicotine.

I do not agree with banning E-cigs, but the general public does need to be aware that Nicotine itself is toxic, and yes, YOU CAN DIE from overdose.

Not what the OP was saying

They said "passive vapor", meaning the second-hand vapor. Nicotine carries its risks, nobody is arguing that nicotine is not toxic. But it has been proven time and time again that the weight of the nicotine, flavoring, and PG/VG in the liquid are consumed by the person vaping, and when exhaling, only water vapor comes out. There is a risk factor with vaping, but the risk with passive vapor is no greater than breathing in the air around you.

Source, ex-ecig skeptic, current ecig* user.

Thank you for clarifying

My mistake. I jumped the gun when I read "harmless" with "ecig". Not harmless to the user, but harmless to the those they are around.

So sad.

I hate this nimby state. I'm sure it has to do with lost tax revenue from people switching to vaping. I know a half dozen people who quit tobacco with ecigs, me included.

Ecigs are the biggest health breakthrough since antibiotics

By reducing harm of tobacco, Ecigs could save millions of lives. Only 4-6 percent of smokers will quit this year, shall we just let the other 90 odd percent smoke and die???

Here are some good interviews with physicians on E-cigs:

http://www.vapify.us/health.html

I absolutely agree!!

I've been a smoker for five years. 2 weeks ago I turned to vaping and don't see myself ever going back to smoking. I wish I hadn't put it off for so long. I waited for the recreational marijuana stores opened so I could start vaping marijuana as well. It's unbelievable how much better this is.

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito."

Just like cigarettes

those things are nasty, I don't want them around me at all. Good bill.

You are white trash if you smoke any cigarettes.

"You are white trash if you smoke any cigarettes."

What if you're not white?

Why must you play the part of a racist, judgmental twit? Leave that to the 'progressives'.

A signature used to be here!

Doesn't sound like you belong here

Sitting on your cloud of judgement telling others what to do with their lives, and encouraging government policy that will result in preventable deaths. That's not at all a libertarian position. Maybe you'd feel more at home at the dailykos with all the other little shrieking statist nazis.

Buh-bye!!

Nasty?

If by nasty you mean scentless, smokeless, and (if vaped organically) virtually carcinogen-free, then yes, they're disgusting.

You're just regular trash if you think you can legislate away people's freedom. F*** off, jackass.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
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Idk if I'd say harmless

One guy got most of his teeth blown out when one exploded while he was smoking it.

Failure Rate

on eCig batteries is virtually nonexistent. You have as much chance of your cell phone exploding in your pocket as you do an eCig. You also need to read BENEATH the headlines. The Florida man whose eCig exploded had modified the voltage and amp parameters to get more "throat hit". A common practice in the eCig world, but certainly not without dangers.

The stock product is 100% safe.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

So a product liability suit

So a product liability suit is the solution to this, not government regulation.

Time to cut to the chase and

Time to cut to the chase and ban hands.
Too many atrocities in history have been committed where the hand played a key role. Besides, you might end up hitting yourself anyways, why would you do that?

Southern Agrarian

Quit smoking tobacco altogether

and switch to cannabis. Healthier in the short and long term. Can't kill you. It IS a GATEWAY DRUG....but the gateway is only to more ideas, not more harsh drugs. ;)

I have a family member that developed IBS in their teens. They couldn't eat three meals a day any longer because they said their stomach hurt so bad from eating most foods.

Literally, 10 minutes after taking 2 puffs in 2009, my family member felt better, felt happier (obviously), and felt more hungry. It literally was night and day and it happened right in front of me.

Was their approach Scientific? No. Does cannabis work? Yes. In every sense of the word "work."

Just want to give a shout out to my 2 cannabis foes out there: PatriotsUnderGod (who, supposedly, is no longer with us) and The Baptist.

God Bless

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

eCigs

are NOT TOBACCO. It's a propylene or vegetable glycol blend with liquid nicotine. It has no carcinogens, no smoke, only vapor. Cancer-free nicotine delivery.

Look, I'm not saying that cannabis isn't far safer than cigarettes, but to compare eCigs to tobacco is asinine. I may or may not use both products, but I'll tell you one thing: The effects of cannabis and nicotine are FAR different, and the former is not for everyone. Please don't dissuade smokers from trying electronic cigarettes and vapor alternatives, because it's infinitely safer than what they're doing now. As a former smoker and a vaping convert, I can tell you this from personal experience.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

My apologies. What I should have said was

stop using Nicotine.

I understand Nicotine is harder to quit than heroin/meth, but what I don't understand is people thinking cannabis cannot help cigarette smokers. It can and does, and that's from personal experience.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Nicotine has been shown to protect the brain

During alcohol intake. It has also been shown to protect against degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's.

Don't judge others. Vapor nicotine intake can have positive effects, just as cannabis. Yes, nicotine is more toxic than THC, but if the LD50 dose is never approached with e-cigs, what's the big deal. Maybe people are addicted to nicotine because they like the way it makes them think, just like cannabis.

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito."

Who was judging?

I'm simply stating fact, Sir. When it comes to your health, Nicotine is more harmful than Cannabis.

I'm not familiar with the "LD50 dose," so I can't really comment on that .

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Pathetic

This is ridiculous!