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We have to hit the streets campaigning for Rand Paul 2016 NOW!

Im a little confused here.... we haven't started campaigning for Rand 2016 yet on the streets? why not?

we have to understand, the RNC is going to be a police state, the RNC will pick their own nominee, Rubio, and impose him on our state delegates in the local process, and then veto us from attending the RNC.

THIS MEANS WE HAVE TO SHOW THE USA RIGHT NOW WHO WE WANT... WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AN OBVIOUS ASSERTION THAT RAND HAS THE REPUBLICAN SLOT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BID IN 2016.



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the only one I see above Rand

the only one I see above Rand is Judge Napolitano. I'm happy with either.

start with highschools,kids will be voting in 2016

somehow reach them. start facebook groups. I've searched facebook groups and found little to nothing for IA, NH, SC or my homestate of IN. Reach out to them now. Most are anti establishment attitudes and just need to be taught liberty. Go to football and basketball games with t-shirt guns and pass out I Stand With Rand t-shirts into the crowd. Everyone loves a free shirt, and then have contact info on it. Start a meetup group and pass out liberty books and have them pass them around. Just a few ideas im trying hear soon.

Rand destroyed

Rand destroyed his chances of getting support from the liberty wing of the GOP by sucking-up to Israel. He cannot un-ring that bell, so he is now just another sell-out GOP strut-fart in my book.

Why do we have...

Why do we have to do that? Rand is an Israel lover and I hate Israel and could never support Rand in any way. So why do you think I have to hit the streets for Rand?

What have you done so far to lead the charge?

Instead of demanding we do this or that a better approach may be to show us and inspire us with what you've done so far and what you're planning on doing. I'm sure your leadership will inspire others to join you.

Pretty sure the next one has already been selected...

...we will be given a "choice", of course.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Attn: Anti-Rand People

Who will you be supporting in 2016?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I will support...

I will support a Republican or Libertarian, not Rand, the Israel lover.

Why do you ask?

Ron Paul or Andrew Napolitano if either runs.

I agree with some of what Rand Paul stands for, but he will have to go a long way to get me to the voting booth.

Okay - a hypothetical for you

Suppose Ron does not run, and Napolitano runs on the LP ticket, and in the GOP we have Rand, Rubio, Ryan, Christie, Jeb Bush, and Santorum.

You would vote for Napolitano in that scenario?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Yes

A vote for liberty is meaningful to my conscience, and that is more important than winning. If Rand wins, he has clearly stated that he will work to decrease some people's liberty. Who wants a President who believes some people's liberty is more important than others? As libertarians, supposedly we believe every person's liberty is uniquely important. A mixture of rose petals and poop still smells pretty bad.

Let me ask you a question: What if Rand runs, wins the nomination, and then LOOSES the general election? All that time we told Republicans that a "liberty candidate" could win the general election. They would always use the election loss as proof that we shouldn't run liberty candidates in the future. Yet that's a fallacy, because Rand ISN'T A LIBERTY CANDIDATE. Ron could've won the general election in 2012. Judge Nap could win the general election in 2016. Rand is more problematic, precisely because he "plays the game" and comes across to liberty oriented liberals and independents as an unprincipled Republican hack. Are you willing to take the risk of nominating Rand Paul, who arguably would be a weak candidate in the general election, have him lose, and then have the liberty movement forever shut out of the Republican party? As a purely practical matter, I am not willing to take that risk.

"my conscience...is more important than winning"

Then we do not have common goals.

My goal is to affect political changes in the country, which requires gaining political victories. My goal is not to soothe your conscience, nor my own.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

So you

So you disagree with Ron Paul's principled stance on the issues that endeared him to so many of us here? If that is the case, why do you hang-out here?

You would have a point if

Rand winning would "effect political changes" in a consistent direction of liberty. As that is not what would happen, your attempted point is meaningless.

Would you respond to my other points?

Such as "what good is winning if while in office you work to decrease some people's liberty?"

If you can answer that question to my satisfaction, I'll give you credit for actually thinking your position through.

No thanks

I'm done with this discussion.

I've had the epiphany that whoever still doesn't support Rand is not going to, or in any case isn't going to be persuaded to change their mind by anything I might say, so rather than tear my hair out, I'll just stop.

So...whatever. che sara sara

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It's because he's representing another country

and a racist/terrorist country, at that:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/rand-paul-embraces-israel/?cat_or...
Rand Paul embraces Israel
“Absolutely we stand with Israel. What I think we should do is announce to the world — and I think it is pretty well known — that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States.”
--

ya really wanna help Rand ? - Send him a napkin and a pair of knee-pads

IMO hitting the streets is a wate of time

If that's all you got, I guess go for it.. but there is so much more to be had here.. and those of us in the GOP owe a huge debt of gratitude to Ron Paul for getting us off the streets and into seats, chairs, and offices where we can make a difference unlike 08 and 12 where we were held hostage to loyalty oaths, cheating . lies.. it will be far more difficult for the neocons to do what they did to us when Ron Ran.

I really look forward to seeing what the GOP committees run by Ron /Rand Paul Republicans come up with. It's a very exciting time for us, and frankly, those who are not with us, are lost. Just read the posts below for proof.

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This is so true.

seriously why are we waiting for the talking heads to kick off the political arena? We should be flying blimps now!!!

in essence we are fighting for a message not a person

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

I'm in if Ron Paul runs again.

I will consider Rand ONLY because he stood up to BOZO in the house on drones and DUE PROCESS. He is the only one standing up for us, yes I will consider supporting him.

10,000 FRNs says rand will be

10,000 FRNs says rand will be at Bilderburg between now and 2015.

$100,000...

...that no candidate you vote for will ever win an election.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Sad but true

Sad but true

So why do you vote?

...I really don't understand this attitude. Why would you choose to vote for someone who YOU KNOW has no chance of winning, when you could vote for someone who could win and who would do some good, even if they're not your ideal? It's totally insane.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Rmoney supporter.....is that

Rmoney supporter.....is that you???

You're a fool

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

The fact that Rand

may do "some good" is irrelevant to the issue of voting for him if we acknowledge that he may also do "some bad" as well. The problem of accepting a good/bad mixture is that implicit in this acceptance is the idea that some people's liberty is more important than others. I will not vote for someone whose stated intentions are to decrease the liberty of even one person. Ron was a dream come true, someone who could win (as he would have done in 2016 were he 20 years younger), yet was unabashedly pro-liberty.

There's also the question of whether Rand could win the general election. Unlike his principled father, he does not excite liberty oriented liberals and independents, because he comes across as an unprincipled Republican hack. Honestly, you Randroids who marvel how well he "plays the game" forget that a "game" in which lying is necessary to participate has no winners.

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It's called a protest vote. Sometimes called freedom to choose.

We all have to do what we think is right, which is known as individualism.

And I am free...

...to cut off my own foot, but I don't do it, because it would be crazy. I am not questioning your right to vote for who you like, I'm questioning your logic. I question what value such a protest vote has if our goal is to advance liberty in this country - that is our goal right?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."