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We have to hit the streets campaigning for Rand Paul 2016 NOW!

Im a little confused here.... we haven't started campaigning for Rand 2016 yet on the streets? why not?

we have to understand, the RNC is going to be a police state, the RNC will pick their own nominee, Rubio, and impose him on our state delegates in the local process, and then veto us from attending the RNC.

THIS MEANS WE HAVE TO SHOW THE USA RIGHT NOW WHO WE WANT... WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AN OBVIOUS ASSERTION THAT RAND HAS THE REPUBLICAN SLOT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BID IN 2016.

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when you vote for the "lesser evil", what do you still get ?

Better to not vote at all than to vote for a sell-out (and thus be an active party to their crimes).

And re the practical aspect:
How has this approach worked so far ?
Where has it gotten us ? - Right here, that's where !
So if you want more of the same - if you want to be played for a fool and be endlessly disappointed, then just keep supporting the lesser evil.

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To all of you I've been debating with in this thread, I'm finished with this. You will hear no more debate from me about Rand. These discussions do nothing but undermine my faith in humanity. Out.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I am still waiting for

a liberty candidate to step up, and Rand Paul is not he. What good is getting elected (even if he could, which I doubt) if you have to sell your soul to obtain a victory? The fact that Rand would work to decrease the liberty of some people is reason enough for me not to support him. I know the Randroids on this site will downvote me, but so be it.

I don't get it?

I don't understand how you could possibly think there is enough faith in Rand Paul to start campaigning to elect him as President.

I think that most people on this site are quite knowledgeable about what's really going on in our government and most can pick up on some of their actions when they don't seem quite right. And I believe that at best, he would only receive the support from 50% of the people that tune into here. I think you are judging him way too early.

I believe with all my heart and sole that Ron Paul is the greatest patriot of my lifetime and by far was the best choice for President all three times that he ran for it.

Rand Paul's opinion apparently wasn't even close to that.

As it stands right now by me judging "ALL" of Rand's actions so far, I wouldn't give him the sweat off my balls to help his campaign.

What I don't understand is...

...how people could be so blind to the opportunity which a Rand Paul 2016 Presidential campaign offers to the liberty movement. We actually have a chance to win, for the first time in history, and people like yourself are going to stand aside and do nothing.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I do not have blinders on

I can assure you that I do not have blinders on. I will not support Rand Paul for the sole reason of what his last name is. He will have to prove himself just as his father had to prove himself to me.

He must have more respect for our Constitution. He must put this country's interests first. He needs to respect the lives of our military men and women. It is TOTALLY unacceptable for him to sacrifice their lives to fight for Israel if they are attacked for any reason.

These are just a few of many negatives that I see in Rand Paul. I'm not saying there aren't any positives but I am saying I don't like the ratio so far.

On another note, I am fighting each and every day for Liberty and the Liberty movement.

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I will not support Rand Paul for the sole reason of what his last name is.

No one is saying you should support Rand because his last name is Paul, we're saying you should support him because he's almost identical to Ron on all the issues, and has a dramatically better chance of winning than Ron ever had.

He will have to prove himself

He has already. Go to his website. Browse through and read the bills he's introduced as a Senator. Or listen to his speeches and interviews.

He must have more respect for our Constitution.

What specifically has he done or said which represents a lack of respect for the US Constitution?

He must put this country's interests first. He needs to respect the lives of our military men and women. It is TOTALLY unacceptable for him to sacrifice their lives to fight for Israel if they are attacked for any reason.

Rand has never proposed US military intervention in support of Israel. If you're saying he has, prove it. Show me the quote.

These are just a few of many negatives that I see in Rand Paul.

After you substantiate what you claimed above, list these other negatives please.

On another note, I am fighting each and every day for Liberty and the Liberty movement.

And simultaneously sabotaging its best chance for success.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Rand Paul's Quote

“Absolutely we stand with Israel. What I think we should do is announce to the world — and I think it is pretty well known — that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347151/rand-paul-and-i...

sorry to re-submit your quote

and well said, sir !

I've watched that interview before...

...and the statement doesn't sound to me like a commitment to send US troops to Israel. It's sounds like a reaffirmation of the obvious: that the US would not look kindly on an attack on Israel. To me, it means the same as statements like "Israel is our friend" or "Israel is an ally." That is, nothing.

Any answers to my other questions?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

What would we do?

How would we react if there was an attack on The United States by Iran? I'm guessing that we would have a counter attack on Iran.

Now judging on the part of Rand's quote that states "that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States", I would take it as if Iran attacked Israel, Rand would have a counter attack on Iran.

How can you take that any other way?

I for one would not want my Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Son, Daughter, Cousin, Friend, Stranger, or anyone else in our military to die fighting for another country such as Israel. What have they ever done for us besides try and sink The USS Liberty which killed and wounded many Americans?

I already gave you my opinion on Rand's comment.

I don't think it means a commitment to defend Israel militarily, I think it is a vague and meaningless statement of moral support. I might add, even it were a genuine pledge of military support, it will never come into play, as Israel will never be attacked. If Israel is involved on a war in the ME, it will be a war of Israel's choosing.

If you're trying to cut foreign aid, and generally advocate a less belligerent foreign policy, you CANNOT allow yourself to be painted as anti-Israel. Can you understand why Rand feels the need to speak about Israel in friendly terms, and take the ridiculous ritual trip to Jerusalem? Comon, you need to be able to read through the lines and separate the politically necessitated rhetoric from the substance of his positions. In the context of his entire career in the Senate, everything he's done, do you REALLY believe he's a neocon Zionist warmonger? ...sigh

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I'm waiting for the willingness to support him that way.

As it stands, even going to vote for him would be a big compromise for me. I do not think participating in rigged elections is a wise use of my time or money, and I do not wish my participation to be construed as consent. I understand Rand is trying very hard to win neocon voters, and I wish him luck if that is what he chooses to do. But he has not won my support, and I am not walking across the street to try to convince a neighbor to vote for someone I would not vote for myself.
If I am not mistaken, the consensus is that Rand does not need people like me who walked the streets, made the phone calls, waved the signs, became a delegate... He needs neocons with money. I do not have either of those attributes.
And about that lack of money... If I were all gung-ho about Rand, I would need him to announce his intention to run before I started campaigning for him. I think people get their fill of campaigning when there are declared candidates to discuss, to start hassling them about a man who has not declared himself a candidate looks a little fanatical. If he were to announce his run, not only would it be more likely that people would start to work for him, but people could save up money, or start contributing $5 a month, but anything to allow the small donations to add up would be advantageous in this economy.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

If I was going to show our nation who I wanted to be President.

I'd be campaigning for Ron.

Ron Paul 2016

And I'd be campaigning for Thomas Jefferson...

...but he's dead and Ron's not running.

So what's your plan B?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Ron Paul > Thomas Jefferson

Ron Paul > Thomas Jefferson

What year is it? Is the

What year is it?

Is the candidate pool closed?

Has the time limit for announcing candidacy been reached?

"Is the candidate pool closed." -- No

But I'm looking around, and I see no one who is as ideologically acceptable as Rand AND as electable. Do you see anyone who meets that description?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I am starting to really like

I am starting to really like Ted Cruz but I am not sure if he could be president since he was born in Canada and his father was not American. Is he a natural born citizen if only his mother was an american citizen?

good one

Point made.

If Ron Paul endorses him he has my vote.

Money Money Money

How much money Rand raises will determine the outcome. Having a "tireless irate minority" doing the grassroots legwork helps, but ultimately it won't be enough to score a win if Rand falls short in the fundraising department. So, if you want to help, start saving money. Rather than spending 3 hours handing out pamphlets, it would be better to spend 3 hours working overtime, and bank the money for future donations to the campaign.

P.S. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not discounting the value of grassroots organizing and campaigning. I guess my point is this: if you aren't sure what you could do in the way of activism, or how effective it would be (especially at this early stage), then spending that free time making and saving money would be an excellent alternative. And, if in a year or so you change your mind about Rand, or Rand doesn't run, well then you've still got a nice stash of cash to be used for whatever you please. Win win.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Dare I say

That I believe Rand Paul is more valuable in the Senate right now?

Forget 2016

Its about 2014. The Dems know this. The PTB also know it and know who is the next POTUS.

We need to focus on not allowing the House to fall into Dem hands next year. If Obama has both the houses, we are doomed!

WALKING PRECINCTS.

"Hitting the streets" should be WALKING ONES OWN PRECINCT.

The need to find and recruit PCs / County Central Committee members and to become one yourself has not gone away. It must be done to win.

Get a 10 question yes/no questionnaire to specifically identify Ron Paul Republicans in your precinct. Anyone who is a 9 or 10, you should be meeting with regularly and taking to your local or county GOP meetings LAST YEAR.

There is no time to waste. Hit the streets, indeed, in one's own PRECINCT!

Rand is considering...

but hasn't formally announced his intention to run for President in 2016 yet. From what I understand, he filed the paperwork to run for a second term in the US Senate already. Which leads me to ask- can he run for President and Senate simultaneously? If not, then he will be a one term senator if he doesn't get the GOP nomination. He may be better off not running for President until 2020, when he has his Senate seat secured. I'm sure that he knows exactly what he's doing and will make the best decision in terms of that.

Get educating

about the need for a traditional Catholic Monarchy!

paulhakel.info
loveGodwithallyourheart.com

"The world has never known more oppressive governments or bigger governments than those which profess the cult of liberty." - Donald Sanborn

Who is "we"?

As soon as Rand renounces his Neocon conversion to being an Israeli whore....

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

what *he* said !

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I would rather...

campaign for RON PAUL.

He hasn't even decided for

He hasn't even decided for sure if he is going to run yet. Lets keep spreading the message of liberty and it wouldn't hurt to start putting some money away to support our candidate whoever he turns out to be.