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Wow Huge explosion in Damascus

@LukeBozier just tweeted this, said it was huge explosion just now in Damascus. Haven't seen anything reported in media yet. Man this looks like a freaking mushroom cloud.

http://youtu.be/e84pVGsP6YU

2nd explosion

http://youtu.be/f_j8ID-m1pU

Update: Reuters reporting it was Israeli attack now as well
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-bl...

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They crossed Obamas red line

So Israel had to do our diry work

freedumb is not free!

yup, that seems to be the REAL 'difference' between

NWO's GOP-puppet led wars vs. NWO's Dem-puppet led wars: GWB & Dipshiite Cheney couldn't hide their 'a-holeness'; they inescapably wore it on their sleeves, so they attack openly, directly and illegally.

but, the oBUSHma's seems to be following Zbieggie's "Grand ChessBoard" strategy to a T: not that parties really matter, as we all know, but Dems, for whatever reasons, have always been 'better' at waging proxy wars than the GOP. Looks like they're definitely living up to their reputation, again.

Perhaps there is some anecdotal truth to the fact that while there always are professional political mercenaries everywhere, with statist dems, on the most part, it is their entire raison d'tre: State-craft IS their life & livelihood. with GOP, they definitely have more who actually worked in private sector before dipping into the Federal honeypot to garner more corporatist deals for themselves during their short stint in CONgress. That's why they almost 'suck more at lying' than Dems, who are always ever more measured in their professionally trained use of Fabian Socialist/Machiavellina rhetoric; the Dems truly are better at lying.

Guess apt comparison would be, GOP statist thugs are like John Wayne Gacy, vs. Dems as Ted Bundy. The rough-crassy 'killer-looking'..er killer, vs. the charming serial rapist/torturer/murderer Bundy.

Anyone here remember the Dems acquiescence to their Blue Dress staining Balkans Murderer-in-Chief? It's like "De javu, all over again" with oBUSHma's 'quiet'-not-so-condemned/scrutinized news'-'news' keeping 'anti-war' Dems pliant, like the statist sheep that they always were, as oBUSHma, like Clinton before him wages proxy warS and 'quiet wars,' still, ever so illegally.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Dirty

I meant dirty

freedumb is not free!

dont know if anyone has already answered this

but does anyone know exactly what kind of bomb that was? Was the bomb massive or was its target massive?

Word on the webs is it was an ammo dump

Don't know if its true.

They also claim they were missiles from Iran going to Hezbollah in Lebanon (or west bank/Gaza).

Personally I think its strange Assad would be doing any of that crap now since he has a bunch of terrorists in his country trying to over throw him. I would think his focus would be on his own civil war and not Isreal. Maybe he thinks isreal is arming the resistance? Maybe Isreal is helping the resistance by blowing up wapons destine to be used against them.

Don't understand Middle east politics

Sibel Edmonds warned this may happen;

in a recent interview on AJ show, based on all her understanding, she posited that, one plausible reason for Boston Marathon 'Gladio B' and its Chechen-CIA terror nexus, could be that there actually could have been a backdoor deal (a la Jupiter Missiles in Turkey pullout-Cuban Missile Crisis style) between US Hegemon and Comrade Putin to allow bombing of Syria, in exchange for trading up/easing up the CIA's traditional subterfuge in Caucasus via Georgia and Chechnya against the Russians.

Russia was actually the only real world-superpower buffer between an open US-backed war, vs. Syria. Now, unless the Ruskies publicly denounce it, in a particular way, it's probably a done deal. Of course, if Ruskies were to release a public condemnation, they could be feigning and covering up any backdoor deal, as to appear to be 'against' US-backed decision, or may not even mention US at all.

That way, via Israel, US doesn't have to say that they were directly involved, even though anyone with an iota of geopolitical acumen can tell that US warmachine was CLEARLY involved, and most likely directly okayed the IDF-AF murdering Syrians.

Why Syria, now? Economy sucks, and is imploding by design; aside from their usual 'to take your mind off of economy, we're gonna take you to war, again,' and oh yeah, former 'supreme' NATO commander during Clinton's Balkan Warcrimes, Gen. Wesley Clark's 7 countries revelation:


http://youtu.be/Ha1rEhovONU

So, there is NO F'ng WAY in HELL that IDF did NOT get an okay from oBUSHma Admin, before doing this.

ZERO.

I suspect, we'll find out more, soon, when it's too late, as always:

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Sibel Edmonds on Lew Rockwell Show, Apr. 30, 2013: Boston Bombing, CIA & the US Empire + Wayne Madsen

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:01

365. The Boston Bombing, the CIA, and the US Empire | Sibel Edmonds


http://youtu.be/ZpmRWYLeOTc

Lew Rockwell
Published on Apr 30, 2013

Sibel Edmonds tells Lew Rockwell what's really happening in Central Asian Caucasus.

Sibel Edmonds website: http://www.classifiedwoman.com/
Caucasus Map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus

365. The Boston Bombing, the CIA, and the US Empire

On April 30, 2013, In Podcast, By editor

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Sibel Edmonds talks to Lew Rockwell about what’s really happening in Central Asia and the Caucasus.

Sibel's Two Recent interviews on AJ Show and IFW Nightly News:

Sibel Edmonds: CIA Ran Tsarnaev Brothers


http://youtu.be/TbxFM9X6IC0

TheAlexJonesChannel
Published on Apr 26, 2013

Alex welcomes former FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds to explain the US roots of "Chechen" terrorism. http://justacitizen.com/

Terror by Design: "Gladio B" and The Boston Bombings


http://youtu.be/pDRZiGVLaJc

TheAlexJonesChannel
Published on Apr 30, 2013

Whistleblower, translator and expert in Chechnya, Turkey and the Caucuses, Sibel Edmonds, connects the CIA to the Boston Bombing. Is this blowback or terror by design? Edmonds examines connections between an Imam brought to the US by the CIA who subsequently became a multi-billionaire and founded over 350 radical mosques, Uncle Ruslan Tsarni and the CIA man in the Chechnya region for decades, Graham Fuller, father-in-law to Ruslan.

http://www.infowars.com/
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Sibel on James Corbett Report: False Flag Operation Gladio B Series

Sibel on James Corbett Report: Boston Bombings

Sibel Edmonds on the Boston Bombing: The US roots of "Chechen" terrorism


http://youtu.be/2RCN1w5J80E

CorbettReport
Published on Apr 23, 2013

SHOW NOTES AND MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7316

FBI whistleblower and BoilingFrogsPost.com editor Sibel Edmonds joins us to discuss the recent Boston bombing hysteria and the potential geopolitical implications of the American public's "discovery" of Chechen terror. We discuss Sibel's work exposing the US/NATO roots of so-called Chechen terrorism, and what the FSB's involvement in this twisted tale might mean in terms of future Russian-US relations.

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Related Interview: The Tsarnaevs, CIA, Georgia, Chechnya, Caucasus, Jamestown Foundation, USAID False Flag Terror Nexus

Wayne Madsen, Fmr. NSA: Alleged Boston Bombers' Uncle = Duke-grad Lawyer, Arthur Andersen & BigOil Ties; Possibly a Spook!

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Mon, 04/22/2013 - 19:08

Boston Bombing Suspects Were Gov't Assets


http://youtu.be/x4TChwWn93U

TheAlexJonesChannel
Published on Apr 22, 2013

On today's show, investigative journalist and author Wayne Madsen stops by to discuss the multiple red herrings in play in the wake of the botched Boston Marathon bombing operation. http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[Rogers said the FBI stopped tracking Tsarnaev after an unnamed foreign intelligence service failed to cooperate with the agency's investigation.

Members of Congress have criticized the FBI for not placing Tsarnaev on a terror watch list after it was allegedly discovered that he had embraced radical Islam. South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, an outspoken supporter of the war on terror, accused the FBI of failing to follow up on Tsarnaev.]

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-fumbles-as-it-tries-to-cover-up-...

Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s links to CIA operations in Caucasus

Wayne Madsen
wtfrly.com
April 30, 2013

Evidence is mounting that the accused dead Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a “radicalized” Muslim while participating in a covert CIA program, run through the Republic of Georgia, to destabilize Russia’s North Caucasus region. The ultimate goal of the CIA’s campaign was for the Muslim inhabitants of the region to declare independence from Moscow and tilt toward the U.S. Wahhabi Muslim-run governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

What does U.S. ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul know about Tamerlan Tsarneav’s activities in Russia’s North Caucasus?
Russia’s Izvestia is reporting that Tsarnaev attended seminars run by the Caucasus Fund of Georgia, a group affiliated with the neo-conservative think tank, the Jamestown Foundation, between January and July 2012. The U.S. media has been reporting that during this six month time frame Tsarnaev was being radicalized by Dagestan radical imam “Abu Dudzhan,” killed in a fight with Russian security last year. However, in documents leaked by the Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs’s Counterintelligence Department, Tsarnaev is pinpointed as being in Tbilisi taking part in “seminars” organized by the Caucasus Fund, founded during the Georgian-South Ossetian war of 2008, a war started when Georgian troops invaded the pro-Russian Republic of South Ossetia during the Beijing Olympics. Georgia was supported by the United States and Israel, including U.S. Special Forces advisers. The Georgian intelligence documents indicate Tsarnaev attended the Jamestown seminars in Tbilisi.

Tsarnaev also visited Dagestan in 2011. On December 16, 2011, WMR reported on the CIA’s and George Soros’s operations in Georgia that funded the Caucasus Fund, the Jamestown Foundation, and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) activities. It should also be noted that Tsarnaev’s Maryland-based uncle, Ruslan Tsarni (name changed from Tsarnaev) was also contracted to USAID.

UPDATE 1: The American Conservative Magazines - April 29, 2013, on Sibel Edmonds:

Our American Pravda
The major media overlooked Communist spies and Madoff’s fraud. What are they missing today?

By Ron Unz • April 29, 2013

In mid-March, the Wall Street Journal carried a long discussion of the origins of the Bretton Woods system, the international financial framework that governed the Western world for decades after World War II. A photo showed the two individuals who negotiated that agreement. Britain was represented by John Maynard Keynes, a towering economic figure of that era. America’s representative was Harry Dexter White, assistant secretary of the Treasury and long a central architect of American economic policy, given that his nominal superior, Secretary Henry Morgenthau Jr., was a gentleman farmer with no background in finance. White was also a Communist agent.

[...]

A couple of years went by, and various website references to that same woman—Sibel Edmonds—kept appearing, although I continued to ignore them, secure that the silence of all my newspapers proved her to be delusional. Then in early 2008, the London Sunday Times, one of the world’s leading newspapers, ran a long, three-part front-page series presenting her charges, which were soon republished in numerous other countries. Daniel Ellsberg described Edmonds’s revelations as “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers” and castigated the American media for completely ignoring a story that had reached the front pages of newspapers throughout the rest of the world. Such silence struck me as rather odd.

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA official who regularly writes for this magazine, suggested he investigate her charges. He found her highly credible, and his 3,000-word article in TAC presented some astonishing but very detailed claims.

Edmonds had been hired by the FBI to translate wiretapped conversations of a suspected foreign spy ring under surveillance, and she had been disturbed to discover that many of these hundreds of phone calls explicitly discussed the sale of nuclear-weapons secrets to foreign intelligence organizations, including those linked to international terrorism, as well as the placement of agents at key American military research facilities. Most remarkably, some of the individuals involved in these operations were high-ranking government officials; the staffs of several influential members of Congress were also implicated. On one occasion, a senior State Department figure was reportedly recorded making arrangements to pick up a bag containing a large cash bribe from one of his contacts. Very specific details of names, dates, dollar amounts, purchasers, and military secrets were provided.

The investigation had been going on for years with no apparent action, and Edmonds was alarmed to discover that a fellow translator quietly maintained a close relationship with one of the key FBI targets. When she raised these issues, she was personally threatened, and after appealing to her supervisors, eventually fired.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

how has she managed . . .

to stay alive, or do the PTB think that they are far enough along nobody can stop them now?

This is overwhelming to me. I come on DP for news, and it's going to take hours to work this through. I'll have to do it in tiny bites; I have to get my garden(s) in--

spouse and I share the reading; that helps--

and the gardening--!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Personally,

I believe there has always been this myth about the PTB, whomever they are or were, throughout epochs, that they are always in control over 'everything.'

Well, if so, they wouldn't 'need' to fully hijack the Country via Fed.Res.Act in 1913, when they already own all the wealth in the world. Or, still expend what seems like about 90% of their efforts, FRN's on propaganda and mass brainwashing via MSM, if they were and are 'always in control.'

They truly are like bodysnatchers: they WANT to control our Minds, controlling the body is a mere derivative act of a conquered mind.

They need us to police ourselves and each other, as they've always been but a few, and we the Free Humanity, many.

They NEED our active, willful compliance and acquiescence.

Just like how in EVERY single tyranny, at one point the despot was initially VOTED in, popularly; 'masters' in fact, NEED 'slaves' more than the slaves deluding they need masters.

Even in the American Slavery experience, the slave him/herself has to tell oneself that being under the thumbs of a master, being housed, fed, worked, told when/where/what to do/go/eat/sleep the regimented life (hm...awfully sounds similar to military and public indoctrinations centers) would be more preferable, than the prospect of going out and living his/her life on their own.

Slavery ALWAYS requires a WILLFUL compliance, be it subtle, or openly so.

It maybe cliche, but many of us so often forget just how powerful an individual spirit is, and can be. This is why it always bemused me when people in MSM or 'looking over the shoulder to see what will be a popularly accepted opinion'-sheeple who profess to NOT 'believe in conspiracy theories' mull the question, without any irony: "If you're so and so, then why HAVEN'T they killed you yet?"

Some answer, rather neurotic and narcissistically: "then, they'll prove me right and all of my work. and, will make a martyr of me."

Sure, I'm certain there are those people in the world, perhaps making a martyr out of them would not be favorable to the PTB.

But frankly I believe, after studying publicly available history, as much as one who is interested in these matters can 'indulge,' I've come to the conclusion that at the end of the day, the PTB mull and weigh things in more consequentialist fashion, within a specific issue, within the confines of a probable fallout, more than we give them credit for.

Sure, we ALL know that they don't blink at the prospect of murdering millions abroad. Domestically, it's always been a balancing act.

Just like any dictators of yore, there's a revolt scale among the slaves. Whatever that 'line in the sand' or 'Crossing the Rubicon' is, differ from culture to cultures.

The problem ALWAYS occurs when the PTB cross that proverbial 'line in the sand,' or 'force' the slaves' hands, too soon, PUBLICLY.

Thus, if the PTB were to quietly dispatch a few extremely well versed researchers, while well known among a specific demographic of those who financially and morally support him/her, it's a wholly different issue if that same target has an ACTIVE, driven cadre of 'fans' behind him/her.

Thus there is NO WAY in HELL they'd touch someone like Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul: there's are MILLIONS of fervent souls, who actually WOULD do 'something' about it, if that were to happen. Now, someone like Alex Jones, is a whole different level of headaches for them. He has activist fans. Period. That is a huge variable that in no way can the PTB ever control; they can run multiple wargames on variables, but human element has always been the constant variable in their equations.

Sure, some human behaviors are predictable depending on stimuli, within a particular range. But that's why the stimuli-predictable people are sheeple. The few are the variables that they cannot fully account for. Thus the 24/7/365 propaganda, to minimize the variable in no way can they control, as much as they can, IMO.

So, I'm of the mind that 'martyrdom' per-se is not their core concern, though it's a by-product result that they DO NOT want, if they can help it. Observing them, it seems it's a more broader sense of consequentialist/blowback calculation.

So if one were to develop a formula, an IVR, an 'Incalculable Variable Response'-index of sorts, say higher the number indicates higher unpredictability, say compare the three: Alex Jones, Sibel Edmonds, and Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

Sibel has DEEP intel sources, who know where all the dirty laundry are buried. I have no doubt she has an 'insurance' package. Her 'fans' by scale are much smaller than RP or AJ, but the damage done, if they move on her, may have uncontrollable ripple effects among those who may actually do 'something' about it. Obviously it's all speculation on my part. But I'd submit that if one were to apply an educated geopolitical guesstimate, that, would be the reason why they wouldn't move on her.

RP, has an open, vast movement inspired by him. 90% of which I'd assume (as presumptuous as that maybe, let us mull that for the sake of discussion) are purely intellectual and peaceful. The 10% is the real variable that they'd have no control over. Plus, let's not discount the age factor. Where the PTB stand, it'll be easier to spin that story as a 'natural cause.' But the reverberation variable will be more limited, the longer the PTB wait.

AJ, is a whole other animal.

His fan base, ARE activists. Period.

They are fervent. Period.

Can't put a percentage on it, but his base, are Millions worldwide who hold a very particular, and firm beliefs and understandings about the world. There is no two ways about it: they view the entire Ruling Class structure and their minions as scums, period.

Now, for the sake of discussion, the PTB views them as "crazy." Well, here's the thing about crazy: "smart people" are predictable, the "crazy" are not.

With that fact alone, if one were the deciding agent among the PTB, whom would you choose to move on first: the predictables, or the unpredictables?

Thus, I'd say that the 'Incalculable Variable Response'-index for AJ is in fact the highest, then RP, followed by SE.

It's obvious now, that they're accelerating their surveillance grid, and the coming inevitable currency collapse.

So as far as those specific 'gadfly' individuals of variable concerns, the PTB may just have no choice but to stick to their plans, and let the incalculable variables fall where they may.

Then again, I'm just guessing, and I could be completely wrong.o)

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

interesting--

I appreciate it.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

quite

welcome.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

...as of now..

...my neo-con friend says Fox is NOT on this story...

I told him "that's because it has to be spun YOUR way...surely anyone living in the war torn country has ZERO credibility..."

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Preemptive war has become the normal, so has tyranny.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482
'Israel rockets' hit Damascus military site
4 May 2013 Last updated at 21:40 ET

Syrian state TV says Israeli rockets have hit a military research centre on the outskirts of the capital Damascus.

Huge explosions have been heard in the Mount Qassioun area of the city. The research centre there was the target of a Israeli strike in January.

Earlier, Israeli officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that on Friday Israeli aircraft had attacked a shipment of missiles inside Syria.

The missiles were believed to be destined for Lebanon's Hezbollah.

Heavy explosions shook Damascus overnight.

I'm beginning to think that America only had the . . .

appearance or veneer of civility and justice for a few decades, while quietly and invisibly allowing the tyrants to gain power--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

How Many Innocents Must Die,

Before the the other world powers retaliate?

beesting

who, how many died?

retaliate for what?

Israel took out a threat.

You are a sick little pup

Israel is run by a gang of murderous thugs, and you cheer them on.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

(((((((((((fishy))))))))))) you murder me.

Who told you Israel was a gang of murderous thugs?

Did you go there and see this for yourself?

Did you see this on YouTube?

PBS?

Where did you get this idea you are so sure of dear fishy?

Do you think you are awake? Think you got the upper hand in what's really going down?

I'll pray for you in Church today because I love you even though you are hateful to me and say mean things,, if words were war,, you are murdering me.

Modern day Israel was formed by satanic occultists...

...if there is anything "good" that comes of it, it is by accident not design.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Are you saying

satan has more power than God? You are.

He does, and he (satan) has...

If only for a short time. But it is a short term victory.
Your Bible tells you that. I also suspect that you Bible tells you that you must always be on side with Israel, and that if you turn your back on the "Jews", you are turning your back on God. If this is so please read the following link and let me know what you think.
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/religion_cults/news....
Gods word is the most logical place for the Devil to play merry hell.

Catholics are Christian

but Christians are not catholics.

I have not read where my Bible tells me to not turn my back on the Jews. I wanted to throw a Sadar dinner for educational purposes and one preist told me absolutely NOT, Jews don't accept Jesus as the savior. And another preist was open to it, but wound up being too busy to talk about it again.

I found the link you gave me kinda creepy cultish.. and it may be true for some Christians, as there are to my understanding over 300 registered Christian denominations in the USA.. but it's not been my education (Catechism) or understanding (Church is interested in my soul, not my political opinions).

My Bible encourages me to go to Israel, to see the places they are talking about. And I would like to go because they speak English, have lots of culture, science, literature, arts and freedom.

To me Jill.. I see Israel working to become a nation state and independent and I see the UN and neoliberal and neocons entangling Israel in the name of support.

I don't want the USA to be entangled with Israel, but I would like to be able to trade and travel, and so I support Israel as an independent state.. and to me, that is why Israel is a friend to Ron and Rand.. Israel is not seeking to own the world, they are seeking to stop being subject to the hate of the world. We live in a world where up is down.. we are all being lied to constantly.

I believe the global powers regret creating Israel, because in their devious idea to purge their countries from Jews, they wound up creating a place where the most brilliant minds (of all races) in the world meet, debate and advance the human race more than anyone.. if Israel can design it, China can build it.. and that's why the USA remains entangled.. we're making ourselves irrelevant except as global police grunts.

Rabbit trail...

...but it seems odd to me that 'Christian' would be used to mean 'non-Catholic'. I see the Protestant denominations and the Roman and Greek Orthodoxies as various rooms with doors along the same Christian hallway.

I know there are people within each room that would beg to differ whether those within one or more of the other rooms are 'true' Christians, but it puzzles me why 'Christian' would be used to refer to non-Catholics. Why not just say Protestants, or Greek Orthodox, or whatever, if trying to discuss one of the particular rooms?

I agree with you, actually, Granger, on wanting Israel to be self-reliant, a friendly trading partner, etc. My only caution is too not be too quick to deem their foreign actions as innocent rather than the machinations of the globalist elite within their midst.

Ask a Christian if they are catholic and they say "NO".

Where as a Catholic.. someone asks me, "You Christian?" I say, "Yes!". I see all western religions doors alonf the Judea hallway.

I think most here, if they could open their minds a little from all the years of misinformation and programming would become enlightened about Israel so like Ron and Rand they can say "friend" and mean it.

It's very hard to find articles like this, and I think it's censorship http://www.danielpipes.org/5314/palestinians-who-prefer-israel

:) hmm...

...well, if I ask a Christian, who happens to be Catholic, if they are Catholic, they will say "yes", right?

I do not have a closed mind on Israel -- in fact, if anything, I have come from a background of being bombarded with Israel-can-do-no-wrong propaganda for most of my life; and I've just recently become more circumspect in differentiating between Israel the people/nation and whatever power structure is currently pulling the policy strings for the people.

I agree wholeheartedly that the US should be friends with Israel, without crossing into unwise entanglements and unhealthy dictation of policy from either direction. I would like the US to seek to be friends with all nations, seeking harmony through peaceful trade, in the policy tradition of Washington and Jefferson. Remember Dr. Paul in the Florida debate last year, pushing for a different perspective, of opening up trade with Cuba instead of shunning them through isolationism? He would be a friend with both Israel and Cuba if able, right?

What I do not like about folks such as Netanyahu is that they do not have or present this seeking of friendship with nations like Iran, in order to avoid war. They are too quick to draw red lines and beat the war drums -- their feet hasten to shed blood in order to achieve their agendas, without putting much real, genuine effort into averting the evils and horrors of lives lost and maimed. Why do I not see grief in Netanyahu's eyes over the prospect of decimating thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in Iran? Why do I just see the steely gaze of a war hawk?

answer to first question: yes

I don't think you have a closed mind.. inquiering is not being closed.. calling names and spewing insults is closed minded.

I just found an interesting artricle from the "Israel can do no wrong" cult: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israel-may-be-behind-Syrian...

Right. I completely agree with paragraph 3.

Netanyahu adopted the situation, and let's face it, he does not have an easy job.. The majority of Palestines would rather be Israeli... Egypt is not saying it;s going to allow bikinis on their beaches.. this is huge news.. this is from the Arab Spring.. so things are changing very quickly.

Wouldn't put it past...

...the elites to do something like that.

Dr. Paul would not have had an easy job either if he became President; but I think it would have been night and day if you contrasted the spirit of reconciliation and Love (i.e. the Golden Rule) that he would have exuded towards other nations and the bristly, warmongering stance of Netanyahu. There is a different spirit there with the latter, and I do not trust it.

Regarding the Arab Spring, google any of the countries where it has occurred, along with 'Christian persecution'. You'll see headlines about increased tensions and killings and worries over security at Easter, etc., etc. since the fall of the previous governments.

I agree Micha68

I don't believe Netanyahu has a easy job, and represents people who are so angry because.. and I saw this a number of years.. 2001? ago, Imagine being born and raised in a prison because you Mom was Jewish, and then you are deported to a place youve never been, Israel, where you have to fight for your life. All you've ever known is war. You know you are a good kind, generous, caring person.. you ask? Why me? And people you don't know tell you that you are the scum of the Earth for being Israeli.. they hate you.. it's hard to apply the golden rule because they never had one, eh?

I've been following the Islam/Arab Spring, and to me, the rebels are Arabs who appeciate western technology and have no probelm with Israel.. Assad in Syria has a problem with Israel because he's shia, a minority. The Al-Qaeda and Moussad don't need to be involved because the truth is.. the majority of Syrians want to advance with the human race, not be fored to bow to Allah, or be punished if they didn't..

I understand what you are saying Granger

and I respectfully disagree. Catholicism is a whole different ball game for me as I haven't been immersed in that religion, nor dabbled in it.
Being a Christian is a state of being, that has very little to do with Church or religion, as it is a personal relationship between you and God.
Israel should not become a Nation State, because it does not belong to the people who stole it. And steal it they did, from Arabs and Jews alike.
Jesus warned about building houses on shifting sand, and the State Israel has no solid foundation.

I respect that Jill

When I went to the CA GOP Spring Convention, the generousity of DP supporters afforded me the opportunity to attend the Christian Prayer breakfast. It was stated that it was for Catholics and Christians, but really it was Christian based, and being the last day, people headed out, other last minute events and meetings to attend, the energy was strange.. and the video, I don't remember it well, but I do remember going up to the man who was the leader of this event, and I told him, rebuked him really.. because I told him that the GOP let Catholics and Christians down very hard forcing Romney on them and that I don't find that acceptable, something to just fold into the tapestry.. and what is the point of a breakfast like this if we are not there to actually stand for Christ in the GOP and fight for what we believe. He agreed, and wanted to run away from me because I had the audacity to actually say something..

How these folks veiwed Israel was not the same as me.. or Ron or Rand Paul.. they want Israel entangled in the USA to materialize what they see as God's ultimate will of armegeddon.

I do not want Israel USA entangled. I want a good relationshop for trade and security, but no more funding or pre-emptive attacks.. if that is what Israel chooses to do, for example I believe this past exercize, where I have not heard of any deaths.. this mission is legitimate defense based on their intel, which is proving correct. It had NOTHING to do with the USA, and THIS, we should celecrate and support Israel and our's future for freedom from entanglements that are hurting us both.

I thinmk Israel has a solid foundation because in this world, to me, it is all illusion.. change is envitable.. everything passes, the Earth renews.. we all see the same and it's different perspective.. like the 6 blond men and the elephant.. SPIRIT is foundation.. not the material world,, the spirit, and Israel has a full deck.. Christians and Muslims would not exist if not for them.

The irony is how many Jews become outstanding Atheist, like Ayn Rand.. who I wonder, and don't believe she would oppose the NWO. Her heros were the 1%.

Unfortunatly the USA and Israel

are already uncomfortable bed fellows.
This is a catholic web site you maybe interested in having a look around. http://vaticproject.blogspot.co.nz/
Cheers.