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*problem solved* Need help please! Ideas for natural pain relievers and anti-inflammatories needed ASAP

***Edit*** I believe I solved the problem. The pain seems to have been coming from irritation of the delicate new gum tissue from rinsing with hydrogen peroxide in water. Thanks again for all of the wonderful advice and links.

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It just occurred to me that the best resource for answers to most problems is the Daily Paul. So I'm pleading with other members for help.

I recently had two wisdom teeth pulled along with #19 molar. I'm healing very well, but the pain from the #19 extraction comes and goes, but when it comes it's like being hit by a Mack truck.

Unfortunately all prescription and over the counter pain meds and ant--inflammatories ruin my stomach, so I've stopped taking them. for the few days that I was taking them, they were not terribly effective anyway.

I have a topical benzocaine gel, but its effectiveness seems to have fizzled.

So I'm appealing to other DP members to share your thoughts on any natural pain killers and anti-inflammatory substances that you may know of.

Thank you in advance.




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I want to thank everyone again for all of the great suggestions.

Check this out. On Friday I went to the oral surgeon for a follow up. I was complaining to her about pain. She said it might persist for two more weeks or so. I thought, oh great.

So I got home to find my order of Dew Drops from Dixie Botanicals had come in the mail. This was one of the many suggestions from DP members. I took the first dose as directed on the label, and I swear the pain was gone within 30 minutes and it has not come back. I have continued to take it as the instructions suggest.

Now this could be coincidence. Who knows. But whatever the case, I'm happy as toothless clam!

(ok, yes, I do still have almost all of my teeth and one can not see where this one was removed)

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I just had 2 wisdom teeth

I just had 2 wisdom teeth removed as well except one of mine was retarded and decided to be impacted horizontal and pushing against the roots of all my other teeth & destroyed the tooth in front of it as well as growing into my nerves long story short 3 teeth removed it was a horrible pain to endure. I have been using Anbesol with a Q-tip around the edges of the gum and Magnesium Gel on my jaw neck and cheeks to help reduce swelling and pain.If it's bad enough I take the 800mg ibuprofen the doctor prescribed for me once in awhile. Ice cream seems to help as well & Salt Water for rinsing mouth several times a day.

Magnesium Gel is the first anti-inflammatory I usually turn too.

ice cream cures everything.

If you don't believe me, just shut up I don't want to hear it.
;)

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Magnesium Gel

Sounds like something I need to get. Thanks.

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mmmmm. cherry pie!!

seriously. eat some daily(preferably fresh cherry pie) and you will notice ALOT LESS PAIN

(also ginger root works great for healing inflammation--tea or herb)

baking soda

baking soda and water. Make a solution by using 1 cup warm water and add 1/2 - 1 teas. baking soda. Make sure it dissolves and the water becomes clear again. This will make your mouth alkaline and it will promote healing. It will also kill bacteria because of the alkalinity. We recommend this to patients in our dental office all the time. Works great.

I am a dentist...

...and it's possible that you have/had a dry socket? This happens when the blood clot in the extraction site becomes dislodged exposing jaw bone. The pain is worse than the worst toothache and usually appears 48 hours after the extraction. It's more common in the lower jaw than in the upper. There is a paste that the dentist can put into the socket to alleviate the pain but I'm glad you are feeling better!! All extraction sites heal but some take longer than others... :))

Thanks. Maybe you can help me figure out what was happening.

It does seem tied to the hydrogen and peroxide in water rinse. Maybe I was making it too strong? Does the hydrogen peroxide dry out the delicate new tissue causing it to tighten up?

If you have not read it already, you may be interested in this book - 'Cure Tooth Decay' by Ramiel Nagel. I just got it a few days ago and it's really something. I am going to start a new thread about it. I think all DP members would do well to read this book.

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My opinion...

I don't think it was the hydrogen peroxide that caused you pain. I recommend patients bite down hard on gauze for up to two hours after extractions and not rinse out their mouths for up to 24 hours. It takes a day for the healing clot to stick. I then recommend patients rinse gently with a diluted salt water mixture for the following days. Salt water is very healing to the tissue. It's possible you rinsed out too early. Hope this helps! :)

The info sheet I was given

The info sheet I was given said not to rinse for 24 hours and I followed it.

With this tooth, the decay was deep. A lot of bone was removed and a bone graft put in for an implant in the future. Could all of that have something to do with the pain lasting longer? In comparison, I don't even notice where the two wisdom teeth were removed and there was very little swelling with those.

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Why was bone removed?

Was it previously missing due to pre existing periodontal disease? or sometimes the dentist has to section the tooth with a drill to get the broken-down tooth out which sounds plausible because there was extensive decay. if you had a bone graft right away then you probably didn't have a dry socket.

Sorry! I wish I could be more helpful! I feel like I'm failing you...but I wasn't there. :)

You're just fine. You and

You're just fine. You and all the others are helping and very informative. I appreciate all thoughts and info.

Like I said the decay was deep. I was shocked by the xray. The dentist said you need to get to the oral surgeon like yesterday. I think the bone graft is typical for installing an implant, but maybe they're padding their wallets with unnecessary additions to the operation? I have no idea.

I felt like I was beaten with a hammer. According to a buddy whose mom worked for an oral surgeon, I probably was...

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That may well have been the problem.

I use hydrogen peroxide to clean a fresh wound and then don't use it again just because it keeps new tissue from forming while killing off any bacteria. Could well have caused the new tissue in your mouth to dry out.

Could coconut oil or some

Could coconut oil or some other oil be beneficial in softening and protecting the new tissue?

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Yes.

It has antibacterial properties, too.
I would also recommend colloidal silver, I like "Sovereign Silver" brand. They use a different process that makes it more effective, and removes the "blue" risk (although that is mostly hype.) I've been hanging on to a tooth for a couple years after it cracked in half, using the silver.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

They have Sovereign Silver at

They have Sovereign Silver at IHerb. Bonus!

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Cool beans. Thanks. I was

Cool beans. Thanks.

I was doing oil pulling with coconut oil. No sure why I stopped. That always made my teeth feel great too. I shouldn't have stopped!

I have heard others say that Sovereign Silver was really good. I have some Mesosilver. It doesn't seem to do much as a moth rinse. Might need to try the SS.

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Thank you. I'll stop using

Thank you. I'll stop using it then and just stick with salt water. I'll be glad when this all gets tough enough that I can brush properly.

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Yup Doc

that is exactly what i thought when I read his post. I had to dry sockets form after wisdom extraction. It was not fun and I suffered for a few weeks.

My GD just had wisdom extracted and the pain meds made her sick to her stomach. Unfortunately the vomiting dislodged the clot that formed so a dry socket was the result.

Believe it or not a moist chamomile tea bag gave her the most relief.

It's fun to see what others have tried...

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Dental pain?

Clove oil. Definitely works.

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First stop for me, everytime is

Natural News. http://www.naturalnews.com
Just search natural pain killers/gums...and up it all comes.
Hope this helps.

Not sure if it was mentioned yet but.....

CHERRIES are the best natural anti-inflammatory medicines around. Not to sure about natural pain killers but I hope that helps. Good luck.

MJ?

Seriously, my wife sometimes has terrible back/muscle pains, and her stomach can not handle most painkillers, really strong stuff makes her feel bad in her head.

Needless to say, she is now a real life example for me how medical pot works wonders!

Not sure about dental pain though...

Paul B.

You might

want to try the Dixie dew drops from Dixie botanical. They are CBD. Hemp in a concentrated form so you get enough for pain relief no buzz.

If there's no buzz, why bother? *joke*

Seriously, this is the first I've heard of this. I will check it out. Thanks.

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here you go a checklist.

LET'S LEARN ABOUT CBD!

Let's look at some facts about the uses of Cannabidiol(CBD), and how it could affect Big Pharma.

Remember, Cannabidiol is a non-psychoactive cannabinoid and is the active ingredient in Dixie X medicinal hemp products from Dixie Elixirs & Edibles.

* Cannabidiol is an anti-spasmodic. (suppresses muscle spasms)

That means it could replace:

-hyoscyamine (Levsin SL or HyoMax SL or Levbid)
-atropine/hyoscyamine/phenobarbital/scopolamine (Donnatal)
-methscopolamine (Pamine)
-scopolamine (Scopace)
-chlordiazepoxide/clidinium (Librax)
-dicyclomine (Bentyl)

Common side effects of current anti-spasmodic drugs include Flatulence and bloating, Heartburn, Constipation, and Dry mouth.

Cannabidiol does not do those things.

* Cannabidiol is an antiepileptic. (treats seizures)

That means it could replace:
- phenytoin (Dilantin)
- valproic acid (Depakote)
- phenobarbital
- lamotrigine (Lamictal)
- carbamazepine (Tegretol)
- topiramate (Topamax)
- oxcarbazepine (Trileptal)
- zonisamide (Zonegran)
- gabapentin (Neurontin)
- levetiracetam (Keppra)
- pregabalin (Lyrica)
- clonazepam (Klonopin)
- lacosamide (Vimpat)
- rufinamide (Banzel)
- vigabatrin (Sabril)

A brief compilation of the side effects of most antiepileptic drugs are listed below. These are the most common and most worrisome, not a full list. Every seizure medicine can sometimes cause side effects of fatigue, dizziness, unsteadiness, blurry vision, stomach upset, headaches, and reduced resistance to colds, memory and thinking problems. Weight gain tends to occur with valproic acid (Depakote), gabapentin (Neurontin), pregabalin (Lyrica) and carbamazepine (Tegretol, Carbatrol). Weight loss tends to occur with topiramate (Topamax), zonisamide (Zonegran) and felbamate (Felbatol).

Cannabidiol does not do those things.

* Cannabidiol is an anti-inflammatory. (reduces inflammation)

That means it could replace:
-asprin
-ibuprofen
-diclofenac (Cambia, Cataflam, Voltaren)
-etodolac (Lodine)
-fenoprofen (Nalfon)
-flurbiprofen (Ansaid)
-naproxen (Anaprox, Naprosyn)
-oxaprozin (Daypro)

The widespread use of NSAIDs has meant that the adverse effects of these drugs have become increasingly prevalent. The two main adverse drug reactions (ADRs) associated with NSAIDs relate to the gastrointestinal (GI) and renal effects of NSAIDs.

These effects are dose-dependent, and in many cases severe enough to pose the risk of ulcer perforation, upper gastrointestinal bleeding, and death, limiting the use of NSAID therapy. An estimated 10-20% of NSAID patients experience dyspepsia, and NSAID-associated upper gastrointestinal adverse events are estimated to result in 103,000 hospitalizations and 16,500 deaths per year in the United States, and represent 43% of drug-related emergency visits. Many of these events are avoidable; a review of physician visits and prescriptions estimated that unnecessary prescriptions for NSAIDs were written in 42% of visits.

NSAIDs, like all drugs, may interact with other medications. For example, concurrent use of NSAIDs and quinolones may increase the risk of quinolones' adverse central nervous system effects, including seizure

Cannabidiol does not do those things.

* Cannabidiol is an anxiolytic. (reduces anxiety)

That means it could replace:
-Alprazolam (Xanax)
-Chlordiazepoxide (Librium)
-Clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril)
-Diazepam (Valium)
-Etizolam (Etilaam)
-Lorazepam (Ativan)
-Oxazepam (Serax)

The most common side-effects are related to their sedating and muscle-relaxing action. They include drowsiness, dizziness, and decreased alertness and concentration. Lack of coordination may result in falls and injuries, in particular, in the elderly. Another result is impairment of driving skills and increased likelihood of road traffic accidents. Decreased libido and erection problems are a common side effect. Depression and disinhibition may emerge. Hypotension and suppressed breathing may be encountered with intravenous use. Less common side effects include nausea and changes in appetite, blurred vision, confusion, euphoria, depersonalization and nightmares. Cases of liver toxicity have been described but are very rare.

Cannabidiol does not do those things.

* Cannabidiol is an anti-emetic. (reduces nausea)

That means it could replace:
-Dolasetron (Anzemet)
-Granisetron (Kytril, Sancuso)
-Ondansetron (Zofran)
-Tropisetron (Navoban)
-Palonosetron (Aloxi)
-Mirtazapine (Remeron)
-Domperidone
-Olanzapine
-Droperidol
-Alizapride
-Prochlorperazine
-Metoclopramide (Reglan)
-Cyclizine
-Diphenhydramine (Benadryl)
-Dimenhydrinate (Gravol, Dramamine)
-Doxylamine
-Meclozine (Bonine, Antivert)
-Hydroxyzine
-Lorazepam

These don't have all that much in the way of side effects.

So, Cannabidiol is looking pretty effective in a number of things, isn't it? All of what I posted above doesn't even talk about how:

* Cannabidiol has been shown to inhibit cancer cell growth.
* Cannabidiol is an immunomodulator and helps the immune system function more efficiently.
* Cannabidiol is a neuroprotectant and a powerful antioxidant.
* Cannabidiol is an anti-psychotic

CBD Informational Works Cited

Galal AM, Slade D, Gul W, El-Alfy, AT, Ferreira D, Elsohly, MA. Naturally Occuring and Related Synthetic Cannabinoids and their potential Therapeutic Applications. Recent Patents on CNS Drug Discovery. 2009; 4:112-136.

Gieringer, Dale, Rosenthal, Ed, Carter, Gregory T. Marijuana Medical Handbook. Oakland: Quick American, 2008.

Iversen, Leslie L. The Science of Marijuana. New York: Oxford University Press, 2008.

Mechoulam R, Hanus L. Cannabidiol: an overview of some chemical and pharmacological aspects. Part I: Pharmacol. 2002; 42 (11 Suppl):11S-19S

Mechoulam R, Shvo Y. Hashish. 1. Structure of Cannabidiol. Tetrahedron. 1963; 19(12): 2073-8.

Russo E, Guy GW. A tale of two cannabinoids: the therapeutic rationale for combining tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol. Med. Hypotheses. 2006;66(2): 234-46.

Zuardi AW. Cannabidiol: from an inactive cannabinoid to a drug with wide spectrum of action. Rev Bras Psiquiatr. 2008 Sept; 30(3):271-80.

Fantastic. I ordered some

Fantastic. I ordered some yesterday. Hey, you should consider starting a new thread just on this topic. Great stuff. Thanks.

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Acupuncture

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