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I Cannot Help But Re-Read The First Amendment To The Constitution

AMENDMENT I

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

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Again:

"... the right of the people peaceably TO ASSEMBLE, AND TO PETITION the government for a redress of grievances."

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/petition

petition, verb (used with object):

to beg for or request (something).
to address a formal petition to (a sovereign, a legislative body, etc).
to ask by petition for (something).

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My question:

are we going to assume and/or accept the idea that such a "formal petition" can EXCLUSIVELY be addressed by the means of using which is, BY NOW, ALREADY, an essentially USELESS and COMPLETELY BIASED governmental website?

Really, I mean: S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y ?!

That'd be THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT ?!

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Or couldn't we try to think and find a way TO MAKE IT MORE PUBLIC, MORE VISIBLE to NOT ONLY the American people, but ALSO FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO SEE?

Do you think the peoples of the world don't care about the original American idea?

Do you think the peoples of the world don't care about liberty any longer?

Do you think the peoples of the world HAVE TOTALLY CEASED looking up to you, America?

Looking up TO YOU, THE PEOPLE?

I am sorry, but I CANNOT BELIEVE that. For someone then has to come forward and PROVE TO ME that the peoples of the world despise and hate YOU, THE PEOPLE.

And we darn well know this just ISN'T THE CASE. When there is any hatred, it's against WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES.

NOT YOU. NOT US.

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So, indeed:

I don't know about you, but I do not trust ANYTHING, ANY RESOURCE, ANY LONGER, which is run by the U.S. government, let alone that which it manages for, supposedly, listening to, reckoning, acknowledging what the people WHO STILL CARE ABOUT THEIR AMERICA, THEIR ANCESTORS', have to say.

We OUGHT TO LET THE WORLD know what we think about this GROSS CARICATURE of "U.S. government".

A "government" which is NO LONGER about "The United States" and NO MORE about them than A CRIMINAL IS EVER CARING ABOUT being law abiding.

Peace.



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Patrick Henry--The Virginia Ratification Con. (Saw this coming--

200+ years ago) June 4 - 12, 1788

(The 5th & 6th paragraphs of the speech, ( for the rest:
www.patrickhenrycenter.com/Speeches.aspx )

"If you make the citizens of this country agree to become the subjects of one great consolidated empire of America; your Government will not have sufficient energy to keep them together. Such a government is incompatible with the genius of Republicanism; there will be no real checks, no real balances, your rope-dancing, chain-rattling ridiculous ideal. But, sir, 'we are not feared by foreigners, we do not make nations tremble'. Would this, sir, constitute happiness or secure liberty?? I trust, sir, that our political hemisphere will ever direct their operations to the security of these objects.

Consider our situation, Sir, go to the poor man and ask him what he does. He will inform you that he enjoys the fruits of his labor, under his own fig tree, with his wife and children around him, in peace and security. Go to every other member of society; you will find the same tranquil ease and content; you will find no alarms or disturbances. Why, then, tell us of danger to terrify us into an adoption of this new form of government? And yet, who knows the dangers that this new system may produce? They are out of the sight of the common people; they cannot foresee latent consequences. I dread the operation of it on the middle and lower classes; it is for them that I fear the adoption of this system........"

(Talk about fair warning!)

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Ah, but it comes down to two choices

We all know how congress works. If they get enough puppets in there, they can rule the process. This leaves us but one thing to do and two ways to accomplish it.

Looking at 'how' they get their minions elected, we need look no further than money. Money buys complicity from the media, from industries, from lobbyists and ultimately from legislators. Method one is to stop this process. We either have to get it outlawed (near impossible without controlling the process in the first place) or we have to take the money away from those that would use it badly. I vote for the latter, even though it takes longer because it actually helps us level out the equality issue along the way.

The other option is to gather enough popular awareness to fight back the media machine and campaign rhetoric allowing us to get real, liberty minded people elected. For this, we need a resource for people to be able to trust as finding the truth in both fact and popular opinion. Without such a resource to go to, the public will never know how much propaganda they are being fed.

So, in short, we keep moving more local to starve the banks and multi-nationals and we coordinate the multitudes of truth snippets out there into a trusted info resource. Piece of cake. I'm going on break for a few minutes; I'll check on the progress when I get back. lol

Ah, the holy constitution

that got us into this mess.

Preamble "...promote the general Welfare..." Which has created the entitlement state. Not to mention that the definition of "welfare" can be ever extended to cover more and more.

Section 8 "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts..." Government should not be allowed to go into debt.

"To borrow money on the credit of the United States;" Which has obviously put us into so much debt.

"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts..." Government should not be promoting any business or industry in a free market society.

"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia..." Hmmmm, so congress should control militias? Kinda throws a monkey wrench into the 2nd amendment.

Looks like congress is following the constitution after all.

Just not the Bill of RIghts....

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"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

And James Madison warned what

And James Madison warned what would happen if those words remained. Do a search on the Cod Fishery Bill from February 3, 1792, House of Representatives. That is one place that I found where the "general welfare" clause of the preamble is actually talked about.

"It is to be recollected that the terms "common defence and general welfare," as here used, are not novel terms, first introduced into this Constitution. They are terms familiar in their construction, and well known to the people of America. They are repeatedly found in the old Articles of Confederation, where, although they are susceptible of as great a latitude as can be given them by the context here, it was never supposed or pretended that they conveyed any such power as is now assigned to them. On the contrary, it was always considered clear and certain that the old Congress was limited to the enumerated powers, and that the enumeration limited and explained the general terms. I ask the gentlemen themselves, whether it was ever supposed or suspected that the old Congress could give away the money of the states to bounties to encourage agriculture, or for any other purpose they pleased. If such a power had been possessed by that body, it would have been much less impotent, or have borne a very different character from that universally ascribed to it.

The novel idea now annexed to those terms, and never before entertained by the friends or enemies of the government, will have a further consequence, which cannot have been taken into the view of the gentlemen. Their construction would not only give Congress the complete legislative power I have stated, -- it would do more; it would supersede all the restrictions understood at present to lie, in their power with respect to a judiciary. It would put it in the power of Congress to establish courts throughout the United States, with cognizance of suits between citizen and citizen, and in all cases whatsoever.

This, sir, seems to be demonstrable; for if the clause in question really authorizes Congress to do whatever they think fit, provided it be for the general welfare, of which they are to judge, and money can be applied to it, Congress must have power to create and support a judiciary establishment, with a jurisdiction extending to all cases favorable, in their opinion, to the general welfare, in the same manner as they have power to pass laws, and apply money providing in any other way for the general welfare. I shall be reminded, perhaps, that, according to the terms of the Constitution, the judicial power is to extend to certain cases only, not to all cases. But this circumstance can have no effect in the argument, it being presupposed by the gentlemen, that the specification of certain objects does not limit the import of the general terms. Taking these terms as an abstract and indefinite grant of power, they comprise all the objectsof legislative regulations -- as well such as fall under the judiciary article in the Constitution as those falling immediately under the legislative article; and if the partial enumeration of objects in the legislative article does not, as these gentlemen contend, limit the general power, neither will it be limited by the partial enumeration of objects in the judiciary article.

{429} There are consequences, sir, still more extensive, which, as they follow dearly from the doctrine combated, must either be admitted, or the doctrine must be given up. If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their Own hands; they may a point teachers in every state, county, and parish, and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision for the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress; for every object I have mentioned would admit of the application of money, and might be called, if Congress pleased, provisions for the general welfare................In short, sir, without going farther into the subject. Which I should not have here touched at all but for the reasons already mentioned, I venture to declare it as my opinion, that, were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America;................." - James Madison.

They don't want Americans learning about history or it is rejected so the corrupt can do what they want.

Patrick Henry @ Virginia Convention foresaw the whole shebang

see my post above.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

eminent domain

Don't forget the 5th Amendment which empowers government to steal your property:

...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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Well spotted,

Well spotted, as "just compensation" can certainly be conveniently redefined in something else than "decided by justice".

But guess what.

These days, even the 2nd Amendment and the 1st are at stakes... As the traitors are redefining "freedom" into "safety" and ignoring words such as "... not be infringed".

So, per this angle, every single line of the constitution is imperfect, when the language is manipulated as well for the feeble and gullible, ignorant mind.

I don't blame the people alone.

I refuse to blame a sound text, become imperfect when the language is poisoned, as well.

I'd like someone to point out to me any other country with a growth similar to the U.S. up until the 1910s with as simple a founding text, and yes DESPITE the presence of the 14th Amendment already back then.

There is none. Nada. Aucun. Que dalle.

I've read quite a bit to find traces of anything similar in History. I'm still looking. Even Greece or Rome: it took them centuries to start growing faster than in their beginnings.

It never happened in History, not within a century anyway (1776-1900), as far as the western world with latino, indo-european languages is concerned.

So, one simple text much imperfect? Much flawed, waiting for disaster? Unsure.

But imperfect man, in all times: no doubts about it.

Especially in modern times, observably, despite science and technology.

Or what did I miss?

It took 30+ years for Ron Paul to be noticed in the age of TV and comm. satellites. This tells a lot to me how disabled the people have been forced into, morally and intellectually.

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Congress following a text, even imperfect?

Congress following a text, even imperfect?

Not even close:

see the section 10 on the only 2 forms of legal tender.

Congress could repeal the Federal Reserve Act tomorrow if they wanted to. But they don't. Either because they don't even know what sound money is, or they do and it's of no interest for their current ways to get perks and be reelected.

See the "contract" which vanished progressively from the very printed IOUs, eventually:

http://youtu.be/NZO9Io3PSmk

The ink doesn't have legs to run away by itself.

Elected men allowed that to happen. The blurb printed to be changed. Several times, in the same century. Looks like a carefully inconspicuous way to proceed, slowly but surely. Doesn't it?

In all honesty, I think we can't blame Congress alone or the imperfect text alone. I agree with Ron Paul that the people bears some responsibility, too.

1) We can only hope to get what we really pay for. Like the forefathers did.

2) We always lose what we neglect for too long. Like what Wilson, Nixon, and others managed to get away with.

My understanding anyway.

I see 2) applies equally to general principles and texts, laws, elected men, and those who elect the latter.

And it certainly isn't just a phenomenon in the U.S.

It's just it is happening the most spectacularly in what once was the freest and most prosperous country.

The scale effect.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I can't argue against anything you just said.

Not only is the document flawed but we have allowed politicians to pick and choose what parts they want to enforce, expand, ignore or trample.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

Well, we can start by

electing defenders of liberty, rather than big spenders and compulsive liars. What's so stupid is that I'm pretty sure we are the majority. Most people do not want to give up their rights. Not when you really ask them in the right way. We could change all of this with the next congress if we really wanted to. Sad, sad, sad.

Its the unwritten law of BUT...

You have freedom of speech, BUT... You have the right to bear arms, BUT... You are free, BUT... Well yeah its the constitution, BUT.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

And it has been that way since Lincoln, at least.

(Lincoln was one of the most blatant statists that ever held the office of the president.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

An Affadavit of no confidence in government's borrowing.

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Free includes debt-free!