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Are the LDS going to shut down Canneries and Orchards?

Mod note: Original article is gone. Here's a new link to the corrected story

(Thanks dabooda)

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of course they will. Control

of course they will. Control the food and you control the population. If people are self sufficient they will not do as they are told by Government.

Response from a Mormon friend...

I passed-along the article and comments from the OP to a Mormon friend by email...here is his response back to me:

"I went to the church website to see what the church official statement is. Not much is really changing. And one important thing about the article is the church is never worried about the cost of things. The church has plenty of money to do the things it finds important.
All food will still be available in all locations just some of it will be packaged prior to getting to the facility."

I hope this clears things up a bit for you, DP family.

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

well...

as a member, i would definitely not say the Church is not worried about the cost of things.

the Church is very practical and wise and so of course we think about the cost of things. he is right in the sense that if something is our mission we don't let the cost stand in the way of doing it.

but being fiscally responsible is one of the core beliefs and practices of our Church and one of the basic teachings we have for members to practice in our own lives.

we believe in not getting into debt, if you are, get out, and save as much money as you can for the future. that is why the Church is totally self-sufficient and the members are encouraged to be, though that's an individual thing that some of us are still learning- me, included. :)

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Here another article

on it as Hawk's link seems to be dead. I guess they pulled their story.

Hawk, if you can somehow copy and paste from this site and edit your post, I'll be happy to frontpage it. I think it is important info for those who store food for emergencies.

http://198.58.100.27/breaking-news-lds-canneries-halt-canning/

That link's dead too

The author evidently took it down to correct a major error; LDS will be shutting down canneries EAST of the Mississipi, not West. Here's a new link to the corrected story

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Thanks

dabooda. I can't seem to copy and paste from that site. IDK why. The link I provided earlier was to the same site but must have been the "stupid hour" version that said "West" of the Mississippi....;)

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Like Ghandi's spinning wheel today's home garden

is a wonderful non-violent civil disobedience. Everyone should plant something, even if it is just herbs in your windowsill which you use in cooking. Use open pollinated seeds, save them and share! Take back our food supply! Are you doing it?

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

Little Women

I always think of Meg, in "Little Women," when I think of canning. It's quite a process.

It was also very important for our ancestors' survival. I seem to recall it in the "Little House" books, as well.

It's important to keep these skills alive.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

January forth

New food laws came into effect on home food production.

http://www.foodsafety.gov/blog/fsma.html

Being LDS is a non-profy, depending on their local laws, for example where I live, all non-profits have 12 times they can vend foods for fundraising.

The thirteenth time in a year, you must have a certified kitchen, and this included THE HOME.. the certification isn't expensive.. it's the labeling.. here,, ONE lable cost about $700.00, and any additional lable $25 - $75. The puts many home cooks out of business, and definately not worth it.

I took a class on this last month offered by the local EPA, class cost me $25.00. I was thinking about it.. but have decided for myself, it's atually cheaper to just go all out, get a professional operators license and rent a commercial kitchen space.

I want to add.. IF you can find a commecial space to rent.. you still have to come up with labeling costs.. you just don't have to turn your home into a federal approved kitchen.

canning

canning was free for those who wanted to do it. it wasn't for fund raising.

and the food in the bishop's storehouse for those who need food is also free.

That's not how the IRS sees it

I volunteer at a soup kitchen where by law it has to be certified (costs money) to serve free meals to the homelss. The food we take is accounted for, even from the food bank, by weight.. so there is a value put on this.. as there would be a value put on the food being canned.

Please don't get me wrong, I understand the law and I follow the law, though I don't agree that I have to pay for certificates and licenses and insurance and healthcare to get a job that affords to put me in debt.

As a volunteer feeding many people everyweek, I KNOW how hard it is for many people who depend on charity.. government is making this very difficult.. as a Catholic, I absolutely feel my Church is under attack, with Obamacare forcing abartion and birthcontrol on Catholic hospitals, ending religion in schools attacking schools in areas,, LDS are not alone in losing somethings that really mean alot to us on more than a material level.

I'm sorry for us all, and Pray we can all help each other find our way to do better..

Mormons need to claim "Freedom of Religion"

I don't claim to know a lot about Mormons but I do know they are amazing preppers.

I do know it's part of their religion to have a years storage of food. How they can it is their business. It should not be regulated. They need to claim freedom of religion to prepare their food how they like within the church.

I think they could fight this if they understood this concept.

It might apply to the 'leadership'

But not necessarily to the average Mormon. Just look what is happening to the Christian bookseller Tyndale House and the Green Family who 'own' Mardel Christian Stores and Hobby Lobby.

www.dailypaul.com/268912/hobby-lobby-mardel-christian-book-s...

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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umm... i think we understand the concept. haha!!

our Church is wise in participating with the gov't as much as possible to keep doors open and to allow us to freely exersize our religion.

sometimes, for our purposes, it is better to get along to go along.

for example, polygamy. instead of fighting the government and essentially going to war over this topic, the church decided it was better to just follow the laws of the land, so we could fulfill our most important purposes. had we not made that choice, the church would have been eradicated in the 1800s. now we are almost 15,000,000 strong and our materials are printed in 177 languages.

That happened over a period of 183 years.

oops

i meant go along to get along. :)

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I thought getting rid of polygamy was a condition to get

statehood, and that's why they did it.

Debbie

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Retaliation on that Mormon Punk who dared to run against the Monsanto Approved Peace Prize President.

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Romney got as much money from Monsanto as . . .

romney

he happens to be LDS. do NOT confuse him with the Church. :)

Um--

I don't.

I never have--

One of the things I have hoped to be 'noted for' on here is separating out individuals from groups.

That goes for Jews, Mormons, Muslims, etc., etc., etc.--

Not all Evangelical Christians are Zionists who follow Schofield.

Not all Jews believe modern-day Israel was founded by God.

Not all Muslims subscribe to any form of violence or extremism.

And . . .

Not all Mormons are Mitt (or wanted Mitt). Thank heavens for that!!!

*wink*

You're preaching to the choir. Save your words for someone who discriminates against religionists.

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Dont worry 1988, you are very noted and appreciated :D

Don't mind erin she means well, just seems to be a little zealous as I've seen her bump up quite a few Mormon related threads lately. Not to discourage her from speaking her mind but I would suggest she turn down the defensiveness a notch or two. This is a very welcoming and tolerant community, thanks in large part to your efforts, 1988, in keeping the peace and not allowing certain segments of it to paint other segments of it with a broad negative brush, well at least without you saying something about it and sticking up for them. I've been meaning to say thank you for that for awhile now. Thanks!

We all have different beliefs but the beauty of our movement and fight for liberty is that we've been able to transcend our differences. We've come together to defend each other's rights. To believe how we want to believe and to live how we want to live as long as it does not harm or infringe on anyone else's rights. By defending each others rights we defend and ensure our own and I believe you 1988 are a vibrant example of that. Please continue to lead by it.

thank you--

very much.

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Aquaponics

Feed yourself.
Mormons are NOT going to go along with that kind of crap quietly.

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Article in the Desert news seems to contradict this

"Contrary to a published report, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not closing its food production canneries and is not limiting the variety of goods that are available to church members for consumption and storage."
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865579566/LDS-home-storag...

Original Link Not Found

The original story above is gone--maybe they pulled it because it wasn't true.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Could be simply because of

Could be simply because of cost to run the facilities; thanks to the current economic depression (call it what it is).

I think this is true--

most people, even religious groups, are feeling the economic pinch--

I think the concern is the cost of keeping things at the level of being FDA-approved, etc.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Still sounds like changes are being made

"Over time, we will be reducing the number of facilities where the packaging of dry goods occurs," Even then, she added, the church's "home storage centers will offer the same or additional commodities in pre-packaged form, at no additional cost."

"The church is not closing canneries and is not limiting the variety of goods available to church members," she said. The only thing being reduced over time is the number of locations at which members can purchase bulk foods and can them themselves.

Whether due to increasing regulations or a simple adjustment of church canning procedures and facilities, I don't know. I suspect the former is driving the latter... day... saints... sigh, I'll show myself out.

:)

cute. haha!